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The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson (he wrote The Men Who Stare At Goats, that was turned into the movie with Clooney).
The Psychopath Test is a fascinating journey through the minds of madness. Jon Ronson's exploration of a potential hoax being played on the world's top neurologists takes him, unexpectedly, into the heart of the madness industry. An influential psychologist who is convinced that many important CEOs and politicians are, in fact, psychopaths teaches Ronson how to spot these high-flying individuals by looking out for little telltale verbal and nonverbal clues. And so Ronson, armed with his new psychopath-spotting abilities, enters the corridors of power. He spends time with a death-squad leader institutionalized for mortgage fraud in Coxsackie, New York; a legendary CEO whose psychopathy has been speculated about in the press; and a patient in an asylum for the criminally insane who insists he's sane and certainly not a psychopath.
Ronson not only solves the mystery of the hoax but also discovers, disturbingly, that sometimes the personalities at the helm of the madness industry are, with their drives and obsessions, as mad in their own way as those they study. And that relatively ordinary people are, more and more, defined by their maddest edges.
Turbio states that corporal punishment doesn't work for psycopaths, and doesn't work too well for non-crazies...that does not equate to saying it "doesn't work", flat out.
BTW...he isn't wrong.
promote the internalization of moral lessons, can degrade the parent-child relationship, becomes less effective the more often it's used, can promote antisocial behavior if it's delivered aggressively, and doesn't make the kid behave properly when the parent isn't around. The APA has recommended against it, on the basis of the research I cited. It can create immediate compliance in the discrete situation where corporal punishment is applied, but it's usually at best ineffective and useless - not harmful usually, but also not typically an effective tool in teaching your kid how to behave. And there are usually better ways to achieve short-term compliance if you're not an incompetent parent. So why bother?
That Gershoff paper (here) is a really good overview that analyzes the results of a number of other papers, so I'll refrain from citing more.
So why is it useless? According to Holden (2002), paraphrasing the work of Domjan's The essentials of conditioning and learning (2nd ed. 2002),
So I won't flatly assert that it doesn't work, and I didn't. The best available research doesn't convince me that corporal punishment is particularly effective in any but a vanishing minority of cases where parents are able to meet all of the above criteria consistently and without fail. Since it's usually the case that corporal punishment is pretty ineffective, and since doing ineffective things is kind of ridiculous, I stand by my earlier statement in its entirety.Punishment can be an effective agent of behavioral change, but only under certain conditions. To be effective, it must occur after every transgression, be immediate, be intense at least for the first transgression, and not be signaled by a discriminative stimulus. These conditions represent a tall order for parents; in fact, it is likely parents are destined to fail on all four counts.
Of course, it goes without saying that when a psychopathic person is punished, by whatever means, it's usually completely ineffective because they're deficient in the empathy required to feel shame or contrition and are therefore not inclined to internalize those emotions to change future actions. All they're gonna do is figure out how to not get caught next time.
Last edited by Turbio!; 05-16-2012 at 01:19 PM.
LOL FLORIDA LOL
He is going to grow up to be a killer. Sad, really, that he has to destroy his family instead of himself. I now understand why some people just dump their children in the middle of no-where. If this was my kid, I would have long left him at a Hospital with a white flag of surrender.
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Turbio I believe the middle ground you're looking for is 'authoritative parenting'. Overwhelming evidence suggests that it is the best method for rearing 'normal' kids, as well as producing subsequent well-adjusted adults. There is a very real element of punishment, but it is much more structured and psychologically sound than say, whipping your kid and not explaining why.
On the bright side if Michael ever runs away from home, for the reasons of being misunderstoood like I would imagine any child in his circumstance may feel, I've been told they have a great age progression photo that could be used on the back of that milk carton...