As for the GC, obviously it finished last in this comparo, so according to them it didn't do well against these 5 cars, and no amount of quotes you bring will change that for these drivers, in these conditions.
I think if a TCL'er was shopping for a new(er) sports car, they'd be seriously thinking about a slightly used s2000 or rx-8 while still considering a new member of the twins. They are only about 2-3 model years apart, its not some insane stretch. i'm not trying to compare it to a NB Miata or something from 10-15 years before. you could easily argue the NC2 platform dates to 2009 and is therefore not out of the question either...
my curiosity is if a member of the twins (BRZ/FRS) is somehow equal to or better to the previous sports cars of the last five years...which then would justify buying or trading in an older car. someday, i'll need backseats...if the twins are as good as the s2000 and provide a similar driving experience...then yeah. i just want to hear a side by side on them as they are in a similar class/category.
still, the RX-8 is in the same HP/TQ bracket, weight, chassis dynamics, etc, etc. spiritually, it is probably the closest predecessor to the twins.
1 - That type of comparison/value judgement can be made in any class of car. Why buy a new GTI when you can get a CPO STI for similar money? Why buy a new Mustang GT when you can get a CPO GT500? Why ever buy new? At some point people just want the new thing.
2 - Some people won't want what amounts to a 13 year old chassis, regardless of whether or not they are looking at a 3 year old car. Yeah the S2000 is great, but its getting up there in age and is based on late 90s tech. I've heard people dismiss the NB Miata for the reasoning that they should either pony up for the better, more modern chassis (NC), or save a bunch of money and get a late year NA because they are so close mechanically to the NB.
While I agree some might actually compare the S2000/RX-8 to the twins while talking on the internet, I don't necessarily think it'll be commonplace once it times to sign the paperwork. And that's when the twins are new. Give them a few years and then the newest AP2s will be 5-7 years old, making actual deliberations/comparisons less likely.
According to cars.com there are 320 S2000 models for sale within any miles of my zip code in the US.
There are simply not enough used cars to satisfy even the limited demand predicted for the FR-S/BRZ.
Some of you poor blokes are going to have to suffer and buy a new BRZ instead of a 7 year old used S2000.
And ok off topic diverge. For some reason I have an urge for this S2000. But not at $25,000 for 38,000 miles
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2.0 makes a good point about the GTI being included...
However, does TCL think many buyers will cross shop it between a Miata/BRZ etc?
I looked at a Miata before buying my GTI and came to the conclusion, for a DD, the GTI is better suited to the task. However 6 months later, I bought a used Miata because it was still on my mind. Very different cars, but both enjoyable. I know I contradict my own question, but I was all over the place before buying my GTI. Someone looking for a pure sports car knows what they want.
When I saw the FRS/BRZ at the auto shows, I will admit it has my interest and look forward to driving one and comparing it to others competitors.
Regarding the S2000/RX8 comparisons - having a roof, back seats, and a small (but well designed) hatch area makes the BR86 a lot more flexible than an S2000 which isn't allowed on the track with many clubs, can't carry your wheels if it is, and can't carry your kids under any circumstances. The RX8 has scared off even the diehards with its reliability issues.
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when there comes a time i need a daily driver again, it will be one of the twins.