750AWHP Widebody MKIV R32 For Sale @ 50k. Crazy or Fair asking Price?

[bwell01]

Every once in a while I browse through the mkiv R classifieds in hopes of finding something id be interested in. Just saw this and thought wowzers, first at the price then at the build itself. But after looking at it again id have to say its a good deal.

Hi guys,

Most of you know my car and saw the complete build of this car. I might put the car for sale and I don't know how much to ask. I have over 200 000$ invest in the car + my labor. Car pushes 750HP and 700ft/torque @ 25psi on street fuel (93 oct) and you can go to 900+HP with race fuel and higher boost. Car was feature in Eurotune, PAS mag, won 1st price in different car shows.

I had a lot of interest and questions about the car, offers that I received are close to what I want for the car. Anyhow, my wife will give birth in a month so car as to go.

The go price now it's only : 49 999$ extra firm.

I would consider those car in exchange:

Touareg TDI
Porsche Cayenne Turbo
Audi RS4


Car is completely build up from A to Z:

MOTEUR / ENGINE
Unitronic custom chip
TK Race head ported and polished
Eurospec 264/260 cams
Supertech Valvetrain
High precision cylinder honing
Eurospec Connecting rods (3/8 bolts)
83.5mm Ross Pistons (8.5:1 ratio)
DM Motorsport custom long runner exhaust manifold
Huber-Rennsport Technik Short Runner intake Manifold
ARP main bolts
Raceware head bolts
Race crank bearings
Race connecting rods bearings
Balanced Volkswagen forged crank
Blue printed, balanced & cross-balanced block components
Magnaflux & X-rays
Precision PT6765HPS (ported, ceramic bearing & billet)
Tial 44mm waste gate
1000CC Injector Dynamic
1X Bosch Motorsport 040 fuel pumps (in tank)
2X Forge Motorsport 007 Diverter valves
Precision front mount intercooler
DM Motorsport custom 3" Stainless steel piping
DM Motorsport custom 4" Stainless inlet pipe
K&N 3.5” air filter
Mocal external oil cooler
Mocal adapter
Earl’s fittings (black) & Russell’s fittings (red/blue)
Earl’s Pro-Lite 350 #10 lines (oil, prestone, fuel, etc...)
Earl’s Pro-Lite 350 #8 lines for fuel
Snow Performance water/methanol injection
Moroso race tank for water/methanol
VF-Engineering Polyurethane Engine mount
VF-Engineering Polyurethane Transmission mount
VF-Engineering Polyurethane Pendulum mount
VF-Engineering Polyurethane MK3 front engine mount
DM Motorsport custom front subframe
Hyperformance short shifter
Black powder coated valve cover, SRI and Turbo compressor
Etc...

ÉCHAPPEMENT / EXHAUST
DM Motorsport 2 X 2.5” Custom stainless steel down pipe
DM Motorsport 2 X 2.5” Custom stainless steel exhaust system
DM Motorsport 2" Custom stainless steel for waste gate discharge
Turbonetics Stainless steel T-bolts flanges
Magnaflow muffler

TRANSMISSION
Custom DM Motorsport forged gear set 02M
Peloquin limited slip differential O2M
Peloquin limited slip differential for Haldex
DM Motorsport custom triple disk clutch
Blue HPP Haldex controller
Black powdercoated transmission

FREINS & SUSPENSION / BRAKE & SUSPENSION
Porsche Cayenne 6 pistons calliper
14.1’’ 2 pieces light weight front rotors Cross-drilled & Slotted
12.1” 2 pieces light weight rear rotors Cross-drilled & Slotted
Hawk HPS pads
Stainless Steel braided lines
DOT 4 Motul Racing brake fluid
H&R coil-over
ECS Tuning rear adjustable control arms

MAGS & PNEUS / WHEELS & TIRES
HRE 590R custom 19" X 9" (front)
HRE 590R custom 19” X 11” (rear)
Continental ContiContacSport 3 255/30ZR/19 (front)
Continental ContiContacSport 3 315/25ZR/19 (rear)

