Split the Diesel Forum!

[vwgtiIII]

I enjoy the open forum to discuss all things diesel but I vote that we break up the TDI and Diesel Forum into multiple subforums for each engine generation.

We already have separate subforums for each of the 20 other VAG engine groups (I counted and left the TSI/TFSI single).

It has become difficult to find topics specific to each generation of diesel, be it the ALH, BEW, etc.

Is anyone else with me?! Voice your opinion here, please.

[antichristonwheels]

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

[Glegor]

I enjoy the open forum to discuss all things diesel but I vote that we break up the TDI and Diesel Forum into multiple subforums for each engine generation.

We already have separate subforums for each of the 20 other VAG engine groups (I counted and left the TSI/TFSI single).

It has become difficult to find topics specific to each generation of diesel, be it the ALH, BEW, etc.

Is anyone else with me?! Voice your opinion here, please.

well, we would need a group for all the IDIs, being that there are still lots of us around, maybe more of us than those wanting to mod their TDIs..

then we would need a TDI section..

then 1st/2nd generation TDI subsection

and a PD sub section

and a common rail sub section..

so, its easier to just have a DIESEL section..

[vwgtiIII]

Really? Nobody thinks this would be useful?



I don't think splitting it up into 20 subforums for all of the 20yr old motors would be useful. Hell, you'd have a separate forum for each running example left today. I would be looking for a break with the modern variants to better aggregate resources for the ALH, PD, etc.

Newer members likely don't care about the older models and it may drive some readers away to other sources (TDIClub...). The TDI is no longer a rare engine. There are thousands of new owners each year. A subforum to compile FAQs, tutorials, tips, tricks, mods, etc would be nice instead of a mix & match between the new models and decades-old models.

[Jet_Fuel_Jetta]

I agree. I always wondered why all diesel were lumped into one forum. Split them up.

[tjsean0308]

it would be nice to find info on my IDI engine by itself. I am just getting into VW diesels, been around the newer cummins qsb and the like, but info on my old gal is difficult for this NOOB to find here. for example the intermediate, shaft tool made by a forum member, been on here a few months just had my engine torn apart for a head gasket and would have loved to have done those as well, but didn't know that tool existed until today.

maybe just three sub sections, IDI, TDI and common rails?

but what do I know I'm just a NOOB.

[fastinradford]

well, we would need a group for all the IDIs, being that there are still lots of us around, maybe more of us than those wanting to mod their TDIs..

then we would need a TDI section..

then 1st/2nd generation TDI subsection

and a PD sub section

and a common rail sub section..

so, its easier to just have a DIESEL section..

then we would have a bunch of forums like.... all the different gas engines...

idi and common rail share NOTHING.
give diesel the respect gasoline already has.

[Glegor]

well, if enough of us bitch about it, maybe something will be done..

[Estacaco]

Agreed, Diesels should be split instead of lumped. So much useless (to what I'm doing/looking for) information to sift through....

[Glegor]

Myself personally, i couldnt care less, all the REAL info i need are to be found @ VWdiesel.net...

they are grouped into different engine categories..

[fastinradford]

Myself personally, i couldnt care less, all the REAL info i need are to be found @ VWdiesel.net...

they are grouped into different engine categories..

if that is the preferred website, then should not vortex adapt to be better, to get more people and more $

[Glegor]

if that is the preferred website, then should not vortex adapt to be better, to get more people and more $

there are TOO MANY STUPID PEOPLE on the whoretex, soo many that it will never catch up to what VWdiesel.net already has..

too many people asking how to mod their mid 80s TDI Jettas..

LMFAO..

[fastinradford]

there are TOO MANY STUPID PEOPLE on the whoretex, soo many that it will never catch up to what VWdiesel.net already has..

too many people asking how to mod their mid 80s TDI Jettas..

LMFAO..

sir, you cannot tell a lie,

[vwgtiIII]

there are TOO MANY STUPID PEOPLE on the whoretex, soo many that it will never catch up to what VWdiesel.net already has..

too many people asking how to mod their mid 80s TDI Jettas..

LMFAO..

I disagree. We have some fantastic posters in the tech and generation specific forums. Sure, there are dumb threads out there but regardless of which forum they are in, they die soon enough (sometimes in a fit of glory!).

Still. I really think it is about time to split the forum into useable chunks. I posted this topic with the hope that enough conversation would be generated that it would happen.

So what do we do to attract moderator attention enough to get them to ponder the question? Post bewbies? Dolan comics?

[theman53]

I say split them...MAIN REASON= MOST not all, MOST of the MKIV and up crowd that didn't know what MKIV means or ever had a VW before the MKIV... have absolutely NO CLUE and clutter the Diesel section with threads like. "Is swapping a .685 gear worth it" "how many psi do you hold with a 17/22" Or "where does this wire go" AND never listen to a darn thing that anyone posts in offer to help. One thread I remember I finally posted a poster that said "Never go full retard" with a retarded looking kid and a horse, because the guy was such an idiot. Just seems like the guys that have owned older VW's and are real enthusiasts are what this and other forums need. Of course you don't need to have a website to be an enthusiast, or have owned at least one vw from 1970 or older...It would be nice to attract some enthusiasts, somehow.

So in review, if we can get most of the current and post MKIV crowd, that have no clue, into a separate forum that would be awesome.

