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      05-17-2012 03:31 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by invisiblewar View Post
      I don't know how I'll afford it but if the ute gets brought over, I will have it.
      Problem is, I guarantee if GM brings it over, they'll try to market it like a Blackwood or SSR. Big engine, lots of leather, automatic, and a $35k+ price to match. A "niche truck"

      And they'll sell... A dozen.

      Why TF they can't bring over (or build here) one with a V6 or turbo 4, market it as THE OMG KING OF MPGEEES IN TRUCKS, and sell it starting at $25k or so?

      Also, before the inevitable happens... These utes are REAL trucks. The current gen has a higher payload capacity than an F150, and can tow almost as much. This is NOT comparable to a Baja.

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      Quote Originally Posted by AKADriver View Post
      Are the powertrains really completely unchanged? Up against the Taurus and new Charger it seems suicidal to not offer the direct-injection version of the V6. That was one of the biggest oversights of the G8 to me... there was practically no fuel economy benefit to the V6. This car with the fuel economy of the base Camaro would be a more appealing package.
      I think it's 50:50, at best. Considering the shortened lifespan, GM may decide not to switch out the motor until the full redesign goes into effect.

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      05-17-2012 03:47 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by invisiblewar View Post



      This; A million times this!

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      05-17-2012 04:24 PM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by 3 Money Pits View Post
      Problem is, I guarantee if GM brings it over, they'll try to market it like a Blackwood or SSR. Big engine, lots of leather, automatic, and a $35k+ price to match. A "niche truck"

      And they'll sell... A dozen.

      Why TF they can't bring over (or build here) one with a V6 or turbo 4, market it as THE OMG KING OF MPGEEES IN TRUCKS, and sell it starting at $25k or so?

      Also, before the inevitable happens... These utes are REAL trucks. The current gen has a higher payload capacity than an F150, and can tow almost as much. This is NOT comparable to a Baja.
      They can't sell a utilitarian Ute for $25K when you can get a V8 full sized "real truck" for the same $K.

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      05-17-2012 04:32 PM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      They can't sell a utilitarian Ute for $25K when you can get a V8 full sized "real truck" for the same $K.
      I think they could. If the thing is being built already, there are essentially no/little development/certification costs and I think that they're aimed at different markets even if they do similar jobs.

      This thing only seats two, there aren't heavy duty versions (even if this is capable as it sits), there's no 4wd option and this one sits low like a car. Truck guys like sitting high.

      The plusses for it? Mileage, it drives like a car and it sits lower. Non truck guys like sitting lower.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      "What is a Ute?" [/FredGwynn]

    8. 05-17-2012 05:08 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      I think they could. If the thing is being built already, there are essentially no/little development/certification costs and I think that they're aimed at different markets even if they do similar jobs.

      This thing only seats two, there aren't heavy duty versions (even if this is capable as it sits), there's no 4wd option and this one sits low like a car. Truck guys like sitting high.

      The plusses for it? Mileage, it drives like a car and it sits lower. Non truck guys like sitting lower.
      Didn't GM already try that with the SST (or whatever it was called) retro/truck/convertible looking thing

      Thought that was a failure?

      I doubt they bring the Ute here. Maybe a Colorado/Canyon replacement perhaps
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    9. 05-17-2012 05:11 PM #109
      i want this only in Buick trim and a turbo charged V6 - they can call it a GNX



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      Make it three yards mother****er and we'll have an automobile race

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      05-17-2012 05:15 PM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by amdmaxx View Post
      *pic of Holden ute
      I'm well aware, as has been pointed out in the thread. I was referencing this:



      It's at 1:28.
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      05-17-2012 05:42 PM #111


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      05-17-2012 06:19 PM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      Car and Driver has reported that the SS will be a very short lived model, because production is set to move to N. America in 2015.5. Correcting my earlier statement, Chevy SS will move to Zeta 2 in 2015.5, not Alpha.