EXTÉRIEUR & LUMIÈRE / BODYWORK & LIGHTING
OE Volkswagen AG .:R32 Deep Blue Pearl paint
OE Volkswagen AG .:R32 Black Magic Pearl paint (on roof)
OE Volkswagen AG European .:R32 rear bumper
OE Volkswagen AG European .:R32 rear rebar
OE Volkswagen AG European “Hella” .:R32 taillights
OE Volkswagen AG Euro switch w/front and rear fogs
OE Volkswagen AG European Polo rear wiper
OE Volkswagen AG .:R32 front emblem
OE Volkswagen AG .:R32 rear emblem
OE Volkswagen AG special rear spoiler
Removed OE Volkswagen AG side blinkers lights
Removed OE Volkswagen AG mouldings
Removed OE Volkswagen AG rear VW emblem
Removed OE Volkswagen AG rear door handle
Custom shaved engine bay
Custom widened rear quarter panels (3”)
Custom widened front fenders (1.5”)
Custom widened .:R32 side skirts
Caractere hatch blend custom molded to hatch
Shaved back of door handles
Custom 2 bars badgeless grill
Engine bay shaved
Roll cage in engine bay
Hella projector headlights custom black
Bosch HID H7 conversion
Eurolite Blue high beam

Some pics:

Considering how much money has to be tied up in this build I for one think its a fair price. If I had the money lying around Id jump on it. The car only has 8k miles on it.


HPA is selling one of their MKIV R twin turbo cars at 72xxx. Those cars make 5xx hp with a twin turbo kit and the one they are selling has 23xxx miles on it.

[under the radar]

price is more than fair...that car is awesome.

[C4 A6]

For that work and attention to detail, $50k is a fair asking price. To me, it's still just a Golf. But be damned I'd sooner spend $50k on this than a new TT-RS.

My one question: if he has over $200k invested, wouldn't he be more than financially capable to keep it and buy a cheaper SUV for the kid?

[roadtripper]

if the logic is that because hpa is "asking" $70K for their car, then this car is a value at $50K, there is no logic at all.

i suppose it's possible i am completely ignorant, but are wildly staggered wheels ok for that drivetrain?

beyond the raping of the body, this car reeks of all show, and perhaps a looped owner. which doesn't always work out for the buyer. if he truly has $200K in it, well, i guess it's good he's got passion. sounds like a nursery addition and a new 911 to me, but to each his own.

i wouldn't be surprised, and again, what the F do i know, if that car is NOT faster than its stock counterpart on a proper racetrack. but it sure has lumps.

[MrRoboto]

Be nice to have a link to his build thread.

[bwell01]

Be nice to have a link to his build thread.

coming right up...

[C4 A6]

Be nice to have a link to his build thread.

Oh don't be so lazy.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...bo-R32-project

[Philly215]

Seems like a fair price but I do not get building a $200k Golf at all. I'm not hating because there are things I do with my money that people wouldn't understand but dam, a $200k Golf.... not for me.

There are a lot of other cars I'd spend 50 grand on before getting it. If I wanted power I'd probably get a Z06 or supercharge/turbo a base Vette. If I wanted luxury I'd get an A6. I could probably come up with a very long list.

[Spiller337]

i suppose it's possible i am completely ignorant, but are wildly staggered wheels ok for that drivetrain?

As long as the diameter of the wheels are the same it should be fine. These only have different widths.

[bwell01]

Oh don't be so lazy.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...bo-R32-project

thanks

and heres the FS thread

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...urbo-7500miles!!!!

[muffintop]

Meh, I'd rather buy an Evo for $30k and put $20k into it and still whoop on this thing.

[rains]

build thread or link to original FS posting?

I think the car looks great

[MrRoboto]

Oh don't be so lazy.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...bo-R32-project

Why not be lazy? There's always going to be some wanker out there willing to do the job you just did. I just have to sit back on my couch and watch the rest of my recorded Family Guy episodes.

[bwell01]

build thread or link to original FS posting?

I think the car looks great

they both are already posted

[MrRoboto]

Pretty amazing build from what I can see so far. Very nice attention to detail.

[babarber]

if i was in the market for this kind of thing it would definitely be worth 50k but i would sooner buy a ttrs..... also i have a hard time believing this thing has 200k into and you would be stupid to sell it if you could afford that kind of work to me its more like 100k

[mikes96GTI]

Honestly? It looks like a very nicely build car with a lot of attention to detail with a lot of money invested. I have seen people pay more for less. In reality, if someone wants it $50K bad, they will pay it. Personally, if I had FU money and a hard on for a MK4 R32, I would be all over it like stank on isht.

