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    Thread: EBay FOTD: '11 Opel Insignia, Titled in the US

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      05-24-2012 01:31 AM #1
      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...EF:MOTORS:1123

      Not a bad price, all things considered.


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      05-24-2012 01:34 AM #2
      I highly doubt this is an actual Opel, the rear turn signals are red, indicating they're actually the brake light/turn signal combination as seen on our Buick Regals, speedo is also in MPH..

      And oh yeah, it's an auto
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      05-24-2012 01:35 AM #3
      Buick Regal + Polish Opel Parts Dept. = Opel Insignia

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      05-24-2012 01:36 AM #4
      the instrument cluster is also in english. i don't see why anyone would waste the time to do this conversion though.

    5. 05-24-2012 01:38 AM #5
      VIN comes back as a Buick Regal so being titled in the US makes sense, as does the sticker stating it meets US Safety standards.

      Me thinks some ipdisht got a whole lot of mail order badges from Germany to make his Opel. And even if it WAS actually the Opel version, well, rare isn't always desirable.

      Maybe he's summoned the hulks of 5 miserable Cadillac Cateras and made one good one; he can then flat black the grill and get another box from ebay germany and sell us a Opel Vectra
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    6. 05-24-2012 01:38 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      Buick Regal + Polish Opel Parts Dept. = Opel Insignia

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      05-24-2012 03:01 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      Polish Opel Parts Dept.
      Yep. Somewhere in Germany, an Opel owner is missing his grille, badges and airbag.

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      05-24-2012 03:07 AM #8
      Are US-spec Insignias manufactured in Germany?



      Also, seeing the Polish connection, this part scares me:

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      05-24-2012 03:12 AM #9
      The first were built in Germany then imported. They're also manufactured domestically now though.

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      05-24-2012 03:16 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by kimilein View Post
      The first were built in Germany then imported. They're also manufactured domestically now though.

      Gotcha.

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      05-24-2012 06:17 AM #11
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      I love the irony of the plate.
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      05-24-2012 06:26 AM #12
      Wow, he even swapped out the airbag cover with the Opel logo.

      And yeah, OnStar has service in Germany!!! I was lookin' for the XM button on the stereo. But the photo is too grainy. And notice the DOT airbag stickers on the windshield visors.

      But the sad part is, some fool is gonna fall for it and buy the thing
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      05-24-2012 06:28 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by mx5er View Post
      But the sad part is, some fool is gonna fall for it and buy the thing
      Only fools will be fooled.

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      05-24-2012 06:30 AM #14
      I know it's not, but I'd laugh my head off if it was made in Oshawa .

      These cars strike me as strange for one reason... They have a clear taillight section and a larger red section... Yet the small clear section has a red covered lightbulb and is the brake/signal... Yet the massive all red section that would be perfect for running lamp/brake is only the running light... GM literally forced the issue and used a combination signal/brake yet again on a car that was designed to have that space an amber bulb.

      I gotta know... does market research show people absolutely hate amber bulbs or something??? Because GM isn't the only one doing really weird things with signals. The whole Audi lineup now has a massive brake light/running light and a slim turn signal area below it... They use the whole double set of lights all set in red as one big brake/turn light with no separation let alone colour change... It all looks stupid and they should stop doing it... GM start listening.

      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      Are US-spec Insignias manufactured in Germany?
      They were for a while... Until Oshawa could get ramped up. Mainly a wait on certain suppliers. Where I work, we make the front/rear fascias for it... They are made using a completely different style of molding the part then what we are used to here in Canada to improve the parting line (actually just hides it, but in the process makes the part extremely difficult to remove from the machine once completed)... It was a huge learning curve. Going forward GM and some Chrysler models will use this more complicated process because it makes a nicer part, especially along the edges... improves paint quality along hood line, and fender area, and grille openings to improve quality. This technique is common in Germany.

      Parting line = the area where the two halves of the mold meet, and leave a thin line which can 'flash over' and leave a more pronounced raised, sharp edge if processed incorrectly or if using a worn out tool.
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      05-24-2012 06:33 AM #15
      was still a Buick Regal one year ago: http://www.usedcarsforsalein.net/buy...zApXzizXRvRyXi

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      05-24-2012 07:12 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by kimilein View Post
      The first were built in Germany then imported. They're also manufactured domestically now though.
      By "domestically" you mean Canada right?

