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      05-25-2012 10:02 AM #1
      I put this Lubro Moly 5w40 in my 24V VR6 Jetta MK4 and the engine just disliked it, with bad lifter noise and not running smooth at all. I changed out the oil after only 3000 miles and switched to Castrol Edge 5W40 SPT which is a far superior oil which has recently been reformulated

      http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp..._Sept_2011.pdf
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    2. 05-25-2012 12:41 PM #2
      I believe that people change brands of oil and then suddenly become more aware of the normal engines noises. Bear in mind, 95% of lube products contain the exact same additives and base oils.

      As long as you're happy, nbd. Come winter, maybe try German Syntec, if you like Castrol.

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      05-25-2012 01:02 PM #3
      Lubro Moly 5w40 Is Literally Crap Oil

    4. 05-25-2012 01:06 PM #4
      Send it all to me then!

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      05-25-2012 01:14 PM #5
      Valvoline Synpower MST 5W40 Is A Weak Oil with a Low Additive Package which is shown with a low TBN number & a Low SAPS Formula.
      http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...2405398&page=1


      Valvoline Should Introduce their HST Formula which is the Valvoline Synpower HST 5W40 In Bottles, They Currently Only Have It Available In Drums
      Last edited by VWVR624V; 05-25-2012 at 01:17 PM.

    6. 05-25-2012 01:23 PM #6
      MST isn't for our market, and doesn't work with our high sulphur fuels.

      The thing about our Synpower is that Ashland uses organic additives which don't show up on UOA. Funny though, I always say Synpower is one oil I don't mind paying full price for.

      Run the 10w-30, or mix it with a quart of 20w-50, like I do with my stash of Valvoline Racing Synth. Then do a UOA....it's the bomb.

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      05-25-2012 01:25 PM #7
      I'm all out, but if i had anymore the only thing i would use it for is for my lawn mower

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      05-25-2012 01:28 PM #8
      MST Valvoline Synpower 5W40 Is Very Bad For Use With Ethanol Based Fuels Also

    9. 05-25-2012 01:45 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by VWVR624V View Post
      MST Valvoline Synpower 5W40 Is Very Bad For Use With Ethanol Based Fuels Also
      I would think so.

      I use some 2-cycle oil in my gas at 500:1, fwiw.

      Here is my reply to your PM:

      different oils use different additives. when you change oil, it 'scavenges' off the old anti-wear layers and could lead to some excess sound... temporary, until the new AW package layers lays down on the metal.

      I'm just trying to give a scientific analysis instead of hating on a decent product. Louder doesn't mean more wear or anything ill. imo, a lot of underhood noise is just belts and pulleys. Maybe spray your belts down w/dressing and listen again. How about a sound recording after you change oil....just saying.

      visc is usually the big factor w/engine sound.

      Sound is a tough factor to consider. Maybe you bumped an electrical connector or a vacuum wire when you changed, I dunno. The oil filter is another thing that got changed...?
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      06-05-2012 09:23 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by VWVR624V View Post
      I put this Lubro Moly 5w40 in my 24V VR6 Jetta MK4 and the engine just disliked it, with bad lifter noise and not running smooth at all. I changed out the oil after only 3000 miles and switched to Castrol Edge 5W40 SPT which is a far superior oil which has recently been reformulated

      http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp..._Sept_2011.pdf
      While I do not doubt that the reformulation to API SN for Castrol Edge SPT 5W-40 may have improved the oil, please provide some comparison data showing that Lubro-Moly is bad or crap oil.

      -Dennis

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      06-07-2012 02:08 PM #11
      I put this Lubro Moly 5w40 in my 24V VR6 Jetta MK4 and the engine just disliked it, with bad lifter noise and not running smooth at all. Cold weather lifter noise was even worse like a diesel. Dennis M what kind of oil do u use that you are asking me for the proof of Lubro Moly 5w40 issues, i had a bad experience with Lubro Moly 5w40 that is the only proof i have and many other people have the same experience listed below.

      http://www.amazon.com/review/R1RLBAN...R1RLBAN52PHB9Z

      http://www.amazon.com/Lubro-Moly-Syn...rBy=addOneStar

      Lubro Moly Also Changed The Formula For The US Market
      http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...p-IV-synthetic
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      06-08-2012 11:58 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by VWVR624V View Post
      I put this Lubro Moly 5w40 in my 24V VR6 Jetta MK4 and the engine just disliked it, with bad lifter noise and not running smooth at all. I changed out the oil after only 3000 miles and switched to Castrol Edge 5W40 SPT which is a far superior oil which has recently been reformulated

      http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp..._Sept_2011.pdf
      Are you promotor of Castrol or?
      All your posts are about Castrole Edge SPT 5W40.
      You can find dozen better oils than 5W40 SPT, starting with Castrol 0W30!
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      06-08-2012 01:31 PM #13
      Rotella T6 5w-40, isn't this what a lot Vr6 guys run???
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    14. 06-08-2012 04:06 PM #14
      I reviewed a few UOAs last night, and I'd have to say the BMW Castrol 5w-30 (LL-01) is an amazing product.

