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    1. Junior Member darrelld's Avatar
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      06-19-2012 08:40 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by tonymey View Post
      How true, the noise intruding into this car is ridicules to say the least. Other tires may help but I too believe the car is in need of much sound insulation/refinement.
      There are many things I like about this car but the high noise level and the seating position are two things that will insure this car has a short stay in my garage.
      I usually evaluate things like road noise, ride quality, acceleration, seating comfort, fuel economy, and handling with extensive test drives before I decide to purchase.

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      06-19-2012 09:36 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by darrelld View Post
      I usually evaluate things like road noise, ride quality, acceleration, seating comfort, fuel economy, and handling with extensive test drives before I decide to purchase.
      Good for you Darrell, but maybe I miss something in my less than extensive test drive, The worst in the car didn't come out untill I picked it up and drove it for a while. This does not change the fact that this car is LOUD....

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    3. 06-19-2012 10:15 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by tonymey View Post
      Good for you Darrell, but maybe I miss something in my less than extensive test drive, The worst in the car didn't come out untill I picked it up and drove it for a while. This does not change the fact that this car is LOUD....


      I too didnt notice my road noise until I was on my way home after the purchase but the real eye opener was when I took my car in for service and got an base model jetta for a loaner, WOW what a difference the Jetta was wayyyy quiter then the Passat. Its pretty deflating knowing that my car is a step backwards over the jetta in terms of road noise and interior quiteness......pretty sad!

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      06-19-2012 11:53 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by tonymey View Post
      Good for you Darrell, but maybe I miss something in my less than extensive test drive, The worst in the car didn't come out untill I picked it up and drove it for a while. This does not change the fact that this car is LOUD....

      My comment was not meant to be disrespectful.

      The type of road surface makes a huge difference. If your test drive was mainly asphalt roads then the interior is quiet, drive on concrete and those Hankook tires I had from the factory howl like a dying cow in a hailstorm.

      I probably did 5 test drives to determine the cause of the noise and it was an issue for me until I drove the different road surfaces and knew the noise was tire related in my case.

      Swapped the Hankooks for Michelin Primacy MXM4's and the interior noise reduced substantially. Less interior noise now than my previous Lexus IS350.
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      06-19-2012 11:54 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by B7Passat View Post
      I too didnt notice my road noise until I was on my way home after the purchase but the real eye opener was when I took my car in for service and got an base model jetta for a loaner, WOW what a difference the Jetta was wayyyy quiter then the Passat. Its pretty deflating knowing that my car is a step backwards over the jetta in terms of road noise and interior quiteness......pretty sad!
      I own a MK5 Jetta and it has much more road noise than my Passat.

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      06-19-2012 12:17 PM #31
      I may have to trade my B6 V6 for my new B7 TDI Premium when it arrives in August (if I don't sell it first). If the B7 has the Hankook tires on it, would it be a good idea to move the Michelin Primacy MXV4's from the B6 (with about 10k miles on them) to the B7? I would rather not pay money to replace the B7 tires with a new set.

      I have not seen any 2013 B7s but if they arrive with Conti's, I will be pleased.

    7. 06-19-2012 03:46 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by darrelld View Post
      I own a MK5 Jetta and it has much more road noise than my Passat.

      Sorry should have clarified.....2011 jetta base model.

      Yes the older models are noisy and do have there fair share of squeeks and creeks. Had one and didnt like it one bit!
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      06-19-2012 04:19 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by MUG318 View Post
      I may have to trade my B6 V6 for my new B7 TDI Premium when it arrives in August (if I don't sell it first). If the B7 has the Hankook tires on it, would it be a good idea to move the Michelin Primacy MXV4's from the B6 (with about 10k miles on them) to the B7? I would rather not pay money to replace the B7 tires with a new set.

