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      09-16-2013 10:49 PM #806
      Damn , my car needs a windshield and 3 dyno pulls all i need to be able to race . guess i gonna have to wait for next one. Import faceoff . (trackdays at AMP and Road ALT in the mean time)

      i'll prob register for the car show ,so i can park inside lol
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      09-18-2013 08:34 AM #807
      Cool. Like I said, just look for me at the booth. If my car is not there, I will be on the track.
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      09-20-2013 08:56 AM #808
      Car goes to the track after work today. I am upping the boost to about 20 psi and will be shaking it down a little bit tonight. It is supposed to rain all weekend, but I am hoping that it holds out long enough to get a bunch of passes in.
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      09-24-2013 10:41 PM #809
      WELLLLLLLLLL. I had a freaking blast at NOPI. The car pulled nice and hard, but my driving prevented me from doing well. The tires hooked harder then I thought. They hooked right away and the car bogged down on both runs. Here is some video.

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      09-24-2013 10:43 PM #810
      And some pictures from eliminations courtesy of Ironside Racing Photography!!!!



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      09-24-2013 11:09 PM #811
      Saw the pics on Facebook! Lookin' good!
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      09-24-2013 11:14 PM #812
      I have been promoting the heck out of the car being there. I got a lot of positive feedback at the race. There were many little kids who wanted their picture taken next to it with the blue lights on. lolol.
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      09-24-2013 11:23 PM #813
      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      I have been promoting the heck out of the car being there. I got a lot of positive feedback at the race. There were many little kids who wanted their picture taken next to it with the blue lights on. lolol.
      I bet they did! That's cool as hell man! Keep up the good work
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    9. 09-24-2013 11:58 PM #814
      Very cool!

      What kind of times were you running?
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      09-25-2013 06:45 AM #815
      Definitely need launch control and NLS

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      09-25-2013 08:10 AM #816
      The first day it rained so we did not get any qualifying runs in. Sunday they only let us have 1 qualifying run. The first run I launched at about 4000 rpm's and it bogged down and ran 15 second 1/8 mile because the boost did not come back quick enough. My first elimination round I launched at about 4500 rpm and it did the same thing. I quickly realized that I am going to have to launch at about 5500-6000 rpm, but I was already out at this time. The qualifying round I went 1/8 mile in 12 seconds at about 72 mph. Next time 2 step will be activated at about 5500 rpm and I might even use the nls too.
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    12. 09-25-2013 08:17 AM #817
      Launch control will certainly help. Where were you shifting? Seems very early since you were able to get into 5th by the end of your run.

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      09-25-2013 09:08 AM #818
      I tried to shift at around 6000 rpm each gear. I think a couple of gears I shifted before. I have to work on it. Next Friday I am going to try to get to the track for a test'n'tune night and work on it some more.
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      09-25-2013 10:43 AM #819
      You should not be shifting at 6k rpm my friend

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      09-25-2013 11:15 AM #820
      Maybe a shift light would help.

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      09-25-2013 11:40 AM #821
      Where do I need to be shifting at?
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      09-25-2013 11:50 AM #822
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      Car looks good, except why is the hood a little bit off kilter?

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      09-25-2013 11:53 AM #823
      Yea, I need to realign the hood. So basically, on the dyno figure out where optimal torque is and shift there.
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      09-25-2013 12:02 PM #824
      Do you still have a passenger seat? Maybe you can get a seasoned veteran to sit in and give you some lessons.
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    20. 09-25-2013 12:16 PM #825
      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      Yea, I need to realign the hood. So basically, on the dyno figure out where optimal torque is and shift there.
      You want to shift a little bit past where you make peak power. You don't want to be over revving as horsepower begins to decrease drastically past a certain point. I myself shift at around 7000-7200. With a 2.0 and an f23 peak power and torque will happen sooner than me, but 7000 is a good starting point. You can play around with it and see what the car prefers (later/earlier shifting).

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      09-25-2013 12:48 PM #826
      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      So basically, on the dyno figure out where optimal torque is and shift there.

      You have to consider HP and when you shift the next gear you want that gear to be at peak tq or after (since you are a turbo car). I'd shift closer to 7000-7200 but without seeing a dyno I am not sure.

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      09-25-2013 04:53 PM #827
      i was there . was happy to see it on the track

      you do need a lot of practice doh.