      BMW has been using their 5w-30 in the US market for a long time. Maybe they see it as I do, with temps and driving conditions here leaning toward lighter-is-better. Also, idk if they have the fuel dilution VWs have to contend with.

      The dealer today had bricks of M1 5w-40 ESP. That must be for the diesels. Everyplace retail seems to be featuring the new low saps oils like ESP and SLX, but they are imo, less than ideal with our ****ty fuels and rich tune for US low NOx emissions.

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      06-08-2012 11:33 PM #15
      So what i had a good experience with the reformulated castrol edge spt 5w40, my brothers v8 touareg loves german castrol spt 0w30, which i have not tried yet on my 24v vr6

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      06-08-2012 11:35 PM #16
      Where do you find BMW CASTROL (LL-01) 5w30

    17. 06-08-2012 11:56 PM #17
      Online/ebay prices are remarkably decent.

      One of the few products I don't mind paying (full price) for.

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      06-09-2012 01:51 AM #18
      I'm running Lubro Molly 5w40 on my 24v VR6 and it seems to like it, it runs very smooth, I haven't done any uoa with this oil but I might send it in to see what happens. I also ran Total and Amsoil 5w40 before and it also ran smooth. Try Amsoil and see how you like it.

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      06-11-2012 04:27 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by VWVR624V View Post
      I put this Lubro Moly 5w40 in my 24V VR6 Jetta MK4 and the engine just disliked it, with bad lifter noise and not running smooth at all. Cold weather lifter noise was even worse like a diesel. Dennis M what kind of oil do u use that you are asking me for the proof of Lubro Moly 5w40 issues, i had a bad experience with Lubro Moly 5w40 that is the only proof i have and many other people have the same experience listed below.

      http://www.amazon.com/review/R1RLBAN...R1RLBAN52PHB9Z

      http://www.amazon.com/Lubro-Moly-Syn...rBy=addOneStar

      Lubro Moly Also Changed The Formula For The US Market
      http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...p-IV-synthetic
      The reason that I would like to see some data, is because someone stating that their car dislikes an oil doesn't hold much weight to the claim that Lubro-Moly is bad quality.

      Also, base stock type tells you absolutely zero about an oils performance. Group III oils are narrowing the performance gap with Group IV oils and Group III's are actually taking over as the more popular synthetic in Europe (by sales) according to some oil additive supplier statistics that I've seen (I forget if it was Lubrizol or someone else). XOM created the first Group III base stock, Visom, capable of being used to produce a 0W oil.

      I'm not loyal to brand or base stock and I've used various oils - M1 0W-40, GC, Syntec 5W-40, Pennzoil Ultra 5W-40, Motul X-lite 0W-30, Motul X-clean 5W-30, Motul Eco-nergy (in the Forester) - all with good uoa results. While a $30 random uoa isn't the be all and end all of determining oil performance, I'll still take that over "OMG! Lubro Moly is Group III and sux and your car will explode!!!". Look on bitog for some Lubro Moly uoa's.

      -Dennis
      Last edited by Dennis M; 06-11-2012 at 04:45 PM.

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      06-11-2012 07:01 PM #20
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      How many miles do u have on the 24v vr6 and what part of the country do u live

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      06-12-2012 12:40 AM #21
      I got just under 103k on it and the car has been supercharged since 61k with the VF stage 2, and I live in Las Vagas, it gets very hot.
      Right now I'm running Longtime High Tech 5w30 that I put in in January and it has little over 2k on it, and when I check the oil it still looks clean and at the right level, before I was running synthoil 5w40 with the same results. I might send my current oil to Blackstone for uoa and see what happens. I always change my oil at 5k or 6 months.

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      06-13-2012 03:35 PM #22
      Longtime High Tech 5w30 Is to thin for the vr6 especially when u push it for a ride longer than 30 minutes and especially in Las Vegas weather i would not count on it to protect it, i would go with GC German Castrol 0W30 before switching back to Longtime High Tech 5w30. Also Longtime High Tech 5w30 is BMW LL-04 which is not to be used with fuels using ethanol. Longlife-04 oils are only approved for spark-ignition engines in Europe (EU plus Switzerland, Norway and Liechtenstein). They must not be used outside this area. LL-04 oil is for low sulfur content fuels - as in Germany/Europe fuels