      I have not seen any 2013 B7s but if they arrive with Conti's, I will be pleased.
      You shouldn't need to have to swap your own tires. My dealer took Conti's off another car on the lot and put on mine before I signed the paperwork because it had the Hankooks and I was aware of their shortcoming. No need to negotiate.....simple thing for the dealer to do. I'm starting to think you guys with the road and wind noise issues got shortchanged because every review thats been done on the car that I have seen, Edmunds, Motor Trend, etc, remarks about the refined ride this car has......no mention of road or wind noise in these reviews. Could it possibly be some kind of insulation was left out on your particular builds? Does the dealer admit yours is so much noisier than the models he has on the lot? If so, would lemon laws in your state be an option? I drove three different cars on the lot before I bought mine and all rode and sounded the same.....no wind or excessive road noise. The car has gotten rave reviews for it's ride.....there must be something wrong/missing with your particular cars that should be covered by some sort of protection/legal recourse.....I would think. Last I knew, VW had district reps who dealt with unusual problems.......anyone had one of these guys evaluate your vehicle?
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    9. 06-19-2012 09:10 PM #34
      I have a lot of wind noise in mine, particularly bad on the driver's side. I purchased mine back in October, so there were very little reviews and even less that made mention of noises. I did go for a test drive in another b7 which was about 4-5 months newer than mine which had the exact same wind problem. I've called VW Canada and they were next to useless about the problem. The dealer can't see anything that is glaringly wrong, and considering another b7 was just like mine I can see how they chalk it up to the engineering of the car.

      I'm to the point where I will soon pull the trigger on some heavier weather stripping and install it myself.

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      06-20-2012 12:53 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by gphin305 View Post
      You shouldn't need to have to swap your own tires. My dealer took Conti's off another car on the lot and put on mine before I signed the paperwork because it had the Hankooks and I was aware of their shortcoming. No need to negotiate.....simple thing for the dealer to do. ...
      I forgot about the ole switcheroo. I did that once many many years ago. But at this stage of the game, I have not seen anything other than Hankooks on the cars on their lot. Maybe in August things will change.

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      07-25-2012 09:34 PM #36
      Well, I have just conducted a very un-scientific study on the cabin noise levels in the Passat. I downloaded a cool free decibel reader app on my Ipad. I compared the decibel readings from my Passat and my Civic at 40, 50, 60, and 70 mph and here are the results.

      MPH Passat Civic
      40 68db 72db
      50 70db 78db
      60 71db 74db
      70 73db 78db

      peak db 86 95

      My only explaniation of why the civic went down at 60mph is that at 50mph there seemed to be a lot of road noise, then at 60 it quieted down and then the wind noise took over at 70.

      Both cars were taken on the same route with the same speeds in the same part of the road.
      The peak decibel reading were on a rough surface of the road.

      The Passat has the continental tires.

      Conclusion, The Passat with the continental tires is very quiet and as the speed increases the elevated noise levels come from wind noise and still remains relatively quiet. The Honda is a soup can on wheels. lol
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      07-26-2012 12:35 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbrvr6 View Post
      Well, I have just conducted a very un-scientific study on the cabin noise levels in the Passat. I downloaded a cool free decibel reader app on my Ipad. I compared the decibel readings from my Passat and my Civic at 40, 50, 60, and 70 mph and here are the results.

      MPH Passat Civic
      40 68db 72db
      50 70db 78db
      60 71db 74db
      70 73db 78db

      peak db 86 95

      My only explaniation of why the civic went down at 60mph is that at 50mph there seemed to be a lot of road noise, then at 60 it quieted down and then the wind noise took over at 70.

      Both cars were taken on the same route with the same speeds in the same part of the road.
      The peak decibel reading were on a rough surface of the road.

      The Passat has the continental tires.

      Conclusion, The Passat with the continental tires is very quiet and as the speed increases the elevated noise levels come from wind noise and still remains relatively quiet. The Honda is a soup can on wheels. lol
      It's about time... This is a lot more scientific than what has previously been presented like "It's a lot more noisy than my GMC dualie." I was wondering when someone with a smartphone, or tablet would do this. Now if someone could do the same with a Passat with the infamous Hankook tires we'd be getting somewhere.

