3000 lbs, 300 hp?

[cockerpunk]

in a slower turn where the s2000 would drop low into the rpms you would either have to downshift before you get to the turn and waist valuable time there or shift when coming out of the turn shifting during the turn is out of the question or you could just not shift at all and wait for revs to build back into the power band

either situation your loosing valuable time when you hand should be on the wheel and loosing acceleration time shifting. while car b with the broader powerband could just remain in the same gear without falling out of the powerband

do you know anything about performance driving? you shift before the corner ... s2000 is also rear drive, so you can get on it earlier and harder.

[cp16V]

I get 28-30 highway MPG
Have over 300hp and close to 400TRQ
it's a 4 door sedan that looks like a bland A4, unless you know
and very clean, well maintained examples can be had for under 10k
plus you get a 6speed and AWD
even more of a plus, if you spend alittle more you can pick a k04'd example = very fast, like annihilation of 90% of the vehicles on the road fast


but the internet will tell you everything breaks on them

I was going to suggest the same (B5 S4). I got 29 mpg on my last road trip with 3 in the car and packed to the gills with luggage (helping someone move home from school).
Fairly invisible unless you know what it is.
High maintenance is the turn off though.

[AHFlynn]

I was going to suggest the same (B5 S4). I got 29 mpg on my last road trip with 3 in the car and packed to the gills with luggage (helping someone move home from school).
Fairly invisible unless you know what it is.
High maintenance is the turn off though.

id agree. thats probably the best option. i wouldnt say no to a turboed honda 4 banger either but at 50 years old that probably wouldnt by my first choice.

[babarber]

do you know anything about performance driving? you shift before the corner ... s2000 is also rear drive, so you can get on it earlier and harder.

exactly you shift before the corner when you have to shift i was just saying that to illustrate that no matter what you do time is lost and what i was implying is that with the other car you dont have to shift

[jepva]

Cant believe no one has recommended this yet- cobalt ss. 2.0l ecotec will do 300hp and 30 highway all day long. Also under 3000 lbs.

And in debadged sedan form, definitely a sleeper.

[Aonarch]

Right.

A GTO would seem to fit, but it's less fuel-efficient and a bit more than $10k.

If he removes the sleeper requirement there are tons of vehicles out there with a bit of love put into them that can achieve what he wants and even better in some catagories.

OP buy a $3-5k S13 or S14 240SX and drop a LS kit into it. It will be under $10k and you can hit high 20's on the highway, hell 30 if you tune it right and do some stripping.

[InternetMeme]

So you want a 300hp, >3000lb, 30+mpg car that's reliable, glides under the radar and is a highway cruiser?



I want a car that shoots rainbows from the tailpipe with a driver that high fives me and tells me I'm awesome. Oh- and instead of a crotch vent I want a fleshlight built in.

[hyperformancevw]

[hyperformancevw]

exactly you shift before the corner when you have to shift i was just saying that to illustrate that no matter what you do time is lost and what i was implying is that with the other car you dont have to shift

How is time lost on a down shift during braking

And this thread just went full retard

[xtravbx]

If 15 cars in a row are doing the same speed (above speed limit) and 14 are family cars and one is a brightly colored Corvette, which car gets pulled over? The Corvette does...this happened to my uncle.

But thanks for the helpful advice.

Truth

[jazzcat2001]

I was going to suggest the same (B5 S4). I got 29 mpg on my last road trip with 3 in the car and packed to the gills with luggage (helping someone move home from school).
Fairly invisible unless you know what it is.
High maintenance is the turn off though.

this^^ debadge it and it looks like any other a4..get a silver one or a 'normal color' and youre golden

Cant believe no one has recommended this yet- cobalt ss. 2.0l ecotec will do 300hp and 30 highway all day long. Also under 3000 lbs.

And in debadged sedan form, definitely a sleeper.

first page someone did

[Shomegrown]

Ls1 gto.

[jepva]

Ls1 gto.

Eh? 3700 lbs, not close to 3000. Also definitely not a sleeper..they were only made with a V8, are a coupe, and all the ones I've seen are flashy colors like yellow or red...and i question those who say you can get anything close to 30 mpg highway in them.

[Live-Wire]

Buick Regal GS. It misses the mark on a couple points (3500 lbs and 240 hp), but it's damn-near invisible and will eat the highway miles in comfort.

Comfort? Where?!?! That car has the most uncomfortable seats I've ever sat in... Was fast, but nothing special anymore. I'd even take a freakin Altima V6 over that POS.

[babarber]

How is time lost on a down shift during braking

And this thread just went full retard

have you ever autocrossed before? with that statement i dont think so. if you have time to take your hand off the wheel then downshift, you arent going at the turn hard enough. thats why 95% of the time in auto-x once your in 2nd you stay there

[Ross1013]

in a slower turn where the s2000 would drop low into the rpms you would either have to downshift before you get to the turn and waist valuable time there or shift when coming out of the turn shifting during the turn is out of the question or you could just not shift at all and wait for revs to build back into the power band

either situation your loosing valuable time when you hand should be on the wheel and loosing acceleration time shifting. while car b with the broader powerband could just remain in the same gear without falling out of the powerband

Ever hear of heel-toe downshifting?

Also, you're still going to have to shift in a GTI. Just a few less times per lap.