      Therefore, for petrol engines, use only oils designated BMW Longlife-01 or BMW LL-01
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      06-13-2012 05:04 PM #23
      Yeah but it is VW 502.00 approved, plus I was just gonna run it firming colder weather, the only reason I didn't switch it was due to the low mileage...anyway, I did order some Lubro Molly 0w40 like recommended above, so as soon as I get it I would switch it.
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      06-13-2012 10:04 PM #24
      LIQUI MOLY 0W40 IS A GROUP 4 OIL WHICH SHOULD BE THE BEST FOR THAT ENGINE, DID U EVER TRY CASTROL EDGE SPT 5W40 OR MOBIL 1 0W40 OR CASTROL EDGE SPT 0W30. A QUICK COMMENT ON THAT LUBRO MOLY Longtime High Tech 5W30 WAS TO THIN AND THE VW VR6 24V WAS JUST NOT PERFORMING WELL AFTER A HARD RUN, IT SEEMED LIKE THE ENGINE SHREDDED THE OIL DOWN TO NOTHING WITH THE LUBRICATING PROPERTIES JUST DIEING AND THAT BMW LL-04 IS ANOTHER BAD THING LIKE I EXPLAINED BEFORE EVEN THOUGH IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE VW 502 APPROVED
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      06-13-2012 10:26 PM #25
      Yeah I've used Castrol Syntec 5w40 till about 60K miles, than I started using different brands like Amsoil, Elf/Total, and Lubro Molly. I asked the guys at Castrol about Castrol Edge and they said that they dont recommend it on our car, they would just use Castrol Syntec (but that was long ago, dont know if they made a formula now for our car).
      How do you know about LM (Lubro Molly) 5w30? have you use it in your car and done some UOA? Im gonna send it in after my oil change and I'll post results, wish I did that woth LM 5w40.
      I think that Castrol SPT is same as Syntec just renamed.

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      06-13-2012 10:33 PM #26
      The new Castrol Edge SPT 5W40 BMW LL-01 was reformulated over the previous Castrol Syntec 5W40 which was BMW LL-98 approved, which was the old approval for BMW which was replaced by BMW LL-01 You must be thinking about Castrol EDGE FST which is only made for US grades not European Car Grades. In the USA Castrol EDGE FST Meets Specification for cars like Toyota, Honda, Ford, and GM in the USA Only

      http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp..._Sept_2011.pdf
      Last edited by VWVR624V; 06-13-2012 at 10:39 PM.

    27. 06-13-2012 11:54 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by rajvosa71000 View Post
      I asked the guys at Castrol about Castrol Edge and they said that they dont recommend it on our car, they would just use Castrol Syntec (but that was long ago, dont know if they made a formula now for our car).

      USA Edge 5w-30, a G-III oil did about the same as G-IV PAO Mobil 1 0w-30 SuperSyn SL in my APR 2.0 TSI.




      ftr- thinner A5 oils, that you can buy anywhere, work great, maybe best for you in winter.



      Don't worry about VW 502, seriously.

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      06-14-2012 10:53 PM #28
      I dare u to use CASTROL EDGE FST 5W30 or MOBIL 1 0W30 IN A VW IN 100 DEGREE PLUS WEATHER MR. Apexxx

    29. 06-14-2012 10:57 PM #29
      Why wouldn't I?

      The W-rating goes to nothing more than cold starting. Those oils, as well as the Valvoline Racing Synth 10w-30 I'm using NOW, are both the same 10cSt 30 weight at operating temp.

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      06-14-2012 11:53 PM #30
      Well 30 is thinner oil making it not so suitable for hot weather, you want to run 40 in the summer.

    31. 06-15-2012 02:09 AM #31
      Nothing wrong with 30/40 in winter/summer, but it's not always a necessity.

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      06-15-2012 02:45 AM #32
      I was always under impression that during hot weather oil gets thinner, that's why its better to have little thicker oil. But it might be alright if you're not driving hard.

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      06-15-2012 06:18 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by rajvosa71000 View Post
      I was always under impression that during hot weather oil gets thinner, that's why its better to have little thicker oil. But it might be alright if you're not driving hard.

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      you have a water to oil heat exchanger in your vw. you do not need anything heavier in summer. after warm up the engine is at 195f all year long. the oil is cooled by the same cooling system as the engine and runs a little warmer year round. it does not change by season. run 0w-xx or 5w-xx and you'll be fine unless you mechanical problems.

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      06-16-2012 11:42 PM #34
      rajvosa71000 U Should Try Liqui Moly Motor Protect 500ml with The Liqui Moly 0W40 Oil Change, I Try To Use This At Every Oil Change. The Stuff Is Really Good

      http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp $18.95 Part# 2053

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      06-17-2012 12:44 AM #35
      I don't really like to use any additives, never used any.
      I would just like to use good group 4 synthetic oil, is there a was to know which is group 4 oil?
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