      From C&D:

      New Stuff: Two RWD Platforms On the Way

      Today’s Zeta will morph into the lighter and even more flexible Zeta II for 2015, at which point the Camaro will move onto the Alpha component set also used by Cadillac’s ATS and next-gen CTS. Before that happens, though, Chevy will sell a pair of Zeta-based cars. Actually, the first of these is already on sale—if you’re a state, county, or municipal government that’s allowed to purchase imported products. (Many departments have rules that prevent them from purchasing vehicles not assembled in America.) The vehicle is the Chevrolet Caprice PPV.

      The second vehicle, of course, is the most interesting. Perhaps as a way to justify future North American production of its cop car, perhaps simply because Chevy “gets it,” a civilized, civilian take on the PPV joins the model lineup next year. Wearing the SuperSport badge, the car will initially ride on the current Zeta platform and be offered exclusively as a four-door sedan. The SuperSport name and styling also will be applied to the 2013 Chevrolet NASCAR entry. The launch powerplant for the roadgoing car is expected to be the Camaro SS’s 6.2-liter V-8, pumping out something on the high side of 415 hp. A version of GM’s latest 3.6-liter V-6 will be added after the launch for the weaker of heart; we’d expect this engine to produce at least 320 hp. The SuperSport and the Caprice PPV will then migrate to the Zeta II platform in time for the 2015.5 model year. When this happens, full production will shift to North America, thereby delivering a much larger market for the cop version. In addition to the SuperSport sedan, a cropped-rear-overhang sport wagon and a Ute pickup are being considered for the North American market.

      Zeta II also will be used for two Chinese-market Buicks starting in late 2014, and one or both of these cars could arrive in North American showrooms if it’s determined that brand needs large rear-drive cars. Conspicuously absent from the Zeta II plans is anything from Cadillac. That’s another story—and another platform.
      Should be interesting to see what unfolds with Chevy's car line-up. I'd almost like to see the FWD Impala go away after this upcoming generation to give the Malibu and Buick brand more breathing room, and be replaced by a RWD Zeta II Impala. Then make the SS go on Alpha to allow it to be a 4-door version of the Camaro. That will give GM the volume it needs it support the Zeta II development cost.

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      05-17-2012 06:24 PM #113
      Looks like they might be borrowing (hopefully) some cues from the Coupe 60:



      More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Coupe_60

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      05-17-2012 06:32 PM #114
      Just give me one of these. Either one.

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      05-17-2012 08:40 PM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      They can't sell a utilitarian Ute for $25K when you can get a V8 full sized "real truck" for the same $K.
      For $25k, it wouldn't be utilitarian. Barely any car is "utilitarian" anymore. My point is that if GM brought it over, undoubtedly they would market it as some niche offering "sport truck" that costs big bucks. It'll then flop, and everyone will fall back to the 'ol "Americans only drive big trucks" mantra.

      Quote Originally Posted by Juiced6 View Post
      Didn't GM already try that with the SST (or whatever it was called) retro/truck/convertible looking thing

      Thought that was a failure?
      Again... The SSR (and the Baja, Blackwood, etc.) cannot be used as "trucks". These utes will do everything a half ton will do (unless you're going offroad). Need 20 sheets of 1/2" drywall? They'll handle it fine.

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      05-17-2012 09:20 PM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      They can't sell a utilitarian Ute for $25K when you can get a V8 full sized "real truck" for the same $K.
      Precisely.

      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      . Non truck guys like sitting lower.
      Non truck guys don't buy trucks, because they don't actually need trucks. Truck guys, on the other hand, need trucks and vote with their dollars. If someone doesn't have have at least a beater truck to go with their daily driver, I don't think they need a truck enough to follow through on buying one of the jack-of-all-trades truck alternatives that get praised around here.
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    17. 05-17-2012 09:37 PM #117
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      That's a Caprice.

      Longer version of the same car.
      FTFY
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      05-17-2012 10:06 PM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      Non truck guys don't buy trucks, because they don't actually need trucks. Truck guys, on the other hand, need trucks and vote with their dollars. If someone doesn't have have at least a beater truck to go with their daily driver, I don't think they need a truck enough to follow through on buying one of the jack-of-all-trades truck alternatives that get praised around here.
      Ya, those brodozers are out there because they're "needed" lol.

