FBI coverup?

[100% Euro]

Does anyone really believe he was "suicidal" to me this sounds like a cover-up. He knew to much or was ready to tell and the government decided to construct this story as a way out for when he inevitably is found dead. I can't believe that we as citizens have forgotten that we are the most powerful branch of government.

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[Zombiee313]

Paging TIGninja......

[ATL_Av8r]

Sorry to say, but the FBI doesn't really offer coverups. The closest you can get is to buy a jacket a size or two too big for you. There really isn't any other option.

[hrama803]

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[100% Euro]

Sorry to say, but the FBI doesn't really offer coverups. The closest you can get is to buy a jacket a size or two too big for you. There really isn't any other option.

I'm sure someone in China could make me one. Although I was trying to be somewhat serious here that was definitely a good response, made me laugh.

[Big M]

Does anyone really believe he was "suicidal" to me this sounds like a cover-up. He knew to much or was ready to tell and the government decided to construct this story as a way out for when he inevitably is found dead. I can't believe that we as citizens have forgotten that we are the most powerful branch of government.

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You got that much conspiracy from that little article?

Who is this guy, and what reason is there to believe that "he knew too much?"

[Señor Peligro]

Idaho isn't Euro.

[Turbio!]

Does anyone really believe he was "suicidal" to me this sounds like a cover-up. He knew to much or was ready to tell and the government decided to construct this story as a way out for when he inevitably is found dead. I can't believe that we as citizens have forgotten that we are the most powerful branch of government.

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It sounds like you need to lay off the Alex Jones and interact with normal people more.

[100% Euro]

You got that much conspiracy from that little article?

Who is this guy, and what reason is there to believe that "he knew too much?"

140 agents searching for one guy? They showed no evidence that he is suicidal. It would only make sense from their point of view to make it public knowledge that he is "suicidal" so when he ends up dead we all presumably know why.

[Turbio!]

140 agents searching for one guy? They showed no evidence that he is suicidal. It would only make sense from their point of view to make it public knowledge that he is "suicidal" so when he ends up dead we all presumably know why.

Why would they show you evidence?

And 140 is actually low. I used to work SAR and I've been on searches that involved 300 people. Depending on the area they've got to cover, that's on the low-to-normal side.

Don't make **** up to fill in the gaps of what you don't know. I have no idea why you reflexively think it's totally out of the question that FBI agents can wig out and commit suicide, but stop. It's silly.

[100% Euro]

Why would they show you evidence?

And 140 is actually low. I used to work SAR and I've been on searches that involved 300 people. Depending on the area they've got to cover, that's on the low-to-normal side.

Don't make **** up to fill in the gaps of what you don't know. I have no idea why you reflexively think it's totally out of the question that FBI agents can wig out and commit suicide, but stop. It's silly.

140 might be normal for a search in general but not 100 FBI agents. Give it a break man, just because you like your spoon fed news and ideologies does not mean I cant be a free thinking man. Sure they can "wig" out but when he is of "no threat" according to the FBI why do they feel the need to chase him down? They say he took his sidearm so that must be a sign he is suicidal, sounds ridiculous to me, there are allot of us who carry firearms not because we want to go end our lives.

[Turbio!]

140 might be normal for a search in general but not 100 FBI agents.

Till you've been involved in a search yourself, I don't think you're competent to tell me what's typical or not. When the subject is armed, law enforcement takes over the search from civilian rescue personnel.

Give it a break man, just because you like your spoon fed news and ideologies does not mean I cant be a free thinking man. .

Don't be condescending; you're spoon fed your news and ideology from conspiratorial sources just as much as the typical Fox-watching nitwit gets theirs from the tube. Alex Jones and Infowars is no better. Your thinking is just as biased and constrained as anybody's, you just reflexively start making up conspiracies and dark agendas whereas everybody else reflexively looks for the simplest and most logical answer.

Sure they can "wig" out but when he is of "no threat" according to the FBI why do they feel the need to chase him down? They say he took his sidearm so that must be a sign he is suicidal, sounds ridiculous to me, there are allot of us who carry firearms not because we want to go end our lives.

