Did I get ripped off by VW CPO Program? .:R32 Content

[mr lee]

hey I kept my word from the other thread, im having fun.

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[hipster.]

learn how to turn a wrench and actually do something to your car before you try to bash on what I do with mine.

some of us actually meet up with REAL enthusiast in the REAL world... just to talk cars and look at what everyone hs going on. everything from audis to subarus to hondas and VW's all in one place enjoying what we love.

maybe hop off the computer for a little bit and venture out to one of your local meets to get an actual perspective on being a car enthusiast instead of sitting on here keyboard-warrioring it up to compensate for your slow/stock POS you call a car.

I wrench on my own car, thanks. My car is slow, I don't need a fast car. Had some, now don't need them. My car is not stock or a POS, besides a 2" spot or rust on one wheel well. My Volvo is clean and straight.

Meets here are full of bros an dubbers, so I'll pass on that.

Happy trolling to you!

[mr lee]

I wrench on my own car, thanks. My car is slow, I don't need a fast car. Had some, now don't need them. My car is not stock or a POS, besides a 2" spot or rust on one wheel well. My Volvo is clean and straight.

Meets here are full of bros an dubbers, so I'll pass on that.

Happy trolling to you!

but think of all the video you could take of hardparkers

[TM87]

Cliff notes:
- You drove a car for 6months, dropped it on H&R coils, then decided you want new tires, and trying to get the cost out of CPO

How can we even know you didnt destroyed tires after you did aftermarket suspension on the car??

[Cort]

Am I the only one seeing this?

1. He installed coilovers.

2. Worn tire patch on inside of tire which is WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOWER AN R32 past an 1.5" without adjustable endlinks on the rear suspension. I had the same problem in less than 8k miles on my s3 which has the same suspension.

3. I'm willing to bank he didn't get an allignment after the coils too.

http://gruvenparts.com/website/cart/...product_id=390

4. Aftermarket coilover suspension parts voids suspension warranty.

[Accidental L8 apex]

Meets here are full of bros an dubbers, so I'll pass on that.

Have yet to be at a meet where the cars outnumber the meatheads and/or flatbillers. And say what you will about my stereotyping, but how many exist that are worth having a normal conversation with?

[SAPJetta]

Get a TTRS

Came here for this. Leaving satisfied.

[deagle]

if after the sale, and you come off the curb, and the axle breaks or you get a flat tire, its all you for liability

so if you screw up the alignment a block away from a pothole or whatever, that would cause the warped inner tire wear, not the dealerships fault

who validates a manufacturer's CPO cars ? the manufacturers ....

[whitekryptonite]

Cliff notes:
- You drove a car for 6months, dropped it on H&R coils, then decided you want new tires, and trying to get the cost out of CPO

How can we even know you didnt destroyed tires after you did aftermarket suspension on the car??

I drove the car like a normal person. I wanted to change the suspension. Upon changing the suspension I realized all these problems. If I didn't one day the inner tire would have blown out and I would have crashed the car.

Am I the only one seeing this?

1. He installed coilovers.

2. Worn tire patch on inside of tire which is WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOWER AN R32 past an 1.5" without adjustable endlinks on the rear suspension. I had the same problem in less than 8k miles on my s3 which has the same suspension.

3. I'm willing to bank he didn't get an allignment after the coils too.

http://gruvenparts.com/website/cart/...product_id=390

4. Aftermarket coilover suspension parts voids suspension warranty.

Wrong I am not you. I install things properly. The damage to the tires were done with the stock suspension not the aftermarket.

I've only had the aftermarket on since 5/26/12. We had a holiday weekend in America so everything was closed on Monday. Alignment was done immediatly upon opening of business the very next day.

[whitekryptonite]

Am I the only one seeing this?

1. He installed coilovers.

2. Worn tire patch on inside of tire which is WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOWER AN R32 past an 1.5" without adjustable endlinks on the rear suspension. I had the same problem in less than 8k miles on my s3 which has the same suspension.

