Tell Me About the Forgotten V, the N* STS-V

[LaFerrari]

i had no idea these existed. Now i want one.

I'm with you

[.:bigred12]

Can anyone tell me more about the N*?

I heard from someone that it is one of GM's most advanced engines ever.

[genjy]

I'd imagine a Taurus SHO would be better in every way.

The STS-V is rear-wheel drive. So, it drives differently from the AWD Taurus SHO.

The CTS/STS' RWD platform was probably designed to be a bit sportier than the Taurus' D3 platform.

[deftonesfan867]

This is basically how I feel about the current CTS-V, so I imagine the STS-V is even worse.

Are...are....are you retarded?

[deftonesfan867]

No. They don't even make the STS anymore, and you'd have to put up with this:


I'd imagine a Taurus SHO would be better in every way.

Right...an overpriced Ford that's built on the upper limits of it's potential is better than a cheaper 400+ hp RWD luxury car with tons of potential left...

[B3sat16v]

Right...an overpriced Ford that's built on the upper limits of it's potential is better than a cheaper 400+ hp RWD luxury car with tons of potential left...

Que? An AWD Ford that with a chip can run pretty damn quick. Hell stock is pretty damn quick.

There is a V five miles away 46K miles with a 26K tag.

[A.Wilder]

Supercharging The Northstar
By Frank Markus

Behold Cadillac's first production supercharged engine. Its official SAE-certified horsepower rating of 469 is the highest for any factory Cadillac, including all the jumbo-block SAE-gross-rated behemoths of the 1960s and early 1970s. Making power is all about getting air into cylinders. This can be done the Corvette Z06 way, using great big lungs, or by forcing air in with a blower. Cadillac reckoned the latter approach had a better chance of delivering the refinement and smooth idle demanded of a $77,090 car.
Air enters through an 80mm throttle body, flows around back of the engine and into the valley, where it's sucked up into the largest production Roots blower going. Spinning at 2.1 times crank speed, the air is pressurized to 12 psi before flowing up through a Laminova intercooler (water runs through tubes lined with closely spaced fins). The cooling fins drop pressure to 10 psi and quell the blower pulses. Air then U-turns and flows straight down into the intake valves to meet its octane-fueled destiny. Intake and exhaust valve timing are variable. Spent exhaust gases exit via extrude-honed ports, through cast manifolds and out through oversize catalysts and twin 2.5-inch sewer pipes.
The 469 horses arrive at 6400 rpm, but at least 395 of the 439 peak pound-feet of torque are available between 2200 and 6000 rpm. Fuel economy trails the naturally aspirated STS by three mpg city, six highway. And the idle quality is better, thanks to the added rotational inertia. There's way more to this Northstar than just a bolt-on blower, though.

1. The aluminum block is sand cast instead of die cast, necessitating 2mm smaller bore for better fatigue life.
2. Block and head castings undergo special T7 heat treatment and stabilization for strength.
3. Intake valve seats are copper infiltrated for better heat dissipation and wear.
4. Head gaskets reinforced to withstand 9:1 compression plus 10 psi boost.
5. Bigger oil jets cool the pistons with three gallons of oil per minute.
6. Oil pump, filter are higher capacity.
7. Two mufflers quiet intake roar upstream of supercharger.
8. Starter lives below blower in the valley for improved life (no road splash).
9. Low-restriction domino-shaped mass-airflow sensor replaces screen type


Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1wdHF2udF

[SCVR6]

a few mods and they sound EVIL:

Never liked the sound of a roots style blower

[Ross1013]

Are...are....are you retarded?

Well, what did you think of the CTS-V when you drove it?

[ATL_Av8r]

I'd agree though. A used Taurus SHO or 300C might be worth a look.

Wait wait wait.....you're complaining about the STS interior, but you recommend a 300C? WTF?

Assuming we're talking same vintage, WTF?

[Biff Beltsander]

A few comparisons to the Taurus SHO.
The SHO is a very large and luxurious car and with 355 HP and those commercials of it being a tail happy bruiser on the track in spite of being AWD it's a fair comparison.
Sort of, the Lincoln MKS is a bit more modern then the now discontinued STS (still available in China also as a SLS) as it has received a recent update.

However, the Cadillac is much more powerful at 469 HP and it's on a RWD platform then the MKS Ecoboost which is on a FWD/AWD platform.

[StormChaser]

Big, heavy, and fast. Where do I sign up?! The question is...reliable? And if so...have they depreciated to next to nothing quickly, like most Cadis?

[Biff Beltsander]

Big, heavy, and fast. Where do I sign up?! The question is...reliable? And if so...have they depreciated to next to nothing quickly, like most Cadis?

STS has depreciated greatly, not as much as the DTS though of course.
The V is much more rare and the asking prices are higher.

[genjy]

I see STS-Vs on the road pretty often in SoCal.

About every third STS I see is a STS-V.

[jepva]

STS has depreciated greatly, not as much as the DTS though of course.
The V is much more rare and the asking prices are higher.

And actually, the newer Cadillacs (especially the newer CTS') are holding their value real well. I was surprised to see how much used 09+ CTS 3.6DI's were still going for.

