mk2 Rocco 16v swap vs 8v turbo! Need some tips and answers

[runvdub]

So, to start off my build, ive got a few questions.

Should I run my original 8v and put a callaway turbo on it or do a 16v swap.
If i do the 16v, do i need a scirocco motor or can i get one from a gli/gti/passat since the airbox is reversed?

Gonna leave the rest of the car as it sits except for wheels and suspension.
I was focused on some low end coilovers(rokkor etc.) and running 15x8 et.10 but pretty concerned on the fitment for the front. Any suggestions what a good wheel fitment withough running flairs?

LOOKING TO GET INTO THIS AND ORDER PARTS TMRW

this is my car...


And wanting this sort of fitment with these same wheels

[Rocco_julie]

Long, long before placing orders you should get Corky Bells Turbo book and LEARN.
No offence, but it is a big undertaking and a few resonses will most likely get you into something that can't be built.
Not being hard on you, just trying to give good advice.

Q's like your driving style, the existing suspension and brakes, the number & types of tools you have are all important. I welded my intercooling pipes and down pipe, but not all can.

Sit back, read, ask questions and take it slow, then build it right.

And... Have fun!

[nickbukowy]

as julie said, get a lot of information first and know what you are getting into, i spent almost 2 months figuring out how i was going to build mine, still even though i have figured out a set up i want to do, i still read up on more different set ups, just to see if i can find some thing else that would be a little more suitable to my set up

[runvdub]

Long, long before placing orders you should get Corky Bells Turbo book and LEARN.
No offence, but it is a big undertaking and a few resonses will most likely get you into something that can't be built.
Not being hard on you, just trying to give good advice.

Q's like your driving style, the existing suspension and brakes, the number & types of tools you have are all important. I welded my intercooling pipes and down pipe, but not all can.

Sit back, read, ask questions and take it slow, then build it right.

And... Have fun!

I was expecting responses like this. As i did with my mk2 gti as well as when i was looking into a caddy and im regretting that i didnt. I found a cheap local daily driver that has potential for what im looking to do. Been on vortex so much the past two weeks trying to get more of an understanding. Id like to start off with an engine and rebuild it separately so i know what im dealing with before i get into anything already in a car. But thanks for the tip ill defly be looking into that as well. Im learning more and more everytime i look things up.

as julie said, get a lot of information first and know what you are getting into, i spent almost 2 months figuring out how i was going to build mine, still even though i have figured out a set up i want to do, i still read up on more different set ups, just to see if i can find some thing else that would be a little more suitable to my set up

In my mind ive got two general ideas but its unreal how many smaller details there are within them. Again thanks for the advice. I just really need a physical item to get motivated and actually know what im dealing with. Thats why my main concern now is if i can use a gli 16v bc there is one locally for a fair price id like to pick up

[Rocco_julie]

Well dont take my comments poorly.
I've have seen lots of comments like yours that end up badly. So please dont take it badly. If your willing to put in the effort, then you can expect some good support here.

Thrasher has a thread on here about his build, mine is here:
http://scirocco.menloparkrandd.com

The pages are being rebuilt, sorry, but there is a fair bit of the work done on my car. I show the building of the down pipe and the new section is the 9A, a 2L 16v bored over 40 and the CR dropped to 9.5:1 with forged pistons.

BTW. Love your car!

[runvdub]

Well dont take my comments poorly.
I've have seen lots of comments like yours that end up badly. So please dont take it badly. If your willing to put in the effort, then you can expect some good support here.

Thrasher has a thread on here about his build, mine is here:
http://scirocco.menloparkrandd.com

The pages are being rebuilt, sorry, but there is a fair bit of the work done on my car. I show the building of the down pipe and the new section is the 9A, a 2L 16v bored over 40 and the CR dropped to 9.5:1 with forged pistons.

BTW. Love your car!

I am here to learn, no doubt about that haha. 2.0 16v with 9a bottom is what im most likely gonna end up getting into. But thanks! its hopefully going to be the start of a large collection of A1's. That candy apple red? youve got on the intake manifold is gorgeous

[nickbukowy]

i remember that build thread, i freaking loved it

[Rocco_julie]

Mars Red. It really stands out in a parking lot

The machinists just thought I was some geek engineer working up front who couldn't handle a tool.
Now I am the only engineer that they take on their side

I learned a lot on the old Scirocco list and here as well.
All new digital dash this year as well asn the new motor..
man its a beast!

