Would you be happy if the Porsche Pajun looked like this?

[EKaru]

[GiacGtiAgain]

basically, yes.

[Son]

Pajun? Have I missed something?

[Broduski]

Pajun? Have I missed something?

This. WTF is a Pajun?

[vwlarry]

What's this? Porsche's new Camry fighter?

[eurotekms]

Panerama Junior

[fixmy59bug]

From what I see there, yes. But then again, let's see what changes between drawing and production.

[EKaru]

Pajun? Have I missed something?

This. WTF is a Pajun?

What's this? Porsche's new Camry fighter?

oops... Yes, it's an E-class/5-series/A6 competitor:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/10/p...odename-pajun/

[BartVW]

NO, it's just as hideous as the Panamera.

[l88m22vette]

Does it look good? Yes. Does Porsche need a second sedan, after also having an SUV? NO!!!!

[ToucheTurtle]

Nope Id be happy if it was financially possible for Porsche to exist only making 911 variants.

[pgasean]

Nope Id be happy if it was financially possible for Porsche to exist only making 911 variants.

this

[Mike!]

Does it look good? Yes. Does Porsche need a second sedan, after also having an SUV? NO!!!!

Hate to tell you this...

https://my.porsche.com/international/microsite/macan/



We get a Q5 here. We don't get an A5 Sportback. I would love for Porsche to build a mini-Panamera if only to fill that niche. They're already cloning a next-gen Q5, so why not give us another 'car' to go with the SUV?

That rendering looks great too. There's a lot of good-look potential in this theoretical class:

[EKaru]

Nope Id be happy if it was financially possible for Porsche to exist only making 911 variants.

I respectfully disagree... Porsche has the ability to make some pretty fantastic practical vehicles.

"But who could have guessed that this new Turbo S could outrun a 911 GT3 and equal the 3:00.7 lap time of the Ford GT on a racecourse as demanding as VIR?"

We’ve clocked the regular Turbo version of Dr. Seuss’s Porsche at 3.3 seconds to 60 mph, so we know it is absurdly quick for its size. But who could have guessed that this new Turbo S version could outrun a 911 GT3 and equal the 3:00.7 lap time of the Ford GT on a racecourse as demanding as VIR?

Not us—even after we climbed from behind the wheel. True, it has 550 horsepower, but the kick dulls after a few laps. You’re left with a serene and heavy-feeling five-door that’s so long it feels like you’re pulling a trailer. We nicknamed it the “The Bus.”

The Bus does the unexpected. Its steering transmits those minute signals that relay available grip. The rear end comes around if you’re sloppy, but it’s easily catchable. So the Panamera goads you into using all it’s got. In the climbing esses, the section of the track that contributes to the graying of a few hairs on every pass, the Panamera was unflappable. Sure, some cars are faster through there, but few do it at the Panamera’s 116.4-mph average with such utter calm.

Like all Porsches, the brakes are tireless, and with standard all-wheel drive, even your sister could master corner exits.

This is not to say the Panamera Turbo S is perfect. The seven-speed PDK shifts quickly, but it’s too willing to overrule the driver’s commands. And the gear indicator is buried in the gauge cluster, so it’s tough to read at a glance. And then there’s the Porsche’s styling and its nearly $200,000 price tag.

Entire Article:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p-2012-feature

[sforsancho]

"But who could have guessed that this new Turbo S could outrun a 911 GT3 and equal the 3:00.7 lap time of the Ford GT on a racecourse as demanding as VIR?"
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Well, to be fair the Ford GT is a design that is two generations of supercar ago (Was it not built to compete with the 360? We've had the 430 AND the 458 already). Tires and traction control have come a long way since then - I don't think the GT even had any performance enhancing computers.

A friend of mine has a Panamera Turbo and it is quite surprising what he can keep up with on a road course.

[EKaru]

Well, to be fair the Ford GT is a design that is two generations of supercar ago (Was it not built to compete with the 360? We've had the 430 AND the 458 already). Tires and traction control have come a long way since then - I don't think the GT even had any performance enhancing computers.

A friend of mine has a Panamera Turbo and it is quite surprising what he can keep up with on a road course.

While I agree that we've come a long way since that time, the Panamera Turbo S still weighs over 1,000 lbs more than the Ford GT and still has to adhere to the laws of physics.

[Woodski]

all depends on the profile

[EKaru]

all depends on the profile

The problem with the Panamera is the back end, which is fixed in that render imho

[vdub10golf]

Looks better than the Panamera but I don't think they need another sedan

[sforsancho]

The problem with the Panamera is the back end, which is fixed in that render imho

I recall that some articles were mentioning the reason the Panamera rear end is so ugly is that someone high up in the project required that a person of a certain height must fit in the back seat, so they raised the rear roofline until it did. I can't find the source, but I imagine that this car would fall susceptible to the same requirements.

