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      05-31-2012 12:06 AM #1




      Quote Originally Posted by IL
      Oregon's Willamette Valley is where the mythical Lexus ES 350 owner goes on vacation. He's worn down by his long commute, but when he gets a few days off, he heads right back out on the interstate. Hundreds of miles later, he finds tranquility and plenty of pinot noir in this famous wine region.

      Although we think of the Lexus ES 350 as a uniquely North American car, our man could just as easily live in China. The ES is the No. 2 selling Lexus there (behind the RX), just as it is in the U.S. Lexus officials paid a lot of attention to both markets while working on the 2013 Lexus ES 350, and the result is a redesigned entry-level luxury sedan with more interior room, better fuel economy and an available four-cylinder hybrid version — the 2013 Lexus ES 300h.

      Together the 2013 Lexus ES 350 and 2013 Lexus ES 300h represent a "truly global ES," says Chief Engineer Toshio Asahi. Skeptical? Well, it turns out we have plenty in common with the commuters and oenophiles in China.
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      05-31-2012 12:16 AM #2
      GS instead please


      This new ES doesnt do anything for me both inside and out unfortunately
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      05-31-2012 01:14 AM #3
      Isn't my kind of car, but that's a great looking car.

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      05-31-2012 01:46 AM #4
      looks so much better than the previous version inside and out.

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      05-31-2012 04:22 AM #5
      Hahahahaha, this is my right in my area.

      This is Domane Serene


      Not sure exactly which winery this is, possibly Erath, but anyway the hill in the background is where my folks live (on the other side of the ridge)


      And this is where I grew up. I get a kick out of this because the town is swarming with Lexuses (usually RXs,) BMWs, and Mercs. PACERS 4 LIFE!


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      The 2013 definitely seems to be a massive improvement both inside and out. The side profile in red seem especially flattering. Not my kind of car, but this should be a hit for Lexus.
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      05-31-2012 07:49 AM #6
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      05-31-2012 08:02 AM #7
      It's still just a Camry underneath...
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      05-31-2012 08:11 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Anony00GT View Post
      It's still just a Camry underneath...
      Someone didn't read the damn article

      As we slide into the backseat of the 2013 Lexus ES 350, it's clear we're on the same page regarding legroom. For the first time in its 25-year history, the ES does not share its wheelbase with the Toyota Camry (109.3 inches). Instead, it now matches the full-size Toyota Avalon (111 inches) in terms of space between the wheels. Rear legroom increases from just under 36 inches in the 2012 ES 350 to 40 inches even.

      Anyway, another preview:

      http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_first_drive/
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      05-31-2012 08:17 AM #9
      Weird... I like it. Sort of want
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      05-31-2012 08:19 AM #10
      Big improvement over the last gen, but the newer Lexuses are extremely polarizing. They all look fantastic with the F-Sport package, but incredibly awkward without it.

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      05-31-2012 09:33 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Someone didn't read the damn article

      Anyway, another preview:

      http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_first_drive/
      Later in the article the reviewers call the ES basically a Camry under the skin..

      Per Wiki the Avalon is just a stretched Camry platform.
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    12. 05-31-2012 10:00 AM #12
      Looks pretty sleek yet conservative, it'll age well. The biggest improvement however, is the interior which is much better executed than the outgoing model. Also I like that Lexus seem to be shunning away from the hight belt-line, bulbous looks most manufacturer seems to be going for these days.



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      05-31-2012 10:00 AM #13
      It's still bulletproof and still boring.
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      05-31-2012 10:01 AM #14
      That grille....

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      05-31-2012 10:30 AM #15
      This is a huge improvement in terms of styling over the last couple generations of ES.

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      05-31-2012 10:37 AM #16
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      05-31-2012 11:15 AM #17
      First ES I've liked since the XV10

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      05-31-2012 01:04 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Anony00GT View Post
      It's still just a Camry underneath...
      ...says the person with an platform with an cheap, inferior torsion beam rear suspension

      (the Camry has always had an independent rear suspension).....
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      05-31-2012 01:21 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Anony00GT View Post
      It's still just a Camry underneath...

