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    Thread: Beat the Heat Frankenturbo F23 Drag Build

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      05-22-2013 08:04 AM #576
      still don't get it ....

      fully built engine running an F23 ?
      drag car with those huge wheels ?


      maybe for auto x ???

      with a BT and some real drag slicks .. it really would be a monster

      ever thought about buying a used Hx35 or Hx40 for about $150 bucks . Sending it to Doug to have it re built for you ?
      that way , you can still use his name
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      05-22-2013 08:13 AM #577
      Quote Originally Posted by BR_337 View Post
      still don't get it ....

      fully built engine running an F23 ?
      drag car with those huge wheels ?


      maybe for auto x ???

      with a BT and some real drag slicks .. it really would be a monster

      ever thought about buying a used Hx35 or Hx40 for about $150 bucks . Sending it to Doug to have it re built for you ?
      that way , you can still use his name
      ^^^^^^^^^
      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      I am running with what companies helped me out with. I could not have done it without the companies that helped me out. Yes I have big brakes and big wheels that are not typical for a drag car, but you will see once it is all done that even though some of it is not drag specific it will be a very unique drag car for a very unique program. I am sure once I get to the higher horsepower I will upgrade more stuff to drag specific, but that time is not right now.

      I would actually think that it looking like a street monster would help it out and show kids that you can have more fun on the track and be a lot more safe. That was my goal coming into this. Have something different that will grab kids attention to get them to come to the track. Just because you have wheels doesn't mean you can't race.
      If you read the thread, it will all make sense.
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      05-22-2013 08:18 AM #578
      It is all good. I do not mind a little heated discussion about it all. Makes the mind think and gives me ideas for the future.
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      05-22-2013 08:21 AM #579
      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      It is all good. I do not mind a little heated discussion about it all. Makes the mind think and gives me ideas for the future.
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    5. 05-22-2013 09:45 AM #580
      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      It is all good. I do not mind a little heated discussion about it all. Makes the mind think and gives me ideas for the future.
      I kind of understand why some people are puzzled by some of the things in the build, especially those that have been at the strip and know what works and doesn't. The build is a dedicated drag car with a pretty decent job on the motor. It's just weird when there is that much attention to details with the motor and random R-comps are slapped on big boat-anchors.

      I'm very familiar with the R-comps you have, and they have super stiff sidewalls (for cornering purposes), but that's the opposite of what you want for drag launches. On top of that, despite their low threadwear rating, they need some heat to start gripping and you will not get them to operating temp until after the start (by the time you're at your next pass, they'll be ice cold). It's kind of like using bowling shoes to go play basketball, it will work but not ideal and counterproductive when your building from scratch. Same goes for the wheels, they are working against you when they should be working for you... you may as well just sell or trade them for something more suitable for the job.
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      05-22-2013 09:52 AM #581
      I understand everything you are pointing out and I actually really appreciate the input, but I cannot due to reasons I cannot stipulate on here. Stasis was the only company willing to help me get rid of my Audi A8L rep cement blocks. Now, in the future that is a different story. I plan on getting actual drag wheels with actual drag tires. You all will just have to come out to the track in Georgia and see how you fair against me on the track.
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      05-22-2013 10:31 AM #582
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      05-22-2013 10:51 AM #583
      15 inch rims can be had for like 50 bux. Or you can find used drag radials or slicks for cheap on here. In the end, I think your brakes will need to be changed. Make sure you do a 3rd gear burnout to heat cycle those current tires, otherwise it's like Max said, waste of time. You'll be surprised how much they spin due to sidewall being so stiff GL

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      05-22-2013 11:00 AM #584
      You won't see me on the street.

      Thanks for the information about the tires. I was curious how much heat it would take to get them sticky.
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      05-22-2013 11:39 AM #585
      I have a brake setup that'll fit 16's.
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    11. 05-22-2013 12:30 PM #586
      Quote Originally Posted by 18T_BT View Post
      15 inch rims can be had for like 50 bux. Or you can find used drag radials or slicks for cheap on here. In the end, I think your brakes will need to be changed. Make sure you do a 3rd gear burnout to heat cycle those current tires, otherwise it's like Max said, waste of time. You'll be surprised how much they spin due to sidewall being so stiff GL
      People have tried to get these to temp with a burnout, but that doesn't work!

