Who drives a sleeper, post up!

[Accidental L8 apex]

nor is it a car that is heavily modified.

Wut? No, actually. We very much do expect it to be heavily modified. Am I the only one that saw this post? I think this is exactly where the rift begins. Some, at least you, are very much not aware of what a "sleeper" is by its simple definition.

I just checked and even wikipedia got it right. Look it up as I've wasted too much time in here already since Omnilith is right. After 10+ years on here, I've probably not convinced one supposed-enthusiast they were actually clueless.

[Omnilith]

Non-sleepers are indeed detrimental to the thread, but less so than banter about what is or isn't a sleeper. That is, of course, just an opinion.

Let's see more pictures!

[zaYG]

Wut? No, actually. We very much do expect it to be heavily modified. Am I the only one that saw this post? I think this is exactly where the rift begins. Some, at least you, are very much not aware of what a "sleeper" is by its simple definition.

I just checked and even wikipedia got it right. Look it up as I've wasted too much time in here already since Omnilith is right. After 10+ years on here, I've probably not convinced one supposed-enthusiast they were actually clueless.

Visually modified*

I thought that was relatively clear, I'll fix that.

[Omnilith]

Well... maybe.

If I see a clapped-out cut-spring Honda with a chipped, miscolored bodykit and an atrocious wing, I assume it is slow as hell. If suddenly it blows my doors off, I'd be in shock. That's a sleeper of a different color.

That's a grey area though, I understand. The Fairmont in this thread is pretty much the dictionary definition.

[zaYG]

Well... maybe.

If I see a clapped-out cut-spring Honda with a chipped, miscolored bodykit and an atrocious wing, I assume it is slow as hell. If suddenly it blows my doors off, I'd be in shock. That's a sleeper of a different color.

That's a grey area though, I understand. The Fairmont in this thread is pretty much the dictionary definition.

Fairmont

and as I said about the mk2 posted earlier. It is dumped out on stretched tires. Definitely not what most car enthusiasts would consider "fast"...they would actually call it a slow scenester car.

[cabzilla]

Pics? Sounds like a sleeper to me!

stock block gt35r w/ ME7.1

[RQ1]

^ Do you have a video by any chance ?

[hhspunter]

1987 325e (actually, just "325", the most base-model bmw offered at the time... 121hp stock).
































Stock 25-year-old suspension, 195/60-14 tires, Mistubishi Super20G turbo, water-air intercooler, 3" turbo-back exhaust with a Cherry Bomb, 4" long wastegate dump pipe, MS-II with electronic boost control, 2-step launch control/flat shifting, 2.93LSD, auto-to-manual swap, etc. Pulls on slightly-modded LS1 Camaro, and I'll be turning the boost up in the next month or two.

[H Mike]

mine looks very sleeper with the winter wheel/tires. but it has a frankenturbo and many other mods putting it at 230 whp and 280ftlb

[naterkane]

my audi 5k has been accused of being a sleeper... and it would be a lot quicker if i ever got around to swapping in a trans that didn't have 2nd gear syncros that were destroyed by a previous owner.

it's not very fancy... and my valve tick keeps them guessing.

10v motor w/ a 2.1 bar wastegate spring relieving a stock k26, stock down pipe and exhaust. apr diverter (stock one lets boost go at a measly 15lbs), ben swann software, oh, and a 75 shot in the trunk plus SUV grade ride height just to be silly.

[Juiced6]

465whp

[spitfirevr6]

well, this thread is complete now that the "my modded VW walks on Z06 Vettes and CTS-Vs" post has been made.

you don't believe that?


No ones gonna say any thing about the v6 mustang faster than anything with $100k under the hood

[One_Off_Volk]

This is my buddies 91 sentra se-r with a s400 turbo kit. It's all stock with painted alloys and rust all the way down the rockers. Has gone through 7 sets of spark plugs in 2 weeks a true sleeper

[MatchStick]

you don't believe that?


No ones gonna say any thing about the v6 mustang faster than anything with $100k under the hood

what I believe is that he probably meant from a roll. aka, the giant asterisk that accompany's every high powered FWD car's outrageous claims of speed.

[8V Fury]

Thanks for trying to turn this into the DIW thread.
Seriously, unless that thing has at least 3x as much horsepower as stock, you have just failed.


Read above.

That is not true, wake up. It does not need to be 3x the horsepower over stock to be a sleeper. There are other factors such as suspension, how the car is set up, tuned and other factors, which can make a difference.

[Accidental L8 apex]

Visually modified*

I thought that was relatively clear, I'll fix that.

So you agree a heavily modified motor is a prerequisite?

If so, how does that not bolster my point about your's, Barry's and others that have posted stock cars that are simply not fast stock nor modified to be fast? Your Saab, his old Bimmer and the 7.something 0-60 Caddy, really? Someone dares utter those 3 cars within the same sentence as the Fairmont posted?

[MikeSAABt]

Skip to 1:55, I always found it a little amusing.

that thing is nuts!

[Accidental L8 apex]

That is not true, wake up. It does not need to be 3x the horsepower over stock to be a sleeper. There are other factors such as suspension, how the car is set up, tuned and other factors, which can make a difference.

