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    Thread: 5,200+ miles over 10 days in a Mazda2 (long read)

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      05-16-2012 08:54 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by cryption View Post
      My 2011 Fusion can get 35 on the highway cruising - and it's a much bigger car. I would expect close to 40 highway out of a 2.

      Aside from the poor mileage, seems like they are still neat little cars.
      I have a manual 2 and am averaging 37 mpg over 10000 miles of mostly highway driving.

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      05-16-2012 09:01 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by proximal View Post
      I have a manual 2 and am averaging 37 mpg over 10000 miles of mostly highway driving.
      The automatics really kill the mileage on these little engines. My 5-speed Yaris gets 36-38 MPG in mixed driving (just have to coast up to lights and accelerate gently) and upper 30s/low 40s on the highway depending on speed. 85 MPH = 35 MPG
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      05-16-2012 10:12 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by adrew View Post
      The automatics really kill the mileage on these little engines. My 5-speed Yaris gets 36-38 MPG in mixed driving (just have to coast up to lights and accelerate gently) and upper 30s/low 40s on the highway depending on speed. 85 MPH = 35 MPG
      The 4 speed automatic can get low/mid 30s in mixed driving.

      http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.d...rue&details=on

      The OP's situation was a small car loaded with passengers and cargo.
      That is not the same as a car being driven by a single driver in an unloaded car in 30-60 mph traffic.
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      05-16-2012 10:13 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by proximal View Post
      I have a manual 2 and am averaging 37 mpg over 10000 miles of mostly highway driving.
      Your post does not count.
      We must keep bashing the Mazda2's fuel economy!

      Most Mazda2 user numbers easily beat the EPA estimates.
      Obviously the Mazda2 was not optimized for the EPA mpg tests.
      “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

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      05-16-2012 10:21 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      The 4 speed automatic can get mid 30s in mixed driving.

      http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.d...rue&details=on

      The OP's situation was a small car loaded with passengers and cargo.
      That is not the same as a car being driven by a single driver in an unloaded car in 30-60 mph traffic.
      I took our '11 on a camping trip last weekend with two other people, a tent, three sleeping bags, three sleeping pads, a crate of food, a big cooler and some other stuff (basically it was full to the brim) and still averaged 40 MPG on the trip (2 hours each way, 55-60 MPH country roads).

      On road trips (loaded down) I get 35-40 MPG depending on speed. 55-60 MPH = 40 MPG, 85 MPH = 35 MPG.
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      05-16-2012 10:27 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Loaded down with passengers and cargo through the mountains?
      My 11 year old Jetta 1.8T gets a good consistent 32mpg on highway road trips through the Rockies, with 4 people and their luggage. However it does benefit from having a manual transmission, and I skip the cruise control. It is a little disappointing that the smaller Mazda 2 doesn't seem to have a significant mileage advantage over the larger and more comfortable 3.
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      05-16-2012 10:31 PM #32
      I took a 7000 mile trip last summer (Chicago to SF and back, the long way) in a Jetta 2.0T DSG. Car had two people and was packed with cargo...averaged about 31 mpg. I couldn't imagine doing it in a smaller/less refined car. You are brave.

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      05-16-2012 10:36 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by adrew View Post
      I took our '11 on a camping trip last weekend with two other people, a tent, three sleeping bags, three sleeping pads, a crate of food, a big cooler and some other stuff (basically it was full to the brim) and still averaged 40 MPG on the trip (2 hours each way, 55-60 MPH country roads).

      On road trips (loaded down) I get 35-40 MPG depending on speed. 55-60 MPH = 40 MPG, 85 MPH = 35 MPG.
      That is great.
      And don't get me wrong- the 4 speed auto obviously hurts the Mazda2's fuel economy.
      But it still returns great fuel economy in normal driving (combined).
      The manual is better.
      A couple of 40 mpg users here.
      http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.d...rue&details=on

      And the automatic hurts the Yarises mpg too.

      http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.d...rue&details=on

      It's just nice to see that some gas vehicles with nice epa numbers seem to easily surpass their epa estimates (Yaris, Mazda2).
      But I guess when you only have 100 hp and even less torque, you can't really play with the highway gearing that much to maximize the test results.
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    9. 06-18-2012 11:53 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Your post does not count.
      We must keep bashing the Mazda2's fuel economy!

      Most Mazda2 user numbers easily beat the EPA estimates.
      Obviously the Mazda2 was not optimized for the EPA mpg tests.
      With my 5-speed Mazda2 I'm averaging 34.4 MPG over 26,000 miles in mostly suburban driving. I've gotten up to 38 MPG on highway trips, and never less than 31 MPG in mostly city driving.
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      06-18-2012 12:16 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfTango View Post
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      “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

    13. 06-18-2012 03:31 PM #38
      A few more notes from TCL's first ever Mazda2 owner (since September 2010):

      Quote Originally Posted by Assle View Post
      The Yokohama Avid S34F tires performed very well from the canyons of California to the snow/ice of Denver. Always good grip except for minor hydroplaning in New Mexico.
      The stock tires are overall very good (although noisy on coarse pavement), but don't expect them to last long -- mine will need replacement at around 30k miles. For a car as light as the Mazda2 (~2300 lbs.), that is rather disappointing, and other choices in the 185/55R-15 size are few and far between.

      There is no engine temp gauge, only one blue dummy light to let you know the engine has not warmed up to optimal temperature, and one red dummy light to let you know if the engine is too hot.
      Since virtually all modern cars have an "idiot gauge" that locks to exactly the center position across a wide range of operating temperatures (from barely warm to just below overheating), that is no big loss.