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      05-17-2012 10:07 PM #119
      I just dawned on me that in 2014-ish, a person can walk into one of those midwestern GM megaplexes and be able to choose from the following:

      Corvette
      Camaro
      SS
      ATS-V
      BTS-V(?) Coupe
      CTS-V

      Now, if GMC would resurrect the Typhoon.

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      05-17-2012 10:13 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by Benkennedy11 View Post
      FTFY
      They share exactly zero body panels or interior pieces.

      Different car.

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      05-17-2012 10:21 PM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      Ya, those brodozers are out there because they're "needed" lol.
      Whether they're needed or not, the point stands. Their owners actually went out and bought a truck for whatever reason, and the preferences of people who actually buy trucks drive the truck market. Someone who doesn't own a truck, on the other hand, is probably not likely to start doing so just because all of a sudden they can buy one that's based on an Australian family sedan.
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      05-17-2012 10:38 PM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      Whether they're needed or not, the point stands. Their owners actually went out and bought a truck for whatever reason, and the preferences of people who actually buy trucks drive the truck market. Someone who doesn't own a truck, on the other hand, is probably not likely to start doing so just because all of a sudden they can buy one that's based on an Australian family sedan.
      I would happily go buy a Ute if they were actually available. I enjoy practicality, but I also enjoy car-like handling and not feeling like I'm riding on top of a 6-foot tall sofa. The Maloo R8 is pretty much my perfect all-around vehicle, and I'd give my testicles to have one.

      Would I say the same about a traditional pick-up? Not on your life.



      tl;dr I have no desire to ever own a "truck", but I'd happily have a Ute.

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      05-17-2012 10:51 PM #124
      The ute doesn't appeal to me, and I like weird things and things that can haul without being truck-ish. I dunno why. The styling is off or something.

      I'd rather have the wagon. It looks very slick. Much cleaner design than the pug-awkward D-pillar of the CTS wagon.
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    25. 05-18-2012 03:58 AM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by kingrukus View Post
      This car is too long in the tooth to sell good here. I predict sales flop. Rebadging the G8 was a good idea, oh I dunno...4 years ago?
      I don't know about long in the tooth.. the SS SS (see what I'm getting at about stupid name?) or the performance version of the car will probably handily compete performance wise with anything else on the market in it's price range.

      I think the styling is actually more attractive than many cars styled more recently... and since there are only 22,000 g8s on the road in the US most people don't even know the car much less would they say.. that looks like an old car from 2009. They will face lift it when they bring it here anyway.

      The powertrain is the same thing out of the 2009 vettes and 2011 camaros... i suppose you think those cars are long in the tooth as well? I suppose the vette might be due for a refresh in a couple years.. but this is nothing compared to say the NSX's run... or many other cars.



      Earlier I didn't mean to create a ****storm about the SS naming.. i never said they didn't put ss badges on the cars back in the day guys.. i mean.. we've all been to old muscle car shows and watched barrett jackson.. no one is that stupid. But I really do think there is a difference between calling a car "the camaro ss" and "the ss" it's stupid for one.. and it just asking for more negative connotation in a brand that doesn't need more negative connotation. I mean.. whatever.. most Americans that will buy the car will be too stupid to even know about WWII much less be able to name the actual people that were opening the gas canisters and operating the furnaces. I love the poster that just simply said definitively that it is not offensive while giving absolutely no justification for his opinion.. but stated it as if his opinion simply meant it was the truth.

      I don't think it's all that offensive.. but on a scale... it's more offensive than naming the car Jeff, Nova, banana, chair, monkey butt... on the other hand i realize it's probably less offensive than a lot of words I could type here that would end up looking like ****. they could have picked pretty much anything else though in my opinion. For this consumer the SS badge holds little value from a long time ago that I didn't live in with ties to a dying brand.

      I understand there is a heritage with the SS brand.. but.. GM needs to reinvent itself. I don't see this as a move in the right direction. offensive or not. (just the naming) as far as bringing the car over here.. they need to bring as many as they can in manual trim as fast as possible...

      especially if it can do better than 15 mpg like the 09 gxps.
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