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      05-24-2012 07:32 AM #17
      That is not bad.
      Bought Buick and fully converted to Opel,
      I have seen here in Canada Saturn Astra full converted to Opel Astra by Polish enthusiast not too long ago , took him a year to source all parts , he is working on second vehicle he bought 4 door Saturn Astra and is fully converting to Opel as well plus he will convert to Diesel ...

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      05-24-2012 08:17 AM #18
      Certainly not "fully converted" with those taillights.
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      05-24-2012 08:32 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      Are US-spec Insignias manufactured in Germany?

      I had a 2012 Buick Regal in the shop a few days ago. After seeing that the first VIN character was "W" (meaning made in Germany), I looked at the doorjamb sticker. Sure enough, it did say "MANUFACTURED BY OPEL AG GERMANY".
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      05-24-2012 08:47 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      Are US-spec Insignias manufactured in Germany?



      Also, seeing the Polish connection, this part scares me:
      Do cars made for the European (or any other non-US) market come with the "This vehicle conforms to all applicable U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle safety, bumper, and theft protection standards in effect on the date of manufacture shown above" sticker?
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      05-24-2012 08:56 AM #21
      Sometimes they do in Canada. When I was trying to import my car down to US they were looking for it. Mine did not have one and I had to get Toyota Canada to issue a letter stating as such...

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      05-24-2012 09:07 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by ATL_Av8r View Post
      Do cars made for the European (or any other non-US) market come with the "This vehicle conforms to all applicable U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle safety, bumper, and theft protection standards in effect on the date of manufacture shown above" sticker?
      Not necessarily. Transport Canada has it's own language that replaces the wording, and for other export markets it is usually left blank or is stated that it does NOT meet FMVSS.

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      05-24-2012 09:08 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
      By "domestically" you mean Canada right?
      Close enough

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      05-24-2012 09:10 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by reticulan View Post
      i don't see why anyone would waste the time to do this conversion though.
      That guy is a huge Opel fan. He previously had a Cadillac Catera fully converted to Opel Omega specification and some other interesting Opel conversions as well (I can't recall details at the moment). It's not how I would spend my money, but I can't fault the guy's passion.

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      05-24-2012 10:10 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      Buick Regal + Polish Opel Parts Dept. = Opel Insignia
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      05-24-2012 10:29 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by kimilein View Post
      The first were built in Germany then imported. They're also manufactured domestically now though.
      My Turbo was manufactured in Germany. It's funny telling people that your Buick was made in Germany
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    27. 05-24-2012 10:34 AM #27
      I think they look better as an Opel.

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      Lol not an Opel.
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      05-24-2012 10:43 AM #29
      It's a salvage title Regal that someone rebuilt with Opel parts for no apparent reason.
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      05-24-2012 11:33 AM #30
      You won't find this elsewhere: imported from Germany[1], this car is properly equipped with the most desired Opel traits, including suspension and lighting - its buyer will not be disappointed. Anyone with an eye for style can certainly appreciate it.

      Looks and drives perfect and gets endless attention wherever you go! It is also very fast and fuel efficient (30MPG). Total cost on this vehicle is over $40,000[2] so bid to win. Title has already been converted[3] and the car can be registered in all states without a problem.
      [1] yea, by GM
      [2] you added $9k worth of Opel parts?
      [3] from what to what?









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      05-24-2012 11:43 AM #31
      Has anyone reported this to eBay?

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      05-24-2012 12:03 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      Has anyone reported this to eBay?
      This

      I just reported it, but please can others report it as well it only takes 30 seconds.
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      05-24-2012 12:12 PM #33
      If he's really trying to pass it off as an actual Opel, wouldn't that be considered fraud?
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      05-24-2012 12:18 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      Has anyone reported this to eBay?

      For what?

      I looked through it and I can't find anything that would be against the rules.

      It was imported from germany not a lie.

      title was converted? yeah it was a salvage and the title has to be converted to be legally sold.

      The listing calls it a buick regal and that is what the vin is.

      Its slightly misleading but in reality nothing is wrong.


      Also if the car was a salvage and needed the parts replaced that now have opel logos on it the cost to convert it could have been no more then keeping the buick parts.

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      05-24-2012 12:25 PM #35
      Willful misrepresentation?

      The only reason the listing is under Buick is because US Ebay doesn't have the option Opel->Insignia option.

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