Lubro moly 5w40 is a very bad quality oil

[edyvw]

Longtime High Tech 5w30 Is to thin for the vr6 especially when u push it for a ride longer than 30 minutes and especially in Las Vegas weather i would not count on it to protect it, i would go with GC German Castrol 0W30 before switching back to Longtime High Tech 5w30. Also Longtime High Tech 5w30 is BMW LL-04 which is not to be used with fuels using ethanol. Longlife-04 oils are only approved for spark-ignition engines in Europe (EU plus Switzerland, Norway and Liechtenstein). They must not be used outside this area. LL-04 oil is for low sulfur content fuels - as in Germany/Europe fuels

Therefore, for petrol engines, use only oils designated BMW Longlife-01 or BMW LL-01

How do you know it is too thin? Why Lubro Moly 5W30 is too thin for Nevada but castrol 0W30 is not? Or for that matter Castrol 5W40 that very fast becomes thiner then GC 0W30?
You are making assumptions in issue where only facts are possible.
Also, Nevada driving conditions are nothing special. It is HOT, but not humid. It is worse to drive in 100 degrees in Alabama then in 110 in Las Vegas, and when they manufacture oils they think that someone could put it in car in NV, Al or TX, and it is actually their goal. Also, driving on the U.S. roads is nothing special. Strict laws etc are making impossible to use full potential of let's say that VR6. That VR6 is made for German autobahns not Nevada, and trust me, that is completely different set of driving conditions.
So if Lubro Moly 5W30 is good for VR6 in Germany where you can easily end up having average speed of more then 100mph between two points, cannot see why is not good for Nevada.

[edyvw]

I don't really like to use any additives, never used any.
I would just like to use good group 4 synthetic oil, is there a was to know which is group 4 oil?
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I thought Castrol 0W30 is Group IV.
Other than that, maybe you should try Motul 5W40.

[gmikel]

vw's have an oil to water heat exchanger. it does not matter if you're in arizona in july or alaska in january. if the cooling system is up to snuff, once warmed up the engine runs at 195f, the oil 10-15 warmer, year round. use what works when it's cold, you'll be fine when it's warm. sorry, no graphs or charts, just common sense.

[VWVR624V]

Longtime High Tech 5w30 Is A Group III Oil LL-04, German Castrol 0W30 is a Group 4 which is also BMW LL-01 not like Longtime High Tech 5w30 Which Is A Group III Oil LL-04. I used Longtime High Tech 5w30 which Is A Group III Oil LL-04, it just couldn't handle the heat and pressures of the 24V VR6 which just broke it down to nothing. My engine just started to bogged down after pushing it hard in the Midwest not Las Vegas, so if it can't handle Midwest weather it sure can't handle Las Vegas weather which is more severe. LL-04 is not to be used outside of Europe for gasoline engines, especially because of ethanol which our fuels contain and other reasons

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ton22/ll04.png

[rajvosa71000]

Have you looked into your cars health? It shouldn't bog down like that, lubro moly 5w30 still gives my VR smooth operation, however I'm gonna do oil change this Friday and I will send oil sample to Blackstone and see the results, oil is gonna have little over 2k miles but about 7 months in the car. Like I said earlier, when I check my oil it still looks clean and has a slippery feel to it.
So, if the oil is LL-o1 that means its group 4?

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[edyvw]

Longtime High Tech 5w30 Is A Group III Oil LL-04, German Castrol 0W30 is a Group 4 which is also BMW LL-01 not like Longtime High Tech 5w30 Which Is A Group III Oil LL-04. I used Longtime High Tech 5w30 which Is A Group III Oil LL-04, it just couldn't handle the heat and pressures of the 24V VR6 which just broke it down to nothing. My engine just started to bogged down after pushing it hard in the Midwest not Las Vegas, so if it can't handle Midwest weather it sure can't handle Las Vegas weather which is more severe. LL-04 is not to be used outside of Europe for gasoline engines, especially because of ethanol which our fuels contain and other reasons

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ton22/ll04.png

So he quesion is: why you used it?