      The compound in these tires will get hot quickly enough (a 3 sec burnout is plenty), however they also loose heat in a hurry. By the time you're staged and ready to roll, the heat from the burnout is long gone.
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      05-22-2013 01:11 PM #587
      It will definitely make for some interesting runs to see how they fare with my car.
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      05-22-2013 01:48 PM #589
      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      Honestly, I am hoping for 13's. I am getting solid aluminum mounts and hopefully custom pre-loaded and dampened suspension as well to help with the wheel hop.
      The more you modify the suspension the more wheel hop will disappear. My car came stock with 18's and when I first got it the wheel-hop was horrible, but by switching to the R32 suspension components w/ stiff spring/shock combo its eliminated. Unfortunetly I did most of the mods at once so I can't say for sure what element (LSD, control arms, R32 ksports,dogbone) did the trick. This was back when I was running a k04 as well, lots of low end torque and rolling burnout goodness.
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      05-22-2013 01:49 PM #590
      Lolol. I am sure Carlos could make that happen. Thank god he made me multiples. I am not the best with applying them.
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      05-22-2013 01:51 PM #591
      I am hoping to get custom drag suspension from Bilstein. I was in contact with them last year, but have not heard anything back from them. I know they can customize the spring rates, dampening and pre-load.
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      05-22-2013 06:16 PM #592
      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      I am hoping to get custom drag suspension from Bilstein. I was in contact with them last year, but have not heard anything back from them. I know they can customize the spring rates, dampening and pre-load.
      Really stiff coils like H&R RSS will do just as fine.

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      05-22-2013 10:02 PM #593
      Figures there is no contact email for h and r on their website.
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      05-22-2013 10:41 PM #594
      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      Figures there is no contact email for h and r on their website.
      Possibly try obtaining one through a distributor?
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      05-22-2013 10:51 PM #595
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    21. 05-22-2013 11:34 PM #596
      Quote Originally Posted by formerly silveratljetta View Post
      Really stiff coils like H&R RSS will do just as fine.
      Not enough low speed rebound in the front (1-3 Hz region), and not enough rear compression (also in the low speed region of the valving).

      Quote Originally Posted by Beat the Heat View Post
      Figures there is no contact email for h and r on their website.
      If you're going to go with custom spring and valving, then call Ramone at Bilstein California. The RSS are nothing but Bilstein inverted monotubes with H&R hardware (springs, collars and adjusters) with a more aggressive revalve geared for autobahn type environment. H&R doesn't offer revalving on them either, so you have to go to Bilstein California anyway. Personally, I'd get Ramone (the rebuild/revalve shop manager) and talk to him about getting a set of PSS custom valved with appropriate spring rates for the use of the car. If you need help with proper spring rate selection and valving recommendation, I'll gladly help you.
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      05-23-2013 07:56 AM #597
      Thanks for the information. Do you have a contact email for him or phone number? If so send me a PM with it. I was dealing with Jose Gonzalez out in Bilstein California, but as I said before, no response from him.
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      05-26-2013 01:59 PM #598
      I am impatiently waiting on the rest of my stuff. haha!!!

      Monday or Tuesday I will be plastic dipping my hood and prepping the car for all the department decals the next week.
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      05-28-2013 10:09 PM #599
      I got the hood sprayed today. Installed it on the car and realized it needed about one more coat. I will get that done tomorrow. Put the front radiator clip on and then realized that it makes more sense to take it back off to put the tranny fluid in. I do not want to put it in when it is jacked up since it will not be level. Took the oem fenders off and hoping my ffe front clip comes in.
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      05-29-2013 01:05 PM #600
      Onto something different right now. I have read numerous different stories about break in periods and what kind of oil to use. This is what I have gathered.

      1st startup to warmup: 5w30 non synthetic (change immediately after warm up)
      200-300 miles: 15w40 non synthetic (run car underload and weighed down with low boost)
      0w40 or 5w40 synthetic: Racing

      This is where I am confused. Because I installed a new clutch it says not to run the car hard for the sst 500. How do I do break the clutch in as well as the engine without messing anything up.
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