His family said he was distraught. Believe that or not, but it's at least a reason to believe he was not psychologically well. What reason do you have to believe he wasn't suicidal, that overrides the testimony of his own family?

[mavric_ac]

so now a free thinking person = bat **** crazy?

[100% Euro]

Till you've been involved in a search yourself, I don't think you're competent to tell me what's typical or not.

There is a reason I said might there buddy. I was taking your experience into consideration.

Don't be condescending; you're spoon fed conspiracies and wild theories, so you're no better. Your thinking is just as biased and constrained as anybody's, you just reflexively start making up conspiracies whereas everybody else reflexively looks for the simplest and most logical answer.

Although i don't know why this is such an issue to you that you feel the need reply in such a manner I will humor you. How can you claim that suicide is the most logical answer? Please with all of your experience in FBI searches tell me how many agents is normal in this type of search that i'm sure you have been involved in; and my thinking is actually very open minded, I examined the article and formed my opinion based on it. I decided to open it up for discussion. Unfortunately I ran into one of the many people found on forums who likes to combat anything just for their own amusement. And while I have not been involved in large scale searches I am familiar with people leaving/deserting the military and/or committing suicide and I can tell you that there was NO large scale search for them.

[Hostile]

so now a free thinking person = bat **** crazy?

Seeing conspiracies where they are not likely to not exist is not "free thinking", it's "nuts thinking".

ITT: OP who has seen a few too many movies.

[Robstr]

You're the one with the extraordinary claim.
You're the one that needs the extraordinary evidence.

Why wouldn't the FBI send a hundred agents to find a missing FBI member who might be a danger to himself or others?

[Big M]

How can you claim that suicide is the most logical answer? Please with all of your experience in FBI searches tell me how many agents is normal in this type of search that i'm sure you have been involved in; and my thinking is actually very open minded, I examined the article and formed my opinion based on it. I decided to open it up for discussion. Unfortunately I ran into one of the many people found on forums who likes to combat anything just for their own amusement. And while I have not been involved in large scale searches I am familiar with people leaving/deserting the military and/or committing suicide and I can tell you that there was NO large scale search for them.

Just to be clear, is there any other information about this guy that is not in the article you posted that you are basing your opinions on?

[mavric_ac]

Seeing conspiracies where they are not likely to not exist is not "free thinking", it's "nuts thinking".

ITT: OP who has seen a few too many movies.

seriously they try and fill the smallest tinniest gap in a single story with some extravagant story from some spy/action movie

[100% Euro]

You're the one with the extraordinary claim.
You're the one that needs the extraordinary evidence.

Why wouldn't the FBI send a hundred agents to find a missing FBI member who might be a danger to himself or others?

I would venture to say that my claim is well founded in the FBI's own history, Waco and Ruby ridge come to mind. I'm not worried about persuading anyone here I'm just interested in the way others take my point of view. I'm assuming that the majority of people here are liberal, big brother advocates? And for the record I don't watch Television news. The answer to your question is simple, they have a large enough police force in California to supplement those FBI agents, the FBI also claims he is not a threat to others.

[Turbio!]

There is a reason I said might there buddy. I was taking your experience into consideration.
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And then you weighed in on how many FBI agents are typical. Stop acting like you know it all.

Please with all of your experience in FBI searches tell me how many agents is normal in this type of search that i'm sure you have been involved in; and my thinking is actually very open minded, I examined the article and formed my opinion based on it. I decided to open it up for discussion..

I was involved with a search for a missing guy when FBI and local police took it over because his brother said he might have been armed and had been in an unstable frame of mind when he was last seen. The area we were searching was about two miles on a side - much smaller than the mountain range they're searching for this guy - and there were at least 8 unmarked Suburbans and 5 or 6 police cars and SUVs at the trailhead when we left. Do the math.

And no, you weren't open minded. You decided it was a coverup and presented that as likely. Coming to a conclusion and defending it is not open-minded. That's closed-minded.

Although i don't know why this is such an issue to you that you feel the need reply in such a manner I will humor you. How can you claim that suicide is the most logical answer?

Because suicide is extraordinarily common, and by far the most likely possibility for someone who disappeared along with their gun, in a mood their family described as "despondent."