[VWVR624V]

edyvw go right ahead use Longtime High Tech 5w30 and drive to Las Vegas, Death Valley, and Southern California On That Oil and let me know if the engine doesn't burn up with driving it hard in those conditions

[edyvw]

edyvw go right ahead use Longtime High Tech 5w30 and drive to Las Vegas, Death Valley, and Southern California On That Oil and let me know if the engine doesn't burn up with driving it hard in those conditions

Engin burn up?
What is LM 5W30? Water?

[rajvosa71000]

Yeah I don't think there's anythink wrong running group IV 5w30 oil even in hot climates unless you're maybe racing or driving hard. His car shouldn't make any noise or bug down on that oil, I think something might be wrong with his car in that case.
I don't know what was your question about LM 5w30 but I reffered to it as a Lubro Molly 5w30.

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[rajvosa71000]

Alright, just changed my oil, took a sample of Lubro Moly Long Time High Tech 5w30 and send it in to Blackstone. I had just under 2300 miles on it and 5 months in the car. I will post my results and see how it did. It looked very clean, even the oil filter looked clean. I replaced the oil with Lubro Moly Synthoil Energy 0w40 and will do another sample on it in about 5 months.

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[rajvosa71000]

Alright, got the report back, hope you guys can see it....the latest with lubro lily 5w30 is on the left, other two are previous from at that time Elf Ecelium 5w40 and Total Quartz 5w40 from right to left.



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[edyvw]

Alright, got the report back, hope you guys can see it....the latest with lubro lily 5w30 is on the left, other two are previous from at that time Elf Ecelium 5w40 and Total Quartz 5w40 from right to left.



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It is surprising that Total shear down so much!
Try using Castrol 0W30 and see how it will behave!

[rajvosa71000]

Here is hopefully a better pic. At the time I did Total Quartz sample I had a few 1/4 mile passes and dyno runs, that might add to it, not sure. Anyway, it still looks pretty good.
Also, when they first noticed high copper that was from the Blower, it was funny that couple of weeks after the report I noticed weird noise coming from the blower, after I send it in for warranty they fixed it and said that the blower wasnt assembled right, it was missing a seal on the pulley and my bearing on the blower were going bad, they also mentioned that in my oil report but at that time I thout it was the blower just breaking in since it was new.
Anyway, I have Total Quartz 5w40 in my Touareg and will do a report again just to see. I dont have GC 0w30 but it would be cool if somebody else could do a UOA.

[BrutalDictator]

Looks like you can go way longer, 5000mi minimum.

[rajvosa71000]

Yup, the only reason I changed it was because I had for 5 months in the car, looks like it didn't matter. But I always like to have fresh oil in there anyway.

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[Dennis M]

Longtime High Tech 5w30 Is A Group III Oil LL-04, German Castrol 0W30 is a Group 4 which is also BMW LL-01 not like Longtime High Tech 5w30 Which Is A Group III Oil LL-04. I used Longtime High Tech 5w30 which Is A Group III Oil LL-04, it just couldn't handle the heat and pressures of the 24V VR6 which just broke it down to nothing. My engine just started to bogged down after pushing it hard in the Midwest not Las Vegas, so if it can't handle Midwest weather it sure can't handle Las Vegas weather which is more severe. LL-04 is not to be used outside of Europe for gasoline engines, especially because of ethanol which our fuels contain and other reasons

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ton22/ll04.png

Base stock doesn't tell you anything about how an oil will perform. It's the overall package that is important. Also, Long Time High Tech 5W-30 has a kinematic viscosity at 100C of 12.0 and GC has a kv of 12.2 so I doubt you can even tell the difference unless you walk around with a viscometer in your pocket.

Unless you can show me uoa's where the kv of the Liqui Moly sheared out of grade over the same interval as GC, then the LM is not too thin. LL-04 does not tell you anything about how stable an oil is.

-Dennis