k&n short ram

[drive.euro]

So I am in the very beginning stages of designing a fully custom short ram intake. I have a friend who will make me a place to mount the fule rail out of aircraft aluminum so I don't need to switch to digifant or remap my ecu. It will simply allow me to mount a cone filter to get more air flow. I am also working on a heat sheild for it so I can get cold air insted of hot engine air. But the other day a vw guy I know told me this would lower my power not raise it. This didn't make alot of scenes to me but I admit I don't know everything. So I am hoping someone out there may be able to help me find out some more info before I do this. Has anyone done anything like this? Any info would be great.

[izzo]

Was just a matter of time

But the other day a vw guy I know told me this would lower my power not raise it. This didn't make alot of scenes to me

You should listen to him, as it makes a ton of sense.
Unless you make a VERY effective heatshield to separate the cone from the sauna under the hood,
and figure out a way to supply the filter with fresh, cold air, a ram intake is pointless.

Although for a VR6, see mine - it might give you some ideas:





And the full DIY here: https://sites.google.com/site/stoyne...ort-ram-intake

[drive.euro]

I'm really not worried about the heat sysops or getting cold air to it. What I am worried about is I see no 1.8 na out there that simply relocated the fule rail to ditch the box and get a cone. Insulation and fresh air are easy.

[izzo]

I'm really not worried about the heat sysops or getting cold air to it.

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But the other day a vw guy I know told me this would lower my power not raise it. This didn't make alot of scenes to me but I admit I don't know everything. So I am hoping someone out there may be able to help me find out some more info before I do this.

Ок.

For what a ram intake gives (next to nothing), and for the amount of work/money/time invested to do it in your case,
I wouldn't bother. But then again you won't have vrooooom, right.

[max302]

Short rams are teh ghey.

Do something like this guy did, with piping as big as your MAF's diameter throughout.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea....8t-AIT-sensor

Probably the only way to make power out of an intake a on a naturally aspirated VW. 1.8t AIT part will not apply to you since you apparently don't have a VR.

[drive.euro]

Well this mod will cost me next to nothing cuz my buddy making me the fule rail mount gets the aluminum for free. And it won't be the only mod done its just one. One day it will be have a turbo and be set up for rally. I'm just looking for some fun till its not a daily driver anymore. I guess I just might not be understanding as to why it won't help. With the sensors in there shouldn't it know what to do

[Bozwell]

im assuming u have a 16v since youre saying u dont wanna swap to digi. the easiest and cheapest thing u can do is take a jig saw and cut out the front-facing portion of the stock lower airbox half. u can also throw in your fav brand of replacement drop-in air filter (stock, k&n, airraid, aem, whatever...) and voila! u have yourself a low cost short ram.

as stated before, the gains (if any) are minimal. an engine is an air pump, to flow more air into it u need to also flow more air out of it (exhaust). after that, u need to improve flow thru the engine itself. a short ram will help slightly at higher r's but u really wont notice it (or need it) until u upgrade the exhaust, install more aggressive cams, do port work, etc.

to sum it up, if you really wanna do sumthin with the intake or u want more intake noise, just cut the stock airbox. otherwise, save your $$ for mods that make a real difference

[drive.euro]

Well I think I'm already going to do a water methanol injection. What else can get me more power while its still na but won't be a waste when I do get ready for it to get set up for rally. I am still not sure if I want to go the turbo route for rally but I may. Any ideas would be great, just keep in mind it will be a daily for now but I can't stand it sock anymore.

[Bozwell]

im not sure water meth will do very much for you without boost. 16v's can make some decent power and be fun to drive. i would honestly start with cams and a full exhaust. after that replace the crappy CIS engine management. the power gain i picked up switching to digi1 was unreal....plus it idled properly....and started easy! digi1 was prolly the best upgrade my 16v ever got

[drive.euro]

A few of the benefits to water methanol is a cleaner engine, lower intake temps, higher and safer octane, denser fule/air mix and its not were in starting just want it

[drive.euro]

I am looking @ cams and exhaust

[CrazyMonkey]

What I am worried about is I see no 1.8 na out there that simply relocated the fule rail to ditch the box and get a cone.

That's because you can't just simply do what you're suggesting. The fuel system on a 16V uses a mechanical airflow metering plate that's connected to the fuel distributor (where all those fuel lines come out) to control the fuel flow rate (there's a little bit of electronic adjustment). To get a fuel rail, you need new engine management.

To get a cone filter without new engine management, you would have to build some sort of lower air cleaner box that a tube from a cone filter plugs into. That sounds like way too much work to me for negligible benefit, but it's probably doable...

[drive.euro]

Yea that's what I mean. Idk why I was calling it a fule rail. It will be made for free or really cheap. As the pieces will be cut from free material with equipment at my buddys work also for free.

[drive.euro]

Yea that's what I mean. Idk why I was calling it a fule rail. It will be made for free or really cheap. As the pieces will be cut from free material with equipment at my buddys work also for free.

More or less what I mean

[izzo]

Confused you sound, almost like you are trying to convince yourself...

And I can't help it, wtf is "fule"?

[drive.euro]

Confused you sound, almost like you are trying to convince yourself...

And I can't help it, wtf is "fule"?

Yep first to admit I'm not perfect just like to pretend I am

[Bozwell]

i dont think theres enuf room to fit a cone filter under the fuel distributor unless you cut out the metal tray that the airbox sits on. ITG made a lower airbox half for the golf/jetta 16v's but i cant find one for the larger passat airbox. anyway, its basically what i recommended doing with the stock lower airbox half, just alot more expensive! heres a oic of the golf/jetta piece

[drive.euro]

Well I was thinking of lowering the cis and building a new box for it to mount on. It would be shaped different from the stock one that would angle the cis a bit so not only could I fit a cone in there but also to smooth the air flow out a bit.