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    Thread: Stage 2 or Stage 2 +

    1. Member RcNdi's Avatar
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      05-28-2012 09:30 PM #1
      Ok i finally after a long time coming, I am ready for stage 2, however since its a minimum of a 140 mile drive to the closest tuner should I wait and do a HPFP upgrade then go Stage 2 +. Or is the 2+ really worth me having to wait and only make one long distance trip for the tune?

      What would you do if it was a long friggin trip to the Tuner? Stage 2 or Stage 2+?






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      05-28-2012 10:27 PM #2
      pretty sure with stage 2+ you would need an upgraded high pressure fuel pump to prevent fuel cuts, id stick with stage 2 if i were you

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      05-28-2012 10:34 PM #3
      If financially possible in the near future, I'd hold out and get the APR fuel pump first
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      05-28-2012 10:35 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by matija14 View Post
      pretty sure with stage 2+ you would need an upgraded high pressure fuel pump to prevent fuel cuts, id stick with stage 2 if i were you
      That would be why i would wait to do my next tune save up and do the HPFP upgrade. However with all my bills right now that could be a while and was trying to figure out if 2+ is worth waiting like 2 months for?

      I mean i can take off and go stage 2 right now but i dont want to have to drive another 140 some miles to get the + added to my tune if its something i couldn't live without.
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      05-29-2012 02:54 PM #5
      Bumping to get more opinions!
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      05-29-2012 02:59 PM #6
      Skip stage 2 and go directly to stage 2+. You'll get fuel cuts in stage 2.

      Stage 2+ should have been called stage 2
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      05-29-2012 03:15 PM #7
      Wait.
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      05-29-2012 03:24 PM #8
      get 2, then save up and get 2+, i think its fun to go in stages and enjoy the differences

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      05-29-2012 03:39 PM #9
      More than likely you'll get fuel cuts at stage 2 and then you wont be able to drive the car hard which will suck and make you sad.

      If you're savvy with cars I'd get the AutoTech HPFP kit and rebuild your own fuel pump, it's not really that hard. If not then I'd find a used or new APR HPFP and just go right to Stage 2+.

      Stage 1 to Stage 2 isn't all that great IMO. Stage 2 has huge gaps in the power band that only the HPFP in Stage 2+ can cure.

    10. 05-29-2012 03:56 PM #10
      who the hell gets fuel cuts with stage 2?... i've never heard that and my car definitely never cuts fuel and i'm running the fsi stock hpfp with giac stage2

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      05-29-2012 04:11 PM #11
      I've seen quite a few stories of Autotech rebuilds seizing up
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      05-29-2012 04:13 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by BobRenob View Post
      who the hell gets fuel cuts with stage 2?... i've never heard that and my car definitely never cuts fuel and i'm running the fsi stock hpfp with giac stage2
      Happens under heavy load. I've had it happen to me in 4th at high RPM's. You'll likely not experience any issues in the low gears. I'm saving up for an APR hpfp so I don't have to worry about it down the road
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      05-29-2012 04:34 PM #13
      Thanks for the advice i believe i will more than likely wait and buy a used or discounted APR HPFP or maybe a new Assembled one from HFPFupgrade.com or do you guys think they are a bad choice.
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      05-29-2012 04:41 PM #14
      I haven't personally heard much about their pumps. I'd be curious what owners of them have to say (and how long they've had it - the #1 question)
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      05-29-2012 04:46 PM #15
      Is the upgrade from Stage 2 to Stage 2+ free?

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      05-29-2012 04:49 PM #16
      Once you buy APR stage 1 - 2 and 2+ are free except for shop fee (usually $50-$60) Another reason why I am leaning on waiting.
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      05-29-2012 04:49 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by RobbS View Post
      Is the upgrade from Stage 2 to Stage 2+ free?
      No charge from APR. The shop may charge a labor fee. I think it depends on the shop
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      05-29-2012 05:20 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by BobRenob View Post
      who the hell gets fuel cuts with stage 2?... i've never heard that and my car definitely never cuts fuel and i'm running the fsi stock hpfp with giac stage2
      about 50% of people who go stage 2 due to the stock pump not being able to keep up with output.

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      05-29-2012 05:22 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by bryangb View Post
      I've seen quite a few stories of Autotech rebuilds seizing up
      IDK... mines is at 20-30k and running fine. But then again I cleaned out my pump and built it in a totally clean area. Those two factors are KEY.