[EKaru]

I recall that some articles were mentioning the reason the Panamera rear end is so ugly is that someone high up in the project required that a person of a certain height must fit in the back seat, so they raised the rear roofline until it did. I can't find the source, but I imagine that this car would fall susceptible to the same requirements.

wow, really?

[Obin Robinson]

Nope Id be happy if it was financially possible for Porsche to exist only making 911 variants.

That would be one boring car company. The only thing to look forward to year after year would be trim levels, color, and minor tweaks. The brand would become as stale as Panoz. That is like saying you would want Ford to make only the Mustang and ignore the F-150 and the Taurus.

obin

[kindofblue59]

wow, really?

It was Wendelin Wiedeking, the 6'2" CEO of Porsche:

A shock is the roominess of the back-seat area. Porsche boss Wendelin Wiedeking, a tall and substantial man, had barked about cramped headroom, so design chief Michael Mauer raised the roofline by 0.8 inch. Small as that sounds, it likely accounts for the awkward look to the Panamera’s rear quarters.

The fool. If that car didnt look like that in the butt and had a little less headroom I bet they'd be selling hand over fist. The whole segment is about style. He was actually a pretty competent CEO right up until the end, when his bid to take over VW crashed and burned.



http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-porsche-panamera-preview

[EKaru]

It was Wendelen Wiedeking, the CEO of Porsche:



The fool. If that car didnt look like that in the butt and had a little less headroom I bet they'd be selling hand over fist. The whole segment is about style.



http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-porsche-panamera-preview

heh..
Thanks for the link

[invisiblewar]

Renderings look fine. I'm all for porsche opening up their product line. As long as they make the rear look better than the Panamerica, the rear is too bulbous, it's looks like a pregnant cockroach.

[sforsancho]

Found it. *Edit - Beaten to the punch!*

You need to understand two important things about the Panamera's development. First, Porsche boss Wendelin Wiedeking, who's 6ft 2 in., insisted he had to be able to sit comfortably in the back seat. Second, it had to look like a Porsche. Those two facts drove the entire program -- and are the reason why the Panamera looks slightly awkward in profile.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1wCNKg6PC

But automotive apocrypha has produced a very persistent rumor. Seems that when the Panamera was on the drawing board a certain six-foot, three-inch Porsche CEO decreed that he must be able to fit comfortably in the back seat. As such, the roofline was raised, as well as the cackles of countless thousands of armchair car designers.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/08/m...ra-4s-wedding/

[EKaru]

Thanks for the extra links

[foundubbedriver]

yes.

[cmw88]

Looks perfect to me! I'm all in.

[elmer fud]

(golf clap) vw is the new chevy. we own way to many companies, and are slowly forcing them to all make the same things in different skins. its completely possible for Porsche to exist as a sports car only company, but someone at vw sees dollar signs if they can sell a 4 door m3 figher and a suv. makes me sick. just buy a rs4.

[Aonarch]

I like it

[VarianceVQ]

Those two facts drove the entire program -- and are the reason why the Panamera looks slightly awkward in profile.

Ha. "Slightly" they said.

[KeiCar]

That would be one boring car company. The only thing to look forward to year after year would be trim levels, color, and minor tweaks. The brand would become as stale as Panoz. That is like saying you would want Ford to make only the Mustang and ignore the F-150 and the Taurus.

obin

I suppose if you look at it that way, you have a good point.



PORSCHE... "more then just the 911"

[kezho]

(golf clap) vw is the new chevy. we own way to many companies, and are slowly forcing them to all make the same things in different skins. its completely possible for Porsche to exist as a sports car only company, but someone at vw sees dollar signs if they can sell a 4 door m3 figher and a suv. makes me sick. just buy a rs4.

Why such strong feelings? The Panamera, regardless of its polarizing styling, is a type of a car that a car guy should like. It's not a beauty queen, but I would take it over a Bentley or a baby Rolls without thinking twice about it, and never look back. Ultimately, Porsche is still making interesting cars for people that like driving them. There is quite a stark difference between Chevy of the 90's badge engineering practices and Porsche today.

[elmer fud]

Why such strong feelings? The Panamera, regardless of its polarizing styling, is a type of a car that a car guy should like. It's not a beauty queen, but I would take it over a Bentley or a baby Rolls without thinking twice about it, and never look back. Ultimately, Porsche is still making interesting cars for people that like driving them. There is quite a stark difference between Chevy of the 90's badge engineering practices and Porsche today.

because I wouldn't buy it, if I wanted a 4 door sports car I would a rs6 or a merc or a bmw, if I want a Porsche it will be a two door and rwd. if I want a truck I will buy one thats well not like that.

regardless of how well the Panamera drives, its the same in my mind as the cayenne, its a money maker its not a Porsche its a car to sell to people that want the badge to show to there freinds, so they can say they drive a porsche with out having to actually own a two door sports car. . but that being said my biggist gripe is vw rebadgeing there cars to all there brands/ and or competing with themselves, and thats just dumb.