      Wider-than-expected turning radius. I tried to turn around 180 degrees at a gas station around the pump island and could not do it in one smooth move.
      It is no Mini or Smart car, but it can turn around on a city street in one shot, which is fine by me.

      Small 11.3 gallon gas tank made for stopping 2-3 times a day to get gas but at least it was cheap and quick to fill up.
      The digital fuel gauge reads a bit high -- even with the "E" blinking, you'll still have over 2 gallons left in the tank.

      No satellite radio. Not sure if it was just this car that didn't come with it or if the Mazda2 doesn't have it as an option at all.
      No sunroof. Again, not sure if at all available from Mazda.
      There is no factory satellite radio option (nor Bluetooth or USB or iPod dock or anything fancy like that). No sunroof option -- one salesman told me the roof wouldn't have enough structural rigidity with a sunroof, so that's why they don't offer it.

      You do have a button to turn the DSC off, which was nice, but there is no indicator to inform you if wheel slip was detected.
      There is a wheel slip light in the gauge cluster -- I've seen it flash while driving in the snow.
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      06-18-2012 08:29 PM #40
      5000 miles in a Mazda 2.

      Were you being punished or did you just lose a bet?

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      06-18-2012 08:32 PM #41
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      06-18-2012 08:45 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by jimbogxp View Post
      5000 miles in a Mazda 2.

      Were you being punished or did you just lose a bet?
      I'm glad you said it.

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      06-18-2012 11:51 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by jimbogxp View Post
      5000 miles in a Mazda 2.

      Were you being punished or did you just lose a bet?
      I'd rather be driving in the Mazda 2 as opposed to some bland midsize barge (Nissan Altima, Ford Fusion, ect...) that the "minotaurs" here on vortex cream their pants about.

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      06-18-2012 11:57 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by qjetta2004 View Post
      I'd rather be driving in the Mazda 2 as opposed to some bland midsize barge (Nissan Altima, Ford Fusion, ect...) that the "minotaurs" here on vortex cream their pants about.
      A Mazda 2 would be more fun tooling around touring spots and in urban or even rural areas.
      But out on the interstate? I would rather have a /good/ larger car because it would be more comfortable and stable at high speed.
      And acknowledging their basic existence and general positives is not the same as "creaming their pants".
      If that's creaming their pants, then I must cream my pants every time I respond to a phone survey with a yes answer.
      “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

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      06-19-2012 12:04 AM #45
      I just drove my Yaris to Alabama and back (~1800 miles) and didn't have a tank that averaged less than 40 MPG. Mileage falls off rapidly over 70 MPH so I kept it around 60-75 most of the time. The best tank (42.6) was driving from Mississippi to mid-Texas on US 82 after I found some ethanol-free gas at a Citgo in Greenville, MS. It was great and very comfortable except for a lot of road noise on the "chip seal" roads Texas uses out in the boonies.


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      06-19-2012 07:05 AM #46
      That gas pump looks like it belongs at a place that offers a good old fashioned raping out back.

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      06-19-2012 01:32 PM #47
      Nice write up and I agree for the most part, but 5000 miles - I dunno.

      Its a blast to drive around town and I ended up going from LA to Palm Springs to visit a friend. The engine will hit its limits pretty quickly but it is smooth and quiet. Handling was good as expected from Mazda and it being a small car. Not MINI calibre but you could wreak havoc in the city if you wanted to and no one would know what happened.

      Coming from Audi and VW's I was also pleasantly surprised by the interior. It felt airy, spacious and the instrument cluster and markings felt very functional and clean and I got the sense Mazda actually spent time on the interior of a smaller car. If this was badged as an A2 people would go nuts.

      I remember saying yes Mazda2 before the rental agent barely finished telling me what was available. He handed me the keys to a red one and we both kinda chuckled looking at it.
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    23. 06-19-2012 04:24 PM #48
      honestly I find 30.4 mpg to be fairly terrible for a car that size. I drove across country twice in my 2001 jetta VR6, also loaded up with stuff, and averaged 28mpg for the trip, and was going around 80 for much of it.

      Even loaded I would expect a newer car like that to average 35mpg on an all highway trip.

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      06-19-2012 05:55 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Jettavr666 View Post
      honestly I find 30.4 mpg to be fairly terrible for a car that size. I drove across country twice in my 2001 jetta VR6, also loaded up with stuff, and averaged 28mpg for the trip, and was going around 80 for much of it.

      Even loaded I would expect a newer car like that to average 35mpg on an all highway trip.
      Wow- you must have an extra special VR6.
      My brother's automatic VR6 Jetta drank premium gas at a surprising rate considering the small size of the car, but he also had a lead foot.

      And the real benefit of small economy cars with small engines is combined low cost of ownership.
      They are cheap to buy and drive (fuel, repairs, maintenance, insurance).
      The combine fuel economy is where such cars really shine- getting 30 mpg in daily driving versus the occasional steady speed interstate trip where a larger heavier car with a larger engine can lug down the road at a low rpm. At a steady speed, extra weight is not really a big deal. And the total aerodynamics of larger longer vehicles is usually better than the stubby upright economy cars.
      “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

    25. 06-19-2012 06:04 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Wow- you must have an extra special VR6.
      My brother's automatic VR6 Jetta drank premium gas at a surprising rate considering the small size of the car, but he also had a lead foot.
      Nah, I got less than that sometimes, and in the city it was pretty bad, but highway was usually okay. Also when i had 17" wheels on i got about 1.5mpg less on the highway, ironically despite what VW said, the sweet spot was constant speed with the 16" wheels, and 87 octane gas. In the city 87 would be worse for economy but on the highway, it was better as long as I wasnt ragging on it. Also the VR6's with the 4spd auto are known to get much worse MPG.

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