3. I'm willing to bank he didn't get an allignment after the coils too.

http://gruvenparts.com/website/cart/...product_id=390

4. Aftermarket coilover suspension parts voids suspension warranty.

I don't own a 2004 MK4 R32 you idiot.

This product fits Audi TT (2001-2006), Audi A3/S3, VW R32 (2004), VW Golf 4motion and 4motion Variant, VW Bora 4motion and 4motion Variant and replaces OEM linkage P/N 1J0505466B.

[GTiTOM]

CPO is a scam. They "inspect" these cars by glancing over stuff. They can then charge you an extra $1-2k on price in exchange for the extended warranty.

This was my experience with buying a CPO A4 back in 2003. I needed new brakes a few thousand miles afterwards, in addition to several other parts (and the CEL coming on the day I bought it). When I pointed out that the literature said brakes would be minimum of 50%, they made up some excuse. I went to another dealership for a second opinion and they said my brakes were the original ones on the car (50k miles) --- they told me a lot of times dealerships skip the inspection, fill out the paperwork with Audi, send them the money for the warranty and sell the car as is.

Went back to the original dealer and demanded all of the CPO paperwork. They said I couldn't have it. I pointed out where it said it was to be included with the sale. They said to come back the next day and they would "find" it. They produced a CPO report that was clearly doctored after the fact (dates weren't consistent, options not on my car were said to be in good condition, the wrong size wheels were listed, etc, etc). Brought it to the sales manager and the GM --- they offered to take it on trade at $12k (I paid $17.5k three days before) and offered me a rape-tastic deal on a new GTi. I said no thanks, never went back there, and faxed everything to VWoA.

VWoA said any resolution would be between them and the dealership, which didn't do anything for me. I sold the car within the year for a fair price and bought a Honda. The CPO warranty was great to have (I wouldn't want to own a car that new without one), but if I ever buy a CPO car again, I'll be treating it like any used car --- taking it to an independent mechanic for a full inspection, etc.

[Cort]

I don't own a 2004 MK4 R32 you idiot.

Oh dag yo. Didn't see that. My bad.

I just saw R32. But I hope you get herpes, and you are butt banged by a group of rabid baboons you buffoon.

[DG7Projects]

Oh dag yo. Didn't see that. My bad.

I just saw R32. But I hope you get herpes, and you are butt banged by a group of rabid baboons you buffoon.

[Woodski]

pads/rotors shouldnt be covered under warranty, imo.

its not the companies fault if you drive like a hammerhead and wear through them in 10k miles.

[DG7Projects]

OP, seriously, there isn't much to be done here. I say you buy a new set of tires and call it a day. Save yourself the headache and say fück that dealership.

[Accidental L8 apex]

If I didn't one day the inner tire would have blown out and I would have crashed the car.

Aaaand scene. Seriously, a blown tire doesn't equal death if you know how to drive. Any old lady in a Golf can let off of the gas and coast a bit, no?

[mike02467]

Aaaand scene. Seriously, a blown tire doesn't equal death if you know how to drive. Any old lady in a Golf can let off of the gas and coast a bit, no?

I thought you were supposed to give it more gas to correct for the failed tire, then ease off?

[horribleR]

um... I'm talking about Haldex fluid. it's $100.

Cool, then why is the OP ****ting his pants about a $100 thing of fluid?

https://wiki.bentleypublishers.com/d...bbit,+GTI,+R32

^ btw it isn't due at 50k.

[200HP4dr]

Tires aren't Suspension, Mister.

In the warranty arena, this is called excessive progressive damage. Even if the suspension were deemed faulty, there is probably a clause that puts this well outside of the damage limits. Sorry, but I'd be totally blown away if they even gave you a coupon for a free oil change.

Chris

[serge03]

Am I the only one seeing this?