[GiacGtiAgain]

I see STS-Vs on the road pretty often in SoCal.

About every third STS I see is a STS-V.

every third STS that you see if a V? i find that incredibly hard to believe (see: statistically impossible) then again, I'm not sure I've seen 3 regular STS of this vintage on the road to begin with.

[loudgli]

The one in the video is/was on ebay for sale a few weeks ago.

Seemed very reasonable...Im too lazy to look but I think it was high 20's.

[Impeccable]

Even in NY I think i saw one in williamsburg back when they first came out

[Biff Beltsander]

And actually, the newer Cadillacs (especially the newer CTS') are holding their value real well. I was surprised to see how much used 09+ CTS 3.6DI's were still going for.

I have a feeling the new SRX will hold it's value as well.

[A.Wilder]

Motorweek still appears to be stuck in 1992 with their videos

[jh88718]

I work with a guy who drives one. Its definitely huge and definitely heavy and still handles like a big heavy Cadillac but its fast. He has methanol injection on his and it puts out about 600hp at the flywheel. It does have 6 piston front and 4 piston rear calipers. Cool car but its too huge to have a lot of fun with except in a straight line on the highway. WOW GLS:Maverick...our conversation sent you to the internet to throw slanders about a car you have never seen. That is funny...something about big, heavy and only good in a straight line. Hmmm, my car was built and owned by D3 research and design for SEMA and it was tested and débuted by road and track magazine against a GT500. I think I'll stick with my car at 170+ MPH on a road track versus your R...can your VW even break 100MPH? Just asking!

P.S. Please don’t take this personal…as a car guy, I have to defend my vehicle as I stand behind it. It will thrash a track like nobodies business and of course a GTI-R or what ever that golf cart thing is!

[Ross1013]

I work with a guy who drives one. Its definitely huge and definitely heavy and still handles like a big heavy Cadillac but its fast. He has methanol injection on his and it puts out about 600hp at the flywheel. It does have 6 piston front and 4 piston rear calipers. Cool car but its too huge to have a lot of fun with except in a straight line on the highway.

WOW GLS:Maverick...our conversation sent you to the internet to throw slanders about a car you have never seen. That is funny...something about big, heavy and only good in a straight line. Hmmm, my car was built and owned by D3 research and design for SEMA and it was tested and débuted by road and track magazine against a GT500. I think I'll stick with my car at 170+ MPH on a road track versus your R...can your VW even break 100MPH? Just asking!

P.S. Please don’t take this personal…as a car guy, I have to defend my vehicle as I stand behind it. It will thrash a track like nobodies business and of course a GTI-R or what ever that golf cart thing is!

I really don't think his comment was meant to bash! JMHO.

[Mosbius Designs]

I work with a guy who drives one. Its definitely huge and definitely heavy and still handles like a big heavy Cadillac but its fast. He has methanol injection on his and it puts out about 600hp at the flywheel. It does have 6 piston front and 4 piston rear calipers. Cool car but its too huge to have a lot of fun with except in a straight line on the highway.

WOW GLS:Maverick...our conversation sent you to the internet to throw slanders about a car you have never seen. That is funny...something about big, heavy and only good in a straight line. Hmmm, my car was built and owned by D3 research and design for SEMA and it was tested and débuted by road and track magazine against a GT500. I think I'll stick with my car at 170+ MPH on a road track versus your R...can your VW even break 100MPH? Just asking!

P.S. Please don’t take this personal…as a car guy, I have to defend my vehicle as I stand behind it. It will thrash a track like nobodies business and of course a GTI-R or what ever that golf cart thing is!

Now this is going to make for an awkward conversation tomorrow at the office...

[curvedinfinity]

I work with a guy who drives one. Its definitely huge and definitely heavy and still handles like a big heavy Cadillac but its fast. He has methanol injection on his and it puts out about 600hp at the flywheel. It does have 6 piston front and 4 piston rear calipers. Cool car but its too huge to have a lot of fun with except in a straight line on the highway.

WOW GLS:Maverick...our conversation sent you to the internet to throw slanders about a car you have never seen. That is funny...something about big, heavy and only good in a straight line. Hmmm, my car was built and owned by D3 research and design for SEMA and it was tested and débuted by road and track magazine against a GT500. I think I'll stick with my car at 170+ MPH on a road track versus your R...can your VW even break 100MPH? Just asking!

P.S. Please don’t take this personal…as a car guy, I have to defend my vehicle as I stand behind it. It will thrash a track like nobodies business and of course a GTI-R or what ever that golf cart thing is!

lol ... almost as good as that one time that dude got busted by his wife/gf.

[Projekt R32]

I always thought they were pretty hot, underrated cars

this, my uncle has one and loves it

[Sono Qui]

Damn this looks so nice. I completely forgot about them.

Nice highway bruiser that flies under the radar.

[BltByKrmn]

Wish they were around $15k.

[gls:maverick]

Now this is going to make for an awkward conversation tomorrow at the office...