[Turbio!]

Torque is for exceleration, hp is for top speed.....

Except not really.

[mr lee]

300hp/3klbs = 1:10 power to weight. Break this down to a lower common denominator and your well on your way.

If that's your criteria, then finding a 200hp/2klb or 250hp/2500lbs car that can get 30mpg is much more obtainable, especially in stealth form.

[cockerpunk]

have you ever autocrossed before? with that statement i dont think so. if you have time to take your hand off the wheel then downshift, you arent going at the turn hard enough. thats why 95% of the time in auto-x once your in 2nd you stay there

actually, if you are ever shifting in a straight line in autocross you are loosing time. always shift during braking or turning ... unless there literately is no other choice, always during braking or turning.

[babarber]

actually, if you are ever shifting in a straight line in autocross you are loosing time. always shift during braking or turning ... unless there literately is no other choice, always during braking or turning.

no matter what you do your loosing time shifting thats why i said you stay in 2nd gear 95% of the time and thats why a car with a broader powerband is quicker out of the corners

[Ross1013]

no matter what you do your loosing time shifting thats why i said you stay in 2nd gear 95% of the time and thats why a car with a broader powerband is quicker out of the corners

And do you really think a GTI, with all its weight out over the front axle, is going to be quicker around a tiny autocross than an S2000 w/its near-perfect weight balance?

We get what you are saying about area under the curve, but you're taking the argument to extremes and lessening its effectiveness.

[babarber]

And do you really think a GTI, with all its weight out over the front axle, is going to be quicker around a tiny autocross than an S2000 w/its near-perfect weight balance?

We get what you are saying about area under the curve, but you're taking the argument to extremes and lessening its effectiveness.

i was never talking about the cars here i was talking about the engines and their powerband

i very much know s2000 is hella fast around the track
im strictly talking about their engines
i would gladly drive an s2000 over a vw for auto-x
all im doing is proving how the 1.8t engine is faster out of a corner then the s2000 engine

so long story short s2000 is a faster car but the gti has a faster engine

[muffintop]

Get a 1st gen CTS-V, sure they may not get exactly 30 mpg but it makes up for it in power. Plus it's a Cadillac so police won't bother.

Good luck finding anything for $10k that is of your requirements.

[Sniped43]

94-96 Dodge Stealth Twin Turbo.

-Just over 3000lbs
-Just over 300hp
-If you're light on it, you MIGHT get 30mpg
-Can be had for under 10k
-AND ITS STEALTH

Edit: Spelling

[Ross1013]

no matter what you do your loosing time shifting thats why i said you stay in 2nd gear 95% of the time and thats why a car with a broader powerband is quicker out of the corners

To be near the 3000lb target weight, he would need a front-drive model...were they sold with the higher-output turbo motor?

[lubok]

i was never talking about the cars here i was talking about the engines and their powerband

i very much know s2000 is hella fast around the track
im strictly talking about their engines
i would gladly drive an s2000 over a vw for auto-x
all im doing is proving how the 1.8t engine is faster out of a corner then the s2000 engine

so long story short s2000 is a faster car but the gti has a faster engine

Yes but the torque displayed in one of your graphs above is under constant load. Coming out a corner and getting on a throttle you are not getting the same torque as there will be some lag even if it is little as the turbo will need to spool again

[babarber]

no with stock turbo and a tune the 1.8t fwd VWs are only capable of 225HP and 275 ft-lbTQ

with heavy modifications the stock turbo is capable of about 240-250hp at the wheels
thought im pretty sure thats not the OPs plan even though the gti/jetta is a pretty good "under the radar" car with some pep

anyway im not trying to force the OP to buy a vw im just trying to prove how torque readings are important and how a car with a decent amount of torque output in the low-mid range is faster out of the corners compared to an all hp honda vtec engine

[babarber]

Yes but the torque displayed in one of your graphs above is under constant load. Coming out a corner and getting on a throttle you are not getting the same torque as there will be some lag even if it is little as the turbo will need to spool again

the k03s turbo on the 1.8t is near instant spool at 3k rpms i mean literally in 1/4 a second the k03s can go from full vacuum to full boost at or above 3k rpm thats why most people who auto-x their 1.8t stay with the stock turbo

[Aonarch]

[tasty danish]

i want to see your sources about 300hp out of the 1.8L economically

miataturbo.net

^have a ball. Stay off boost on the highway. Good tune: presto 30mpg. Easily under 10K

[cockerpunk]

no matter what you do your loosing time shifting thats why i said you stay in 2nd gear 95% of the time and thats why a car with a broader powerband is quicker out of the corners

no

[Dieselstation]

i want to see your sources about 300hp out of the 1.8L economically

Jeff Abbot's 1.8L Turbo easily makes 300hp: http://slickauto.net/?q=blog
This one gets 433hp: http://www.streetfire.net/video/turb...more_88217.htm
400hp here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQHjm6MtjMI
325hp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9JWe-XFLbQ

[bificus99]

Best bet for the cash.

[VertigoGTI]

It at least has 'stealth' covered.

[Juiced6]

2003+ Lincoln LS
280hp V8
RWD
4 door automatic

can get close to 25mpg highway

can be had for 7-8k. Put a nitrous kit on it or a few bolt ons to hit 300hp