1. He installed coilovers.

2. Worn tire patch on inside of tire which is WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LOWER AN R32 past an 1.5" without adjustable endlinks on the rear suspension. I had the same problem in less than 8k miles on my s3 which has the same suspension.

3. I'm willing to bank he didn't get an allignment after the coils too.

http://gruvenparts.com/website/cart/...product_id=390

4. Aftermarket coilover suspension parts voids suspension warranty.

1.S3's get flat spots from drunken toolbags that ruin GTGs and events for everyone.

2. Being such a toolbag revokes your rights to be treated fairly on this forum.

3. I'm willing to bank you got aligned in jail.

[DG7Projects]

1.S3's get flat spots from drunken toolbags that ruin GTGs and events for everyone.

2. Being such a toolbag revokes your rights to be treated fairly on this forum.

3. I'm willing to bank you got aligned in jail.

Someone's living in the past

[leitmotif]

I've owned one CPO VW and compared to all but one other VW I've owned, it was a kind of a piece. The warranty did save me a few bucks but not much or enough to be worth the added cost. I found out that things like spark plugs and air filters were never changed when the paperwork I had from the dealer showed that they should have been. Part of the deal for buying the car was that certain things like the 40k service had been performed and I got it in writing. Later on down the road I was actually able to prove the parts had not been changed by utilizing manufacturer date codes. That still got me no where but whatever.

I don't know if I would buy another CPO VW. I've had better luck with non CPO cars. Obviously this varies with every car but I didn't get my money's worth out of the warranty and I didn't like how the dealer somewhat misrepresented the condition of the vehicle at time of purchase. Also, all the expensive repairs for my car occurred just after the warranty was up. Probably a coincidence. You're better off buying a used car from an owner who hands you a file folder full of receipts and records.

[BRealistic]

Just went and looked. The idiot is trading the car in for a new Golf R.

Next time I need help flushing a couple grand down the toilet, I know who to call.

Can somebody post a link to the original gateway thread?

I feel so lost on this topic.

Oh- and OP... CPO just means Crazy Price for Owner for used car with extended warranty.....
IOW, the "1,000,000 point inspection" is usually a joke.

[99.5]

Can somebody post a link to the original gateway thread?

I feel so lost on this topic.

Oh- and OP... CPO just means Crazy Price for Owner for used car with extended warranty.....
IOW, the "1,000,000 point inspection" is usually a joke.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-R-Screwdriver


Looks like he's getting that new R he wanted.

Final update:

The General Manager is in the process of placing an order for a new '13 Golf R.

I really appreciate the GM going above and beyond to make things right. Also, a big to VWoA for all their help and new car voucher towards the R. Now I can move forward with my R build.

Also, I would like to say thank you to everyone here for your support.

[Mosbius Designs]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-R-Screwdriver


Looks like he's getting that new R he wanted.

And he's paying for it. Far cry drom it being free, like the jackass was trying to lead people to believe.

What a toolbag.

[Accidental L8 apex]

Originally Posted by hipster.
Asked a dozen posts ago. VWoA told him to STFU, and that it was the dealer issue.

Originally posted by 99.5
Not quite. Here's an update from his thread.

Originally Posted by Gateway1
Final update:

The General Manager is in the process of placing an order for a new '13 Golf R.

I really appreciate the GM going above and beyond to make things right. Also, a big to VWoA for all their help and new car voucher towards the R. Now I can move forward with my R build.

Also, I would like to say thank you to everyone here for your support.

So how does him losing thousands on a trade-in equal him getting what he wants by getting "made right" by VW due to his tirade and sense of entitlement? And VWOA did basically tell him to shove it and the dealer is the one handling it. Of course, would be luxury-GT owners/drivers would see things completely different than reality played out.

[onedubdub]

as someone who knows the OP here is my perspective...

you bought the car with 4x,xxx miles (i dont feel like getting the exact number), 9000 miles later you find out that the suspension is shot when installed new coilovers. almost 50,000 miles on the stock suspension actually isnt that bad for an R32, some have had theres crap out earlier. Just the nature of the beast.