[runvdub]

Mars Red. It really stands out in a parking lot

The machinists just thought I was some geek engineer working up front who couldn't handle a tool.
Now I am the only engineer that they take on their side

I learned a lot on the old Scirocco list and here as well.
All new digital dash this year as well asn the new motor..
man its a beast!

Nothing better than completing another project i bet

[85roccoZ400]

Gonna leave the rest of the car as it sits except for wheels and suspension.
I was focused on some low end coilovers(rokkor etc.) and running 15x8 et.10 but pretty concerned on the fitment for the front. Any suggestions what a good wheel fitment withough running flairs?

Good looking car for starters!

As far as your question on wheel fitment, 15x8 ET10 is going to be next to impossible in the front without some fender modifications. Even at a 15x8 ET25 you might not be happy with the fitment.

[runvdub]

Good looking car for starters!

As far as your question on wheel fitment, 15x8 ET10 is going to be next to impossible in the front without some fender modifications. Even at a 15x8 ET25 you might not be happy with the fitment.

Thanks! I think The fitment would be perfect in the rear but way to much poke up front, youre right. Ive been trying to find some 7.5 et25 but very limited choices, even in 15x7. Hoping to find something interesting at the shows coming up here soon

[euroteknique]

So, to start off my build, ive got a few questions.

Should I run my original 8v and put a callaway turbo on it or do a 16v swap.
If i do the 16v, do i need a scirocco motor or can i get one from a gli/gti/passat since the airbox is reversed?

my .02
forget calaway most of the time the parts are way to expensive
you can buy other parts from other vw's that will work for way less $$$

plus an 8v turbo kit can be made for cheap. and even cheaper if you can make some of your own parts. fuel management is where you need to do research. do you go mega squirt, digifant-1 from a g60, you can do digi-2 with a chip but better off with digi-1, some other stand alone. you can go calaway fueling. I have seen somewhere someone did volvo.

[runvdub]

my .02
forget calaway most of the time the parts are way to expensive
you can buy other parts from other vw's that will work for way less $$$

plus an 8v turbo kit can be made for cheap. and even cheaper if you can make some of your own parts. fuel management is where you need to do research. do you go mega squirt, digifant-1 from a g60, you can do digi-2 with a chip but better off with digi-1, some other stand alone. you can go calaway fueling. I have seen somewhere someone did volvo.

I was looking into the callaway because i found a fairly priced kit that is complete minus fuel management and the fact that itd be a period correct turbo for the car. Ive always had quick cars and having a motorcycle doesnt help. So im looking for a boost in power and im not sure if the 8vT will have enough kick. Thats why Im pretty interested in a 16v

[euroteknique]

I was looking into the callaway because i found a fairly priced kit that is complete minus fuel management and the fact that itd be a period correct turbo for the car. Ive always had quick cars and having a motorcycle doesnt help. So im looking for a boost in power and im not sure if the 8vT will have enough kick. Thats why Im pretty interested in a 16v

with out fueling don't bother that's the part you really need the rest can be bought new cheap.
I can build a turbo kit in my sleep. its the fueling that's the hard part.

the 8v will have enough power if you want it to. sure the 16v could have more but how much power are you talking about?

you want 250hp sure no problem you want 500 well lets try another motor first it would be cheaper and easier.

[runvdub]

with out fueling don't bother that's the part you really need the rest can be bought new cheap.
I can build a turbo kit in my sleep. its the fueling that's the hard part.

the 8v will have enough power if you want it to. sure the 16v could have more but how much power are you talking about?

you want 250hp sure no problem you want 500 well lets try another motor first it would be cheaper and easier.

I have read a lot about people using volvo fuel systems. If i could get anything around 200hp id be happy with that bc it will be a daily driver. I just love the look of the 16v intake mani but seems that an 8vT can look a lot more tidy under the hood.

I know the 8v is a lot easier to work on until you add a turbo and the 16v seems tricky as it is just to rebuild and swap

[nickbukowy]

That's why I'm going with a 2.0 8vt, it's easier to work on, less things to go wrong, and a little cheaper to build. In my books I think the more simple it is the better

[runvdub]

That's why I'm going with a 2.0 8vt, it's easier to work on, less things to go wrong, and a little cheaper to build. In my books I think the more simple it is the better

Honestly just started looking into rebeuilt 2.0 8v haha. Its starting to spark my interest but i still think i'd get the callaway for it if i went 8vT. Will defly be an easier* setup IMO

[euroteknique]

how much is the kit?

[runvdub]

how much is the kit?

For the callaway with intercooler, turbo, piping, gaskets, etc. I can pick it up for just under $1k but still has no fuel system.