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      05-29-2012 05:23 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by eatonrabbit. View Post
      IDK... mines is at 20-30k and running fine. But then again I cleaned out my pump and built it in a totally clean area. Those two factors are KEY.
      Very true. Those DIY's could have done it wrong and of course those are the stories you hear
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      05-29-2012 11:35 PM #21
      I have a chance to grab a used KMD kit, prior owner says they are selling because they purchase a big turbo kit and it came with a APR pump so no need for the KMD kit anymore, what do you all think about it, its still under warranty as well.
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    22. 05-29-2012 11:47 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by eatonrabbit. View Post
      about 50% of people who go stage 2 due to the stock pump not being able to keep up with output.
      seriously? haha my fsi is at 90k miles and my fp has never been replaced. guess i'm just lucky, didn't realize that was an issue people had to deal with at stage2.

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      05-30-2012 12:14 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by BobRenob View Post
      seriously? haha my fsi is at 90k miles and my fp has never been replaced. guess i'm just lucky, didn't realize that was an issue people had to deal with at stage2.
      So you have had no fuel cuts, after getting even more sticker shocked and scared of upgrade HPFP parts kits i am really considering just regular stage 2, if fuel cuts are VERY rare or nonexistent.
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    24. 05-30-2012 03:26 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by RcNdi View Post
      So you have had no fuel cuts, after getting even more sticker shocked and scared of upgrade HPFP parts kits i am really considering just regular stage 2, if fuel cuts are VERY rare or nonexistent.
      i dunno. i personally hadn't heard of fuel cuts on a stage 2 or lower unless your fuel pump has gone bad, which can happen on our fsi cars even stock. but i don't know everyones experience

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      05-30-2012 06:04 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by BobRenob View Post
      i dunno. i personally hadn't heard of fuel cuts on a stage 2 or lower unless your fuel pump has gone bad, which can happen on our fsi cars even stock. but i don't know everyones experience
      i haven't experienced it either. well that's not exactly true once i put my downpipe i did experience it twice, but was probably due the change in flow and the computer wasn't prepared haha, after driving around a bit and giving it a go the next week it didn't happen again. i am also on Giac software and that's probably why... since their software "learns" and adjusts fuel maps to compensate for additional modifications.

      if it will only take you two months to save up for the hpfp... then just wait. After all 2 months is not that long, might as well save the gas money haha!
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      05-30-2012 08:51 AM #26
      I'm saving for Stage 2+ right now. When going from stage 1 to 2, I was able to feel the difference while accelerating in higher gears at highway speeds. I didn't feel too much of a difference in lower gears. I have only experienced the fuel cut while accelerating at WOT on a steep incline in 4th gear... Pulled the cam follower out of fear and found it was fine. With the rebuilt fuel pump, is it necessary to run larger injectors? S3?
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      05-30-2012 09:16 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by RcNdi View Post
      Thanks for the advice i believe i will more than likely wait and buy a used or discounted APR HPFP or maybe a new Assembled one from HFPFupgrade.com or do you guys think they are a bad choice.
      i have their stage 1 pump, had it on for about 5k running apr stage 2+, no issues

      I think i do run a little rich thooo

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      05-30-2012 09:56 AM #28
      So the consensus is if you want to go stage 2, do it because not everyone notices fuel cuts. If you want to go stage 2+, do it because everyone says its great. However with shop fees, gas and time, I personally would wait for stage 2+ and get it done all at once. Then on your drive home you will want to go Ko4 haha.
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      05-30-2012 10:30 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by birdmanmk5 View Post
      So the consensus is if you want to go stage 2, do it because not everyone notices fuel cuts. If you want to go stage 2+, do it because everyone says its great. However with shop fees, gas and time, I personally would wait for stage 2+ and get it done all at once. Then on your drive home you will want to go Ko4 haha.
      LOL yea but my pockets aren't that deep and the wife would Kill me! I sold my 83 Rabbit GTI and really wanted to go K04 but she wanted a new kitchen. however she can fix dinner all the time once its done Thanks for the advice i think i will save for the new HPFP, however i will outright by a tested one from somebody these parts kits have me worried that i will throw away $200-$300 dollars.
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      05-30-2012 02:59 PM #30
      damn kitchens, and I agree there is risk involved when rebuilding a hpfp I would save and buy new, prolly comes with a warranty too gooluck!
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      05-30-2012 05:39 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by BobRenob View Post
      i dunno. i personally hadn't heard of fuel cuts on a stage 2 or lower unless your fuel pump has gone bad, which can happen on our fsi cars even stock. but i don't know everyones experience
      You must not drive it like a race car
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