Somewhere in here you posted that you drive normally...you drive like a mad man 95% of the time. Hard acceleration, braking, and turning will only speed up wear on your tires and suspension.

I'm sure you've hit some massive pot holes, because we live in the same town so I know what the roads are like. And i'm sure at least one of the was big enough to throw an alignment out of spec, thus causing your tire wear.

You are trying to get a warranty on two different wear parts..not going to happen. Suspension and tires get old and tired and wear, that's just how it goes. Also, bringing the car in on the aftermarket suspension claiming that the stock suspension is what ruined your tires is not going to help. Also, a blown strut will not cause your tires to get camber wear. The rebound tendencies of shocks play little to no effect of camber

does it suck that your tires are now shot? Absolutely. Are you going to have to buy new tires out of pocket? Most likely. Coming from someone who also had to buy 4 new tires due to unfortunately circumstances, that's just the way it goes. This is a classic case of the saying "you have to pay to play." I'm sure you can find some really good condition used tires in the classifieds since 225/40/18 is a very popular size.

[DrFrisker]

vw uses one quality grade above chinese parts. dont be surprised if you have to replace x y and z after 10k miles

[Grey Mouser]

vw uses one quality grade above chinese parts. dont be surprised if you have to replace x y and z after 10k miles

Those X bearings and Y fuel pumps and Z control arm bushings are killer, brah.

[BRealistic]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-R-Screwdriver

Thanks.

Rule number one: never expect to service department to understand (your standard of) cosmetic perfection.

[qjetta2004]

..... if I ever buy a CPO car again, I'll be treating it like any used car --- taking it to an independent mechanic for a full inspection, etc.

Exactly. You should always ALWAYS take a used car to an independent mechanic you know and trust for a thorough inspection.


The CPO is really nothing more than a marketing scam, at least with most VW dealers.

The added issue is that the OP bought a sporty car R32 which we all know tend to be driven hard and possibly abused as well.

I really can't understand why people with so much spare change to buy expensive used cars like a Golf R32 wouldn't have enough sense to double and triple check things on a used vehicle, especially one like this. I guess that's what keeps the stealerships making money in the end, because a fool and his money are quickly parted.

[Liquid1.8T]

I get a chuckle when when someone types ".:R32"

[BRealistic]

I get a chuckle when when someone types ".:R32"

I thought that was some type of automatic edit in the forum code- maybe to mean parts falling off...

[SIR ANDROID184]

I had (now out of) cpo warranty a4. I had a mixed experience and they deff screwed
the poch on the inspection. They did two p/s pumps in three months, but the second time
was alternator. Didn't wanna warranty my front lower control arms. And in the same
breath did a trans and convertible top (at 99k). I can say honestly that only the engine
and rear diff are orig to the car and most other parts were changed under audi cpo.

But here's a trick, it pays to try and have a good realtionship with atleast one of the
service writers. They are the one's who write the work order up and make the call to
the oem. Alot of times it's in the wording and how far the service writer will go for you.
Go to the dealer once in awhile for a oil change while under warranty.
That being said some are straight up doches along with the service manager.

Beside's all that why did you wait so long? And you should have put the car back
together with old shizz, get to dealer asap and make claim.....you screwed yo self

[R-Dubya]

Don't know if anyone has addressed this yet, but you pretty much said you were driving on this apparently completely destroyed suspension, without issue or even having said to yourself one time "huh, this car is handling poorly, something must be wrong with the suspension". For one, if you were driving on it for 6 months in a performance-oriented car and didn't notice anything was wrong, it must not have been as bad as you're saying it was. Two, it looked perfectly fine and the car handled okay, what more do you want from a CPO inspection? You want them to disassemble the entire damn car and test every component? And you replaced the suspension anyways. Doesn't sound like there should be an issue here at all, am I missing something?