      At least now when I look at the new one a Camry isn't the first thing that comes to mind. This will do very well.
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      05-31-2012 01:53 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Anony00GT View Post
      It's still just a Camry underneath...
      This really made u look stupid... It is like saying don't buy Audi TT, it is still just Golf underneath.

      As for this new ES, i actually like its look. It doesn't scream "old man car" as much as before. Have potential to have a F model. (which i think probably have no chance for that)
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      05-31-2012 01:55 PM #22
      It looks great until you get around to the front, where that big, stupid, fussy grille just ruins the whole party. It's too bad the baby boomers rule the car market thee days, because their generational affection for fussy, inelegant detailing really sucks.
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      05-31-2012 06:22 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      It looks great until you get around to the front, where that big, stupid, fussy grille just ruins the whole party. It's too bad the baby boomers rule the car market thee days, because their generational affection for fussy, inelegant detailing really sucks.
      OK, I'll bite because I'm sincerely curious about this. Is this really a baby boomer trait? Any other examples?

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      05-31-2012 06:25 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by mutcth View Post
      OK, I'll bite because I'm sincerely curious about this. Is this really a baby boomer trait? Any other examples?

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      05-31-2012 06:32 PM #25
      But who was it designed FOR? Not other 27 year olds.

      I would be happy to expand more, but I'm largely basing this on the perceptions of my parents and some of their colleagues in the furniture industry. They're all convinced that boomers have strange taste that seems to prioritize fussy, busy, ornamented designs, and that Gen X and the Millennials prefer simpler and more functional designs.
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      05-31-2012 06:38 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      But who was it designed FOR? Not other 27 year olds.

      I would be happy to expand more, but I'm largely basing this on the perceptions of my parents and some of their colleagues in the furniture industry. They're all convinced that boomers have strange taste that seems to prioritize fussy, busy, ornamented designs, and that Gen X and the Millennials prefer simpler and more functional designs.
      Well... if the boomers prefer this type of style... and boomers are the ones buying the ES....


      your point ?
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      05-31-2012 06:45 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by koko12 View Post
      Looks pretty sleek yet conservative, it'll age well. The biggest improvement however, is the interior which is much better executed than the outgoing model. Also I like that Lexus seem to be shunning away from the hight belt-line, bulbous looks most manufacturer seems to be going for these days.


      I think it looks pretty good in these pics. My brother had the old ES and it was boring, but man that thing could soak up some highway miles and fly under the radar.
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      05-31-2012 07:07 PM #28
      Superb.

      One has to admire the efficiency. 0-60mph in 7.4s and 40mpg. I still don't like a 4 cyl. in this class.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Superb.

      One has to admire the efficiency. 0-60mph in 7.4s and 40mpg. I still don't like a 4 cyl. in this class.
      I have a car in the driveway that does 0-60 in the 4's and can get 40 mpg, but somehow I doubt you'd admire it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      I have a car in the driveway that does 0-60 in the 4's and can get 40 mpg, but somehow I doubt you'd admire it.
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    31. 05-31-2012 07:40 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Someone didn't read the damn article




      Anyway, another preview:

      http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_first_drive/
      oh ok. it's an avalon now.

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      05-31-2012 08:04 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Well... if the boomers prefer this type of style... and boomers are the ones buying the ES....


      your point ?
      As I said at first, I don't think pandering to that sense of style has done the world of car design a lot of good.
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      05-31-2012 08:13 PM #33
      I'm wondering if it's pandering, or instead somewhat heavy-handed Lexus designers trying to force an ugly corporate grille onto everything that they build.

      Given the ZDX's less-than-meteoric sales, not sure that was too successful at grabbing the imagination of boomers. (Not that it isn't flawed in other ways.)

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      05-31-2012 08:17 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      It looks great until you get around to the front, where that big, stupid, fussy grille just ruins the whole party. It's too bad the baby boomers rule the car market thee days, because their generational affection for fussy, inelegant detailing really sucks.
      I not understand what all the fuss is about the grille It looks perfect in this application.

      I also don't understand it because so many people here cream their pants over Audis with their big grilles.

      These two shots from an earlier post are perfection:


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      05-31-2012 08:18 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by maskedSONY View Post
      It's still bulletproof and still boring.
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      Too bad I don't do people's tax returns so I could fully appreciate this car.
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