6 speed transmission shudder

[boreal]

I had the transmission replaced last fall under warranty. the VW rebuilt unit was 09L 300 035 PX. When unit was replaced the dealer used G 060 162 A2 as the fluid. Was that the right oil? Shouldn't they have used the upgraded G 055162 A2 and the new reflash? The shudder has started to return and I am off of warranty.

[invisiblewave]

If it was a VW remanufactured unit, wouldn't that part come with its own warranty?

[boreal]

This is where the fun starts. The dealer used the oil that was listed for the transmission on the ETKA parts system. Shouldn't they have used the upgraded oil and the flash that is mentioned in the VW Tech Tip?? I just want to be sure I have all my ducks in a row before I call them. If I have to pay for new oil, I can handle it, but I just want to be fairly sure it will cure the shakes.

[invisiblewave]

This transmission thing on the V8 is a bloody nightmare. I really want to change the fluid on mine, but I just don't have anybody nearby that I trust to do it. Do you have a copy of the tech tip document that you can post?

[tomasty]

This is where the fun starts. The dealer used the oil that was listed for the transmission on the ETKA parts system. Shouldn't they have used the upgraded oil and the flash that is mentioned in the VW Tech Tip?? I just want to be sure I have all my ducks in a row before I call them. If I have to pay for new oil, I can handle it, but I just want to be fairly sure it will cure the shakes.

Hi Boreal,

Sorry to hear your experience, this is almost what I went through 6 months ago, you can find my horror experience here, I hope you have enough patience to read through all of it (2 pages, 55 posts)as you will get a lot of useful information there:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...n-(Please-Help!)

Good luck to you is all I can say at this point.

Tomas

[invisiblewave]

What's the latest news on your transmission, Tomas? I'm pretty sure I'm going to have the fluid changed on mine when it goes in for the 90k service shortly. I have a year to run on the warranty, so I figure now's the time to do it.

[tomasty]

Hi Invisiblewave,

I would have to say it never shifts the same anymore. But I am trying to learn to live with it.

I would cross my fingers for you, I would suggest you read through my posts and gather as much info as you can and then ask them for a quote, if they used G060162A2 and didn't mention the double drain and TCM flush, they don't know what they are doing, use the information in my post to confront them.

But hey, don't let me ruin your day, my experience might be just a specific dealer related issue which caused by incorrect service, you may have a better luck!

Good luck!

Tomas

[invisiblewave]

Any chance you can list a concise procedure? I had a look at the thread and it's confusing! Which fluid should be used, what the double-flush procedure is, and whether the software needs to be updated??

[perfrej]

If you were in Europe, I'd say: "How about a nice drive to Dortmund and Herr Sagert? They should be able to cure it."

Now, how about just a call to them and try to find out what to use that way? They did make the box...

/p

[tomasty]

OK lazy people (just kidding),

This is only from my experience and according to my understanding, so please use your own judgment as well.

Phaeton’s transmission ZF 6HP-19A, is very sensitive to ATF. the part number in ETKA got updated at one point, it is now showing as G060162A2, but the original factory filled ATF is not G060162A2, and VW didn’t bother to notify the dealer that this change took place. And once you changed the ATF, Since the usual way for dealer to change ATF is to drop the pan, drain the fluid, and replace the filter can only get rid of about 40% of the fluid, once different types of ATF got mixed, that’s not what you want. For this transmission, the clutch will burn due to mismatch ATF type, and will require a software update to the TCM.

That is what happened to me, but at that time neither the dealer nor I know this, until I found out through the hard way: my transmission starts to shift strangely, then I found the info on this forum and provided it to the dealer and push them to check with VW. I even scanned my car with Vag-Com and provided them the ECM and TCM software version number, along with the email I got from ZF which confirmed an software update is needed once ATF got changed.

So the solution the dealer got from VW is this: Change the ATF one more time after driven certain Kms, drain the old fluid, refill with G060162A2 again and then update the TCM, according to VW, this should correct the problem, It will drain about 80% of the old fluid, and the TCM software version is brought from 1003 to 1905 in order to adjust to the new type of ATF.

So, in conclusion, below is the procedure done on my car:
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Part 1 of Transmission Service Units:

Perform Automatic Transmission Service:
Service includes filter, fluid and new pan gasket,
Change automatic transmission fluid and filter.
Replace rear differential fluid.

QTY Part Number Description
1 01V-321-379 Washer
1 09L-321-371 Gasket
1 09L-325-429 Strainer
1 G-052-145-S2 Axle Oil
1 G-052-145-A1 Axle Oil
6 G-060-162-A2 ATF Oil
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Part 2 of Transmission Service as per VW QTM

(Only after car been driven by customer for 500 miles since the first service):

Change fluid for second time (No need to replace the filter or pan gasket) and top up.
Perform TCM software update as per QTM.
QTY Part Number Description
6 G-060-162-A2 ATF Oil
VW Tele-update TCM Module
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I hope this helps and again, do this at your own risk, but hope to hear some good news.

Tomas

[invisiblewave]

Thankyou very much! I'm planning to call around the local dealers (with the exception of one that I'll never go near again!) and question them closely prior to taking the plunge.

[Gabs08PHTN]

Keep us informed about your findings regarding the recommended type of oil and the TCM upgrade, if neccesary!

Gabriel

[boreal]

I just checked my software code and it is 1003 not 1905 as mentioned. The oil is G 060 162 A2.
If all I need is a updated reflash......The drinks are on me!!!!

[tomasty]

I just checked my software code and it is 1003 not 1905 as mentioned. The oil is G 060 162 A2.
If all I need is a updated reflash......The drinks are on me!!!!

Boreal,

You might need to put up a fight with the dealer on this, use the information I provided. It is a shame the VW dealer is Canada is not that capable on this car.

Tomas

[boreal]

Are you sure the new fluid is G 060 162 A2 and Not G 055 162 A2 as mentioned in another post??

[tomasty]

Boreal,

It is on my invoice paper, it is G060162A2, and if you look closely in my other post, there is a photo of the ATF bottle with that part number as well.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...)-(ATF-Coolant

Tomas