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    Thread: Questions about camming my VR6

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      06-02-2012 12:12 AM #1
      Recently I've decided to replace my valve cover gasket due to the oil burning smell coming from it. I got an idea about buying some cheap cams, the autotech 262s. I have some questions about it. My car has 145k miles on it. Can i just buy the camshafts or do i need valve springs/lifters. From what i've heard I shouldn't need anything but the cams if i go with the 262s. As far as performance im not to worried. I am worried about the car running like **** afterwards. Am i going to need to buy a tune for it or will it run fine without one? Thank you if you actually read this all.

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      06-02-2012 01:02 AM #2
      It's always best to go with HD springs, but with the 262's you should be ok. But new cams require new lifters. They wear together and should be replaced together. As for "tune", stock ECU will do just fine although software will liven the engine up some with/without cams.
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      06-02-2012 11:18 AM #3
      so if i get the hd valve springs + lifters the car will still idle and run good? i shouldnt have any cel problems? this is a lot of money to spend on an upgrade i just want to do a lot of researching before i stick this money into it

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      06-02-2012 12:41 PM #4
      Also budget new head gasket and head bolts. Not 100% completely necessary but I find it much easier to just do the valve springs with the head on a bench.
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      06-02-2012 02:19 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by carroot1 View Post
      so if i get the hd valve springs + lifters the car will still idle and run good? i shouldnt have any cel problems? this is a lot of money to spend on an upgrade i just want to do a lot of researching before i stick this money into it
      Yup. I have the TT268's and idle is just fine. Head does not 'need' to come off, so if money is tight don't worry about the HG stuff.
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      06-02-2012 03:41 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Scotty_2.0 View Post
      Yup. I have the TT268's and idle is just fine. Head does not 'need' to come off, so if money is tight don't worry about the HG stuff.
      ok so i play on just getting the autotech 262s with hd valvesprings and lifters. the timing chain does need to come off correct?

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      06-02-2012 04:13 PM #7
      Gears gotta come off the cams but if your real careful and sneaky you can leave the chain on. JUst do one at a time. Also check and double/ triple check the timing once done
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      06-02-2012 04:32 PM #8
      alright, im pretty sure we will end up removing my timing chains. this will be done by a mechanic so hopefully all goes smoothly.

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      06-04-2012 08:45 PM #11
      i'm regreting getting the 262's

      i did the mk4 headgasket and hd spring, cam followers and 262's with the bfi chip
      new valves and match ported and polished head

      i now wanna get the 268's if i do ill sell you my 262's for like 100$

      the idle is normal with either ive herd
      but the power band is much nicer with the 268's i want the drc 268's i'll let you know if i get them...

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      06-04-2012 09:04 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by 98GTI_VR6 View Post
      i'm regreting getting the 262's

      i did the mk4 headgasket and hd spring, cam followers and 262's with the bfi chip
      new valves and match ported and polished head

      i now wanna get the 268's if i do ill sell you my 262's for like 100$

      the idle is normal with either ive herd
      but the power band is much nicer with the 268's i want the drc 268's i'll let you know if i get them...
      now that makes me wonder about the drc 268s. would they require reinforced valvesprings or will the stock ones work fine? and for lifters?

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      06-04-2012 09:33 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by carroot1 View Post
      now that makes me wonder about the drc 268s. would they require reinforced valvesprings or will the stock ones work fine? and for lifters?
      Hd springs for those too, if a mechanics doing it get them to do the springs while the heads still on.
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      06-04-2012 10:56 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by masterqaz View Post
      Hd springs for those too, if a mechanics doing it get them to do the springs while the heads still on.
      How do you put new springs in with the head still on?

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      Compressed air to hold the valves closed and an overhead compressor. I can take the head off and change the gasket and springs quicker then that way.
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      06-05-2012 04:46 AM #16
      I have heard a lot of people say they regret getting the autotech 262.. and a lot of people saying they are the best for the money. I got the drc 268 and love them. Between the cams, a mk4 hg, and united ms software, I am very impressed. Completely different motor. I even beat my friends mk4 r32! the drc cams aren't much more then the autotech ones.. I would reccomend those ones!
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      06-05-2012 08:00 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by running_corrado View Post
      I have heard a lot of people say they regret getting the autotech 262.. and a lot of people saying they are the best for the money. I got the drc 268 and love them. Between the cams, a mk4 hg, and united ms software, I am very impressed. Completely different motor. I even beat my friends mk4 r32! the drc cams aren't much more then the autotech ones.. I would reccomend those ones!
      did you replace the vavlesprings and lifters also? whats the difference between 262s and 268s? more powerband ?