      First 1/4 run was like 17.xx doh .
      im sure with practice you ll get it

      i was planning on running the mk2 at ''test n tune'' . waited all freaking day . couldn't wait anymore . left at 5pm
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      09-26-2013 08:02 AM #828
      With how late things were due to having to do qualifying and eliminations in one day I was surprised they even got it in that evening. I know I need a lot of practice though.
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    24. 09-26-2013 08:47 AM #829
      Find a safe place to practice launching where the cops won't bust you
      It appeared you weren't revving the engine up enough and for long enough before dumping the clutch to get a good launch. I typically will rev the engine to around 4k and hold it there until the christmas tree turns green and then dump the clutch. It obviously takes some practice to keep from spinning the tires to death which Is why you want to heat the tires up prior to launching. Good to see the car made it out and got some runs under its belt
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      09-26-2013 10:56 AM #830
      Right now I am still working on something for the car that will help it out in the power department. Until it is finalized next week, I am still keeping it under wraps. The launching practice will have to hold off until after that is done. After that is done, I am going to try to get it to the track on a weekly or bi-weekly basis until the track closes for the year.
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      10-01-2013 08:47 AM #831
      Best shot of the weekend, courtesy of www.boostedatlanta.com

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      10-01-2013 12:59 PM #832
      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      Right now I am still working on something for the car that will help it out in the power department. Until it is finalized next week, I am still keeping it under wraps. The launching practice will have to hold off until after that is done.
      You have more than enough hardware to run deep in the 12's. Adding more power won't help you with launching. Only practice will, and constantly changing the setup makes making any headway hard due to inconsistencies from practice session to session.

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      10-01-2013 01:29 PM #833
      Quote Originally Posted by 20v master View Post
      You have more than enough hardware to run deep in the 12's. Adding more power won't help you with launching. Only practice will, and constantly changing the setup makes making any headway hard due to inconsistencies from practice session to session.
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      10-01-2013 01:52 PM #834
      What clutch the car? What front brakes are on the car?

      You should get a real set of wheels and tires and cut a 1.7 sixty foot every pass.. get the most out of what you built.

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      10-01-2013 02:17 PM #835
      Quote Originally Posted by JC@DouglasVW View Post
      You should get a real set of wheels and tires
      His wheels were given to him by a sponsor and he is obligated to run them until the end of the contract. A bunch of us have already made that comment to him.

      However, I would encourage him to ask that sponsor if he can use their wheels for 'show' but then have a set of drag slicks for the 'go'.
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      10-01-2013 02:24 PM #836
      Quote Originally Posted by JC@DouglasVW View Post
      What clutch the car? What front brakes are on the car?

      You should get a real set of wheels and tires and cut a 1.7 sixty foot every pass.. get the most out of what you built.
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      His wheels were given to him by a sponsor and he is obligated to run them until the end of the contract. A bunch of us have already made that comment to him.

      However, I would encourage him to ask that sponsor if he can use their wheels for 'show' but then have a set of drag slicks for the 'go'.
      He also has a set of large Alcon brakes up front that will also limit the rim size he'll be able to run.
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      10-01-2013 02:49 PM #837
      Quote Originally Posted by T-Boy View Post
      He also has a set of large Alcon brakes up front that will also limit the rim size he'll be able to run.
      Which again, aren't necessary for a drag application.
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      10-01-2013 04:01 PM #838
      I have to run the brakes due to sponsorship stuff. I am not adding more power to my current setup. I should have rephrased that. My car is going somewhere to be professionally dyno tuned by a company that has been around for a long time. When it is done there I will be able to really test her on the track and learn to launch better. My aluminum FFE mounts are going in as well. I finally foud a set of VF's for them. I would say by November I should be able to have it on the track full power and not a safe tune due to sensor issues.
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      10-01-2013 04:05 PM #839
      I was thinking about asking about the race rims up front when I drag, if I can find a really light set of 18's or 19's for racing that would not add the roational mass that my current 19's have. As t-stated though I still have the heavier 4-pot 355mm brakes that add to that mass. In time it will have everything it will need and be a real contender. For now, I am happy that I can get out to the track with my car and talk to kids about the program and get them off the street.
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      10-04-2013 12:14 PM #840
      I FINALLY found a set of vf's!!!!!!!!!! I will be paying for them and getting them installed soon with the inserts.
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