It does if it only came with 102 crank hp. Otherwise, it isn't fast enough to be considered a sleeper. This isn't new, folks. A sleeper to a clapped '88 Caravan isn't really a sleeper since the rest of us live and reside in Realityville and don't race clapped '88 Caravans. Come join us.

[2.0_Mazda]

entertaining thread

[8V Fury]

It does if it only came with 102 crank hp. Otherwise, it isn't fast enough to be considered a sleeper. This isn't new, folks. A sleeper to a clapped '88 Caravan isn't really a sleeper since the rest of us live and reside in Realityville and don't race clapped '88 Caravans. Come join us.

Then to you, almost alot of these cars that people have posted up are not sleepers. So a fox body mustang, that looks stock but with a 572 is a sleeper.
So attention everyone, if you car does not have 3x over stock horsepower, it is not a sleeper and don't post it here, from what Accidental L8 apex is saying.

[Deezy]

The more knowledge one has about cars the less sleepers there are. We all know what's fast and what's not but come on. A mk2 can be a sleeper. Any car can be a sleeper.
sleeper is achieved with stock appearance of a non performance car.

Ford Taurus sho.
Not a sleeper.
Ford Taurus sho de badges.
sleeper

[zaYG]

So you agree a heavily modified motor is a prerequisite?

If so, how does that not bolster my point about your's, Barry's and others that have posted stock cars that are simply not fast stock nor modified to be fast? Your Saab, his old Bimmer and the 7.something 0-60 Caddy, really? Someone dares utter those 3 cars within the same sentence as the Fairmont posted?

No, it doesn't need a heavily modified motor. I'm trying to make the point that a car with a heavily modified exterior usually isn't a sleeper.

And as I said, it is all relative. My Saab is somewhat of a sleeper in the way that it is an Aero but looks like a base model. It isn't a fire breathing monster like the Fairmont, but to most of the people my age who have little experience with cars over 200 hp for the most part, it is a sleeper. Nobody expects it to be that fast out of most people I know.

[zaYG]

It does if it only came with 102 crank hp. Otherwise, it isn't fast enough to be considered a sleeper. This isn't new, folks. A sleeper to a clapped '88 Caravan isn't really a sleeper since the rest of us live and reside in Realityville and don't race clapped '88 Caravans. Come join us.

A stock turbo Caravan is a sleeper, even if it isn't "fast" by your standards.

[MRVW00]

The fact that people assume the average douchebag in a mustang is driving a fast car is why cars like Barrys BMW are sleepers.

I believe this old girl fits the criteria.

I think the kiddies in here forget that the majority of 7-series of the time were the 6 zylinder and the 12's were VERY rare.

The 6's in a big body cars, were as slow as religions accepting gay marriage...

[naterkane]

11 year old 3.2l 4motion Golf

i always wanted to do a GL bumpered R32... ok not true.
r32 pan in a mk4 jetta wagon, but w/ a TT trans (for it's bell housing, naturally) and a tdi.

[eurotekms]

Not mine but..

A guy I know has a 79 fairmont that he put a 4.8 GM truck motor in, then put a turbo the size of a basketball on it, then thew a 75 shot on it.

Cool as ****.


Diggin' that Volvo. Love wagons.


Not sure if I'll call mine a sleeper... I'm sure some of you could think of a more entertaining name.
Recently sold, weekend fun car.

Swapped a lot of the bits ya can't see. Taught suspension, sticky tires.
N/A VR Cab.

[Rapid Decompression]

...does mid 13s in full street trim, and tires. It qualify?

[Accidental L8 apex]

And as I said, it is all relative. My Saab is somewhat of a sleeper in the way that it is an Aero but looks like a base model. It isn't a fire breathing monster like the Fairmont, but to most of the people my age who have little experience with cars over 200 hp for the most part, it is a sleeper. Nobody expects it to be that fast out of most people I know.

You've got enough hidden disclaimers in there don't you?

And you're right, it is all relative, TO THE REAL WORLD.

[flat rate lackey]

700+, his build thread on realhomemadeturbo.com is a good read

[flat rate lackey]

*the red h22 turbo powered accord

[200HP4dr]

Wait, what? Did I miss the point of this thread?

[hhspunter]

Then to you, almost alot of these cars that people have posted up are not sleepers. So a fox body mustang, that looks stock but with a 572 is a sleeper.
So attention everyone, if you car does not have 3x over stock horsepower, it is not a sleeper and don't post it here, from what Accidental L8 apex is saying.

Well, then, my e30 basically qualifies!

[hipster.]

Well, then, my e30 basically qualifies!

A sleeper E30 would be the guy on here that drives a 2jz swapped E30. That thing goes like hell, and I doubt anyone would see it coming.

*EDIT*

Sleepydub's E30

[zaYG]

A sleeper E30 would be the guy on here that drives a 2jz swapped E30. That thing goes like hell, and I doubt anyone would see it coming.

And S52 swapped E30 would be a sleeper too, even if it doesn't have 3x the stock HP

[om617952]

72hp 240D with a 5liter 240hp m117. Not mine.