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    05-30-2012 11:06 PM #1
    What does everyone predict for Abarth 500 residual values? Will values be high like Mini Cooper S residual values? Will residual values soon decrease at a greater rate as more new competition like the Subaru BRZ is available?


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    05-30-2012 11:14 PM #2
    Since I am on a wait list let us hope it is high.
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    05-30-2012 11:15 PM #3
    i just saw a black one today in bay ridge brooklyn. i snapped some pictures. i want.

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    05-30-2012 11:18 PM #4
    Quote Originally Posted by dieselraver View Post
    i just saw a black one today in bay ridge brooklyn. i snapped some pictures. i want.
    Mine is in transit...
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    05-30-2012 11:22 PM #5
    Two Fiat reps came into the starbucks I work at yesterday, one in a 500 'Gucci' cabrio, and the other in a black Abarth, looked very nice. I asked him if Fiat had plans to bring anything other than the 500 to the states and he didn't seem to know what he was talking about
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    05-31-2012 02:33 AM #6
    Quote Originally Posted by sicksappeal View Post
    I asked him if Fiat had plans to bring anything other than the 500 to the states and he didn't seem to know what he was talking about
    The Fiat 500L is slated for U.S. sale. No word yet on whether we will get both or only one of the five and seven passenger versions.

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    05-31-2012 05:40 AM #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Wimbledon View Post
    The Fiat 500L is slated for U.S. sale. No word yet on whether we will get both or only one of the five and seven passenger versions.
    This is the US. Clearly, we will get the 7-passenger car as a 5-seater version.

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    05-31-2012 08:17 AM #8
    There is no way to predict these things. Same goes for BRZ. There is ni telling how these cars will behave on the road and how reliable they will be. Limited numbers will keep the demand somewhat present, but if the car is a flop it won't help.
    I do actually want one, and my local dealer is.waiting for deliveries. At $28k, its forget about it($6k mark up). I'm sure if I really decide to get one, I could find dealer that sells for msrp or lower.
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    05-31-2012 08:30 AM #9
    If regular 500 values are anything to go by I expect these cars to depreciate just like Smarts.
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    05-31-2012 08:46 AM #10
    TM87 - Herb Chambers Fiat in Millbury, MA is selling them at MSRP as long as you order one. I went to see if I could take one for a test drive, but all the ones they had were spoken for with preorders.

    I'm really really interested in buying one, but I wouldn't unless I can drive it around for a while first.

  11. 05-31-2012 09:13 AM #11
    Wait till the initial buzz dies down and all the pre-orders are filled - you'll be able to test drive, deal or buy a depreciating example on the used market all day long from a disenchanted early adoptor.

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    05-31-2012 09:53 AM #12
    Probably not worth anything. Very very few cars these days aren't hit by massive depreciation.

    I just saw my first Abarth on the road. The exhaust note was sick!

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    05-31-2012 10:09 AM #13
    Quote Originally Posted by sicksappeal View Post
    Two Fiat reps came into the starbucks I work at yesterday, one in a 500 'Gucci' cabrio, and the other in a black Abarth, looked very nice. I asked him if Fiat had plans to bring anything other than the 500 to the states and he didn't seem to know what he was talking about
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    05-31-2012 10:24 AM #14
    It doesn't really matter how good the car is. Fiat will likely produce too many for the market and drive values down. By contrast, the BRZ will be limited in quantity and have great values, not because it is good, but because demand will exceed supply.

    VW TDI values were way high because there were no sales for years. They will come down fast as VW produces almost enough to fill the demand.

    If you really cared, you'd buy a Solstice or Sky because quantities were really limited.

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    05-31-2012 10:50 AM #15
    by my estimate they will hold their value like mkIV R32s, $50k for a 10 year old speciman seems reasonable

    Quote Originally Posted by Blonde Guy View Post
    It doesn't really matter how good the car is. Fiat will likely produce too many for the market and drive values down.
    riiight. FIAT studios are swimming in Abarths

    nice try with the BRZ bait
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    05-31-2012 02:41 PM #16
    This link mentions that a 42 month lease is offered at a low 39% residual through either Ally Financial or Chase (not sure which).

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    05-31-2012 02:51 PM #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Blonde Guy View Post
    It doesn't really matter how good the car is. Fiat will likely produce too many for the market and drive values down. By contrast, the BRZ will be limited in quantity and have great values, not because it is good, but because demand will exceed supply.

    VW TDI values were way high because there were no sales for years. They will come down fast as VW produces almost enough to fill the demand.

    If you really cared, you'd buy a Solstice or Sky because quantities were really limited.
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    05-31-2012 03:12 PM #18
    I just drove by a Fiat dealer and saw 100 500's, but not a single Abarth. Then again, they probably keep the Abarths in the showroom. I've only seen 1 in LA and also approve of the exhaust note.

    I think they'll hold their resale value fairly well if the supply is somewhat limited, especially if Fiat brings additional models here to increase awareness of the brand. Those J-Lo and Charlie Sheen commercials can only do so much...
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    05-31-2012 04:04 PM #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Blonde Guy View Post
    It doesn't really matter how good the car is. Fiat will likely produce too many for the market and drive values down. .
    last i heard, Fiat was only bringing 3000 Abarth's to the states.

    i received a call about a local one that arrived on a Friday morning, to test drive on a Saturday, but by Saturday afternoon, that Abarth had been sold (i never made it to the dealer). if they aren't sold prior to delivery, they don't sit around too long before selling.

    however, not much is known about their reliability and maintenance in the states, so i imagine that will have a significant impact on their resale value.
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    05-31-2012 05:23 PM #20
    Here are the Ally lease residuals for 15K miles/year. Note that lease residuals are not always an accurate predictor of real world resale values.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------term--12---24----27----30---36----39---42---48

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    05-31-2012 05:34 PM #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Wimbledon View Post
    The Fiat 500L is slated for U.S. sale. No word yet on whether we will get both or only one of the five and seven passenger versions.

    Five passenger:



    Seven passenger:

    gross.
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  22. 05-31-2012 06:12 PM #22
    Quote Originally Posted by dieselraver View Post
    i just saw a black one today in bay ridge brooklyn. i snapped some pictures. i want.

    i thought i saw one near fort hamilton in bay ridge

    i thought it was the regular one and not the arbath version initially, could be the same one

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    05-31-2012 07:49 PM #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Blonde Guy View Post
    It doesn't really matter how good the car is. Fiat will likely produce too many for the market and drive values down.
    Production of the 2012 500 Abarth is wrapping up, maybe even done. People on the pre-order list have been contacted and told they will have to wait until after October to get 2013 models. So the over-production thing isn't likely. I was planning on production plumping the supply line a bit, but it looks like I may just as well order one in August and trade in the Boxster just as convertible season ends.
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    05-31-2012 08:29 PM #24
    Quote Originally Posted by VeeDubDriver View Post
    Here are the Ally lease residuals for 15K miles/year. Note that lease residuals are not always an accurate predictor of real world resale values.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------term--12---24----27----30---36----39---42---48
    Am I reading this right?

    Does ally assume the 500 will lose 45% of its value in the first year? Huh?
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    05-31-2012 08:38 PM #25
    Here in Fremont there seems to be quite a few on their way - 8 by my count

    http://www.fiatusaoffremont.com/new-...ventoryListing

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