Not that awkward; I actually didn't even see the response until he said something about it this morning to me after a meeting. I think the car is bad ass and I am sure its stupid fast and would kill my R32. I think that I was not bashing at all either but eh whatever. Hater's gonna hate on both ends of the spectrum (I gave up on gaining respect for a VW in Detroit years ago). I like anything with wheels. I just think its funny that J joined just to post that response! Hahaha nice one.

[Mosbius Designs]

Not that awkward; I actually didn't even see the response until he said something about it this morning to me after a meeting. I think the car is bad ass and I am sure its stupid fast and would kill my R32. I think that I was not bashing at all either but eh whatever. Hater's gonna hate on both ends of the spectrum (I gave up on gaining respect for a VW in Detroit years ago). I like anything with wheels. I just think its funny that J joined just to post that response! Hahaha nice one.

Heh. Still odd that he would join just to make that passive-aggressive statement, probably to never come back again.

[jh88718]

Heh. Still odd that he would join just to make that passive-aggressive statement, probably to never come back again.

I was searching the internet for STS-V items when I ran across this thread...I had to defend my Cadillac, its like telling me my child is fat, slow and sucks at sports! No hard feelings on my side, just wanted to throw out a little conversation piece for a laugh or two. It only took 30 seconds to join so it was not that big of a deal. As an FYI, my car puts the video listed above to shame, I'll bring it in to the office on Friday weather permiting.

My car has 8 piston fronts, 4 piston rears, 15" drilled and slotted rotors, all chrome hubs, 20" 3 piece forgeline race wheels running 295/30/20 in the rear and 255/35/20 in the front without any rub, methanol injection, over drive pulley on the super charger pushing 15 psi boost, one off custom Corsa exhaust, custom chrome intake and filter, Corvette red painted valve covers, custom track proven suspension springs with a 1.5" drop kit, upgraded intercooler, increased capacity reservior with additional cooling fans, custom LED rear bumper facia and many other electronic mods under the hood to control spark timing and water methonal injection all with a custom tune done by D3. You think the car is rare and forgotten...try to find upgrade parts for this car like I have...good luck! Only place is D3 Research and Design out of California. Check out their cars, they are BAD AZZ!

[Woodski]

No one remembers the ad campaign that was something along the lines of "3 cars under 5 seconds"? CTS-V, STS-V, XLR-V:

I have the poster, haha.

[3 Money Pits]

its like telling me my child is fat

No matter how you slice it, over two tons of car is... Fat.

Got any pics?

WOW GLS:Maverick...our conversation sent you to the internet to throw slanders about a car you have never seen.

I think the word you're looking for is "libel". Don't use either unless you know what they mean.

What's up with the attitude, anyways? Your response to your coworker as well as the vehicle description you entered reeks of chest-thumping douchebag. Most of us here like all cars equally, and I don't think his comment about your car was unkind at all.

[UncleBens]

A lot of you little entitled nancy boys need some perspective if you think think the STS has a 'horrible' interior.

Thanks sarg.. We'll get right on that. Opinions which don't follow the TCL herd will be condemned going forward.

[.:bigred12]

I work with a guy who drives one. Its definitely huge and definitely heavy and still handles like a big heavy Cadillac but its fast. He has methanol injection on his and it puts out about 600hp at the flywheel. It does have 6 piston front and 4 piston rear calipers. Cool car but its too huge to have a lot of fun with except in a straight line on the highway.

WOW GLS:Maverick...our conversation sent you to the internet to throw slanders about a car you have never seen. That is funny...something about big, heavy and only good in a straight line. Hmmm, my car was built and owned by D3 research and design for SEMA and it was tested and débuted by road and track magazine against a GT500. I think I'll stick with my car at 170+ MPH on a road track versus your R...can your VW even break 100MPH? Just asking!

P.S. Please don’t take this personal…as a car guy, I have to defend my vehicle as I stand behind it. It will thrash a track like nobodies business and of course a GTI-R or what ever that golf cart thing is!

OP here, got pics/videos of your car?

[Mosbius Designs]

I was searching the internet for STS-V items when I ran across this thread...I had to defend my Cadillac, its like telling me my child is fat, slow and sucks at sports! No hard feelings on my side, just wanted to throw out a little conversation piece for a laugh or two. It only took 30 seconds to join so it was not that big of a deal. As an FYI, my car puts the video listed above to shame, I'll bring it in to the office on Friday weather permiting.

My car has 8 piston fronts, 4 piston rears, 15" drilled and slotted rotors, all chrome hubs, 20" 3 piece forgeline race wheels running 295/30/20 in the rear and 255/35/20 in the front without any rub, methanol injection, over drive pulley on the super charger pushing 15 psi boost, one off custom Corsa exhaust, custom chrome intake and filter, Corvette red painted valve covers, custom track proven suspension springs with a 1.5" drop kit, upgraded intercooler, increased capacity reservior with additional cooling fans, custom LED rear bumper facia and many other electronic mods under the hood to control spark timing and water methonal injection all with a custom tune done by D3. You think the car is rare and forgotten...try to find upgrade parts for this car like I have...good luck! Only place is D3 Research and Design out of California. Check out their cars, they are BAD AZZ!

Wow.

Dude, I like the car. No need to explain every detail of it to us like you're 16.

I think I feel bad for maverick