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      07-26-2012 02:31 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by MUG318 View Post
      It's about time... This is a lot more scientific than what has previously been presented like "It's a lot more noisy than my GMC dualie." I was wondering when someone with a smartphone, or tablet would do this. Now if someone could do the same with a Passat with the infamous Hankook tires we'd be getting somewhere.
      I agree, only issue is the noise from the Hankooks are VERY road surface dependent. When I drive on smooth freshly paved roads... the only thing I hear is the wind over the mirror. On an older road the tires are so noisy that I can hardly hear the radio. I have been driving the same route for 10 years, with my 02 Golf with Conti tires on it. The old Golf, with 262,000 miles on it, from a tire noise persective is much quieter than my Passat with 1400 miles on it on the same roads.
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      07-26-2012 02:34 PM #39
      I would make a bet it's the tires, there have been threads before and if you look at tire rack the rating for the Hank. tires are very low for noise.... (meaning bad).

      I wish I would have know before I did buy, but on the road tests, it seem much more quite than the GLI I compared it too... I might call VW just to make a comment and see what happens, but I will probably switch out to contis or good year asymetrics when I get a chance.

      And the observations are true, on some surfaces the Hank. tires are fine, but switch to concrete and it's noisy.

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      07-26-2012 11:24 PM #40
      It helps a lot to use 32 or 33 psi in the all the tires. Much less noise.

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      08-03-2012 02:42 PM #41
      Mine are the infamous Hankook tires...
      Last edited by shadowraya; 08-03-2012 at 02:48 PM.

    17. 08-03-2012 07:22 PM #42
      I have a B7 V6 Passat Wagon here in Australia and they come with Continental ContiSportContact 5 and they are amazingly quiet, much better than the Pirelli P Zero's I had on my R36 Wagon.

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      08-11-2012 06:19 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by shredX View Post
      Do any of you feel there is excessive road noise on the highway?
      (not wind noise)

      Seems as though it can be worse depending on the surface. (duh) Comparing the B7 to the wife's Q5 is painful. Heck, even my MKVI GTI was silent compared to this.

      What do you all is a good fix?

      Tires? If so, what would be a good upgrade? The P Zero Neros on the GTI seemed pretty good. I'm new to car tires. Long time Jeeper.

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      Thanks in advance!
      Seems as though if you rotate tires front to back, the tires get noisy. I rotated mine in the old X pattern and they are not as bad. Blocks get pronounced. The more they wear unevenly the worse it will get. Read this on the tire rack. Still does not get rid of the whistling on concrete, but bearable.

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      08-13-2012 11:56 AM #44
      I did a little informal test this morning to measure road noise. Using my sound level meter (weighted to A) I measured road noise at 60 mph, windows up, climate control off, radio off, hand held and pointing slightly upward about 18" from the radio. Rough pavement hovered around 72 dba, fresh asphalt sections of road dropped 10 dba to 60-62 dba. I want to perform the same rest in my Q7 to compare as I have never felt it was loud.
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    20. 08-13-2012 01:15 PM #45
      Using three different iPad sound level apps and averaging, our month old Passat (with the Contis) measures 60-62 db (A weight) on brand new freeway asphalt, jumps up 7 db on older but still decent freeway.

      There is a stretch of road I want to test on that is really bad pavement.

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    21. 08-13-2012 03:10 PM #46
      After reading this, I'm glad my car came with Continentals.

      My car is extremely quiet.

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      08-14-2012 10:54 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by MUG318 View Post
      I may have to trade my B6 V6 for my new B7 TDI Premium when it arrives in August (if I don't sell it first). If the B7 has the Hankook tires on it, would it be a good idea to move the Michelin Primacy MXV4's from the B6 (with about 10k miles on them) to the B7? I would rather not pay money to replace the B7 tires with a new set.

      I have not seen any 2013 B7s but if they arrive with Conti's, I will be pleased.
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      08-14-2012 01:40 PM #48
      I have never seen the Contis come on the 18" rims.

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