Unfortunately I ran into one of the many people found on forums who likes to combat anything just for their own amusement. And while I have not been involved in large scale searches I am familiar with people leaving/deserting the military and/or committing suicide and I can tell you that there was NO large scale search for them.

If you didn't want anybody to disagree with you, why did you repost this in a forum while asserting that he probably knew something and that the suicide angle was just a cover-up?

[barry2952]

Paging TIGninja......

Please, don't.

[Provocyclist]

[Turbio!]

I would venture to say that my claim is well founded in the FBI's own history, Waco and Ruby ridge come to mind.

Because that involved a missing FBI agent, right?

[100% Euro]

Because that involved a missing FBI agent, right?

Ruby Ridge had to do with the FBI saying one thing and doing another; and using subversion, illegal searches seizures and setups to kill a mans family. It's only now that its becoming public knowledge while some loony nuts similar to myself have known it since it happened.

Waco was just mass murder under a mask of "terrorist threat"

We can just watch this story unfold and see what comes of it. I can be quite sure he wont come out alive. It was the FBI who claimed despondent not the family.

[Robstr]

There you go with that attributing to malice that which can be explained by incompetence thing again.

[ATL_Av8r]

Idaho isn't Euro.

Maybe his own private one is

[100% Euro]

There you go with that attributing to malice that which can be explained by incompetence thing again.

None of that was incompetence it was malice. Are you that blind? If you think that a trained sniper killing an unarmed woman holding a child is incompetence or that selling a man a shotgun that is .5" to short in order to set him up to be able to invade his home is incompetence you are the one who is delusional. You would do well in communist china.

[Turbio!]

There you go with that attributing to malice that which can be explained by incompetence thing again.

My go-to reality check.

[Big M]

Ruby Ridge had to do with the FBI saying one thing and doing another; and using subversion, illegal searches seizures and setups to kill a mans family. It's only now that its becoming public knowledge while some loony nuts similar to myself have known it since it happened.

Waco was just mass murder under a mask of "terrorist threat"

We can just watch this story unfold and see what comes of it. I can be quite sure he wont come out alive. It was the FBI who claimed despondent not the family.

That doesn't mean that EVERYTHING that the FBI does has an ulterior motive. Why is this case with this guy something bigger than they say?

And again, is there another news story about this guy where you are getting this stuff from? Because I googled his name and all the articles are as sparse on details as this one.

[100% Euro]

My go-to reality check.

Explain the incompetence then. I'm sure your quite competent at debate seeing that you live your life on the internet so entertain me.

[100% Euro]

That doesn't mean that EVERYTHING that the FBI does has an ulterior motive. Why is this case with this guy something bigger than they say?

And again, is there another news story about this guy where you are getting this stuff from? Because I googled his name and all the articles are as sparse on details as this one.

Your right, and this one may not be a conspiracy, i'm not a loon I just feel uneasy about it, is that acceptable? And yes all of the articles I have read are very very short on details and usually say "the FBI is not releasing why they feel he is suicidal and despondent" And the family does not say he was troubled in anyway just that he was missing.

[Tornado2dr]

Op may want to consider not advertising his employer when he makes outlandish claims... Lest we associate tha employer with him.

Seriously, waco? Review your recent history. Were you even of age at that time ? The Waco raid was initiated by the ATF and THEN the FBI came in to clean up their mess...but not before several ATF agents were wounded and at least one killed.


Jee bus. I hate people.

[Mr Miyagi]

You got that much conspiracy from that little article?

Who is this guy, and what reason is there to believe that "he knew too much?"

It actually makes a lot of sense. FBI thinks someone knows too much, they go and kill him because that is the best kind of secret keeper, and then they say he killed himself. Its 100% successful.

[Elbows]

I haven't seen TIG lately...and I'm thinking he moved to Idaho.

That is my favorite excuse though "You get your information from the news!? HAH! I get mine from a much better completely anonymous website!"

[100% Euro]

It actually makes a lot of sense. FBI thinks someone knows too much, they go and kill him because that is the best kind of secret keeper, and then they say he killed himself. Its 100% successful.

You must be a crazy nut like me. That never happens outside of the movies. And the media never has an agenda anyone who thinks otherwise is just an insane conspiracy nut...