[MrRoboto]

if i was in the market for this kind of thing it would definitely be worth 50k but i would sooner buy a ttrs..... also i have a hard time believing this thing has 200k into and you would be stupid to sell it if you could afford that kind of work to me its more like 100k

Say again?

[C4 A6]

Say again?

Basically what I'm saying: who in their right mind would invest "$200k" in a Golf and then need to sell it for what I can only assume are financial reasons (what with a baby on the way.) If he could afford to spend that much on the car, then there's no reason he should need to sell it, even if it is for a more practical car. He should just be able to buy another car.

[babarber]

you heard me i could build this car for 100-120k easy including labor..but i wouldnt

oh and read the post above

[bubbagti]

I remember a few months ago a B5 S4 avant that was heavily modified was for sale on ebay. Very similar to this R32. It has a full RS4 conversion and other mods. Owner was asking ~$55k I believe. As far as I know it's still not sold

There is a very limited market to sell something like this. People that are going to spend well above market value for a car often like to personalize the car themselves, not someone else's iteration

[devianb]

I would never buy it because a VW Golf isn't my type of car, with exception to the MK1. I am always curious as to why someone spends so much money and effort to build an awesome machine and then sell it. I know having the same car for a long period of time can get boring, but I would think that kind of car would give you some excitement for quite a long time. The price is high, but it is not outrageous. Given enough time someone will buy it at that price.

[MrRoboto]

you heard me i could build this car for 100-120k easy including labor..but i wouldnt

oh and read the post above

No, I didn't hear you, I tried to read what you wrote, but couldn't.

[hipster.]

Came in for white guy in backwards cap, leaving satisfied.

['dubber]

We all need to wait about eight months to see how much she'll force him to sell it for.

[rlfletch]

Attention to detail my a$$. The flairs on that car are atrocious. Extending sheetmetal in a flat arc from the wheel diameter gives you lovely pointy intersections at the body. POS.

[horribleR]

The only thing I disliked about this R32 is the interior... But for $50k you're really getting a steal for how much power this thing is making.

[firstorbit84]

$50k is probably worth the work, but the near stock interior and no nav kills it for me

[stascom]

It's definitely worth the money. It is definitely not a good buy, however. For $50K there are 10 other cars I would have before this. If, on the other hand, one always wanted a ridiculously quick R32 - this is the time and the car to get

[Jman5000]

you heard me i could build this car for 100-120k easy including labor..but i wouldnt

Are you a bodyman and an NA-to-FI engine builder?

[Robski92]

Maybe it's just me and my noobness but how can 200k be invested.

[TM87]

What other car has 750awhp for 50k?? Not many if any.
Problem w these builds, they are always personal and reflect the personality of its owner. New buyer won't be getting that satisfaction.
I'm sure he will find somebody willing to pay the price(or close to it). There are people out there who like buying finish show cars, and since its R and regular GTI there is some rarity in those.
I know I know its only a Golf and its not BRZ but....

[In 4 Bagels, Left Hungry]

Maybe he priced it that "low" because its a salvage title. Build thread shows it had a fire in the trunk with less than 1000 miles on it.

[6cylVWguy]

There is a very limited market to sell something like this. People that are going to spend well above market value for a car often like to personalize the car themselves, not someone else's iteration

This is a great point. I look at this car and read the specs and know that it's very well done. The attention to detail is almost OEM perfect. And at $50k, you're probably getting a deal. But if I legitimately had $50k to spend on a car, I think I'm at the point where I'd rather have something else. Maybe a used c6 z06 or maybe a Boss 302 with a blower. Having gone outside the VW world for my last 2 cars, I realize that there are simply other places I'd rather put my money that I think would be more fun--and wouldn't need nearly the level of modification.

I'm the "6cylVWguy" of 5-6 years ago would be all over this car, but the "6cylVWguy" of today would probably look elsewhere. To me, this is the type of project I'd undertake because I had a stock R32 that I loved and wanted to see just how much I could get out of the platform and motor. I just don't think I could buy it all done up for that much cash though.

[saron81]

Is $50,000 for a Golf crazy? Yes.
Is putting a claimed $200,000 into a Golf crazier? Yes.