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      06-05-2012 08:16 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by carroot1 View Post
      did you replace the vavlesprings and lifters also? whats the difference between 262s and 268s? more powerband ?
      Anything bigger than the 262's and you pretty much have to use HD springs. The lifters are a step that some skip, but really shouldn't. The cam wears to the lifters and a new cam should ALWAYS get new lifters (unless they've been replaced recently).

      Main difference is more lift and longer duration. The power band moves up some. Still plenty of torque down low, but the top end really opens up.
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      06-05-2012 09:20 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Scotty_2.0 View Post
      Anything bigger than the 262's and you pretty much have to use HD springs. The lifters are a step that some skip, but really shouldn't. The cam wears to the lifters and a new cam should ALWAYS get new lifters (unless they've been replaced recently).

      Main difference is more lift and longer duration. The power band moves up some. Still plenty of torque down low, but the top end really opens up.
      So if i buy the auto tech hd valvesprings and lifters they will work with the drc 268s?

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      06-05-2012 09:22 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by carroot1 View Post
      So if i buy the auto tech hd valvesprings and lifters they will work with the drc 268s?
      Yes.
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    21. 06-05-2012 08:08 PM #21
      I agree with the rest I would get drc268's. I have them in my car and before I had TT264/260's and the difference is night and day. The 264/260's would run out of breath around 5000rpms while the DRC268's will keep pulling till about 6800rpms. I have plenty of torque down low there is never a drive-ability issue. If you ever want to get a really fun mod after the cams get a 3.94 R&P Final Drive that mod is another night and day experience b/c it gets your engine into the power band much quicker. Well Good luck I agree with everyone else that the drc268's are probably the best cam you can get for the money today.

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      06-05-2012 09:00 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by VR6DPLMT. View Post
      I agree with the rest I would get drc268's. I have them in my car and before I had TT264/260's and the difference is night and day. The 264/260's would run out of breath around 5000rpms while the DRC268's will keep pulling till about 6800rpms. I have plenty of torque down low there is never a drive-ability issue. If you ever want to get a really fun mod after the cams get a 3.94 R&P Final Drive that mod is another night and day experience b/c it gets your engine into the power band much quicker. Well Good luck I agree with everyone else that the drc268's are probably the best cam you can get for the money today.
      thanks, just guna take some time to get everything together and installed. I'll post an update when/if this happens

    23. 06-05-2012 09:38 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Grabbit View Post

      IMHO if you going to do the trouble of pulling the head to do a gasket and HD springs go with a larger cam (Schrick 268s).
      Agreed.

      My advice/course of action is:

      Milder then 262's (DRC 256, ect) Don't bother.

      Autotech 262's. Head stays on, stock springs, new lifters, done.

      268's(TT, DRC, Shrick ect) Head comes off, swap out the springs, new lifters, light clean up on the SSR and bowls, back cut the valves, good valve job, cut head to deshroud, hottank, new valve seals, Mk4 gasket, done.

      272-276 Skip them and go to 288's.

      288+ You shouldn't be needing to ask for advice if planning on running them.


      If going through the work of pulling the head and swapping the gasket, it doesn't make much sense to run 262's after all that work. But then again if pulling the head, it doesn't make sense not to spend a few hours and ~$200 cleaning up the head before throwing it back together.


      With this process, it's the difference between dropping in 262's adding ~8hp with the same powerband, and doing 268's,light headwork, and Mk4 gasket, adding ~15-20hp through the whole upper powerband, with ALOT more from 6000rpm up. Then you are a induction setup and management away from making good power, without having to tear the long block down again.

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      06-05-2012 10:13 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by JohnStamos View Post
      Agreed.

      My advice/course of action is:

      Milder then 262's (DRC 256, ect) Don't bother.

      Autotech 262's. Head stays on, stock springs, new lifters, done.

      268's(TT, DRC, Shrick ect) Head comes off, swap out the springs, new lifters, light clean up on the SSR and bowls, back cut the valves, good valve job, cut head to deshroud, hottank, new valve seals, Mk4 gasket, done.

      272-276 Skip them and go to 288's.

      288+ You shouldn't be needing to ask for advice if planning on running them.


      If going through the work of pulling the head and swapping the gasket, it doesn't make much sense to run 262's after all that work. But then again if pulling the head, it doesn't make sense not to spend a few hours and ~$200 cleaning up the head before throwing it back together.


      With this process, it's the difference between dropping in 262's adding ~8hp with the same powerband, and doing 268's,light headwork, and Mk4 gasket, adding ~15-20hp through the whole upper powerband, with ALOT more from 6000rpm up. Then you are a induction setup and management away from making good power, without having to tear the long block down again.

      what do you mean by "back cut the valves, good valve job, cut head to deshroud, hottank, new valve seals" is that all necessary?

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      Necessary, that is very subjective.
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