[asal]

also a relative noob to the Diesel section of vortex. (me and my common rail).

In the forefront, in reading about diesels in general, I kind of like that everything is lumped together so i can learn about all the engines, issues people are having, and it makes it feel like we are one big diesel community.

That being said, I'd also like to easily get info related to my CR engine, which I can't do now unless I do a custom search, and if we did split it up by generation I could easily drill down into the other sections to learn more about other gen stuff

I' support the "Diesel Split 2012" wait i hate politics.

[theman53]

What about keeping the diesel section but having stickys to each engine platform???

[flowmastergfunk]

maybe just three sub sections, IDI, TDI and common rails?

Even if the common rail was put into its own section it would clean things up quite a bit. I too frequent VWdiesel.net but the vortex will always have a place in my heart. The MAIN reason I don't spend as much time here is because it is all in one silly forum. Even if it was only split into 2 or 3 by generation, I think it would be much less cluttered.

[WhiteWhiskey13]

Would be nice to have things seperated, I seem to find many other forums with Idi info are old and filled with dead links and pictures. It would be nice to start fresh here on the Vortex...

[Glegor]

Would be nice to have things seperated, I seem to find many other forums with Idi info are old and filled with dead links and pictures. It would be nice to start fresh here on the Vortex...

then go to vwdiesel.net, theres lots of fresh topics, and lots of working pics!

[vwgtiIII]

What about keeping the diesel section but having stickys to each engine platform???

Well then you end up with a 200 page thread full of miscellaneous topics separated by engine generation. Two dozen separate threads about each generation is infinitely more useable than a single thread dozens of times lengthier.

[snowyroads]

Maybe IDI and TDI but this forum moves slow enough anyway that i'd say its fine the way it is.

Post most any help thread in mk3 and ittl be page 3 in hours

[JDuval]

Maybe IDI and TDI but this forum moves slow enough anyway that i'd say its fine the way it is.

Post most any help thread in mk3 and ittl be page 3 in hours

This.
Maybe it would be useful if we had more regular activity in here, but I doubt we even get a page of new posts per day. I'd love to see our diesel community grow, side vwdiesel.net doesn't work with tapatalk...and tapatalk is mighty convenient; but I don't think a separation of the forum will help it grow.

[theman53]

NOT TRUE... the GTD is now fully supporting Crappatalk or whatever. I saw it in the general or faq section.

I still think if there was a section for retards that think they know it all but are still asking elementary VW questions would be nice here though...but then knowing that type even if there were 50 sections with stickys about every common issue they would still ask something like "how do I block the wastegate in my stock 04 TDI for more boost"...in the IDI stection to boot.

[JDuval]

Well would you look at that. It does work. The option just doesn't pop up when opening the forum in safari.
Goodbye vortex diesel forum I joke. I would like it if our activity increased. I've had a number of threads go entirely unanswered in here.

[vwgtiIII]

[vwgtiIII]

So today I was wondering about the long term reliability of a tune on my CR diesel. I'm sure there are thread(s) about it already but whoaaaa go figure, I'd have to search for them.

Pretty sure things like this are super quick and easy to find in all of the other gasser forums..

[mk2_Carat]

then go to vwdiesel.net, theres lots of fresh topics, and lots of working pics!

would join there but it says registration is closed

[theman53]

http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=30622.0

Not closed, just modded so we don't get the bots and spam like we used to.

[mk2_Carat]

Ah, guess I should have searched a little more. Email sent, thanks for the heads up.

[punkvideo81]

I support splitting it up, would be a lot easier to look up IDI info vs. TDI info

[whoabeats]

Definitely a good idea to split up by engine type. I am a regular member for cummins forum and their setup is split up between engine types. TDI club is awful to navigate due to their old school setup and half the people have a stick up their butt and try to out snob one another. VWdiesel.net is an awesome place to get info.

[MXTHOR3]

Definitely a good idea to split up by engine type. I am a regular member for cummins forum and their setup is split up between engine types. TDI club is awful to navigate due to their old school setup and half the people have a stick up their butt and try to out snob one another. VWdiesel.net is an awesome place to get info.

TDIClub is done via MY, not engine type. I really have no idea why you find it so hard to 'navigate'...

[Guack007]

I vote to split this up too for the same reason most here stated, it is annoying to have to look through dozens of threads to find one that applies to my engine. Even if they just split it into 3 or 4 categories it would help a lot.

IMO it seems like the majority of posts are either:
CR based diesels
PD based diesels
Other

I'm sure there are a few other good categories I've missed but splitting into at least these 3 would be a welcomed change.

For christ sake they split the 2.0T into TSI and FSI and those 2 motors have alot more in common then the older 1.9TDI and current 2.0TDI do.

[Loud]

The point is, if I was the sponsor of the diesel forum I would want vortex to be bending over to increase activity so I get some value for my money, as it is they just let this forum flounder and nothing happens here. Maybe tdiclub or vwdiesel pays them off to keep it this way more than Malone pays to sponsor it.

Also as part of the younger generation that the older generation on here just loves to hate, think of ten, twenty, thirty years ago when you were that moron who didn't know a turbo from a tire. How the hell are we supposed to learn if no one offers any advice or guidance, of course we'll learn from mistakes, but we come here to avoid them in the first place. Sincerely - a mk4 kid

Split up this forum so we can actually use it, please!