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    Thread: Drove a 2013 V6 Performance Pack. Mustang Today

    1. 06-02-2012 09:56 PM #1
      No pictures of the actual car because I wasn't really intent on buying, the dealer called and wanted to see if they could score a deal with me; no pressure. Actually it felt like they didn't even want me in there, who knows.

      I took out a V6 with the Performance Package by myself, jaunted on two on-ramps and off again and around a twisty road.

      What I thought was interesting, in all the epic battles of BRZ/FRS vs V6 Mustang's people call the Mustang a pig in the corners, this simply isn't true, its very confident in the turns, that sucker was planted.

      I think the bigger issue with the Mustang were the brakes, man they do not inspire confidence at all especially at "Highway" speeds, the pedal feel is mushy and I prayed to god I wasn't going to rear end the guy in front of me decelerating from "Highway" speed.

      On a non performance point, my god is the factory radio bad, like really bad, like MKV VW bad, but that's another story.

      TL: DR: V6 Mustang handles very well, brakes and radio suck.



      I shall now wait for the invasion of the BRZ/FRS crowd.... Maybe I will go and give a Genesis a whirl this weekend too dunno.
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      I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

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    4. 06-02-2012 11:11 PM #4
      shaker 550 is a very good stereo, your mustang didnt have it?
      Brembo brakes package would fix your other issue..

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      06-02-2012 11:12 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      I think the bigger issue with the Mustang were the brakes, man they do not inspire confidence at all especially at "Highway" speeds, the pedal feel is mushy and I prayed to god I wasn't going to rear end the guy in front of me decelerating from "Highway" speed.
      Ford has always had the worst feeling brakes. They have the "mushy" feeling down for sure.

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      06-02-2012 11:25 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Vans View Post
      Ford has always had the worst feeling brakes. They have the "mushy" feeling down for sure.
      IDK, normally I would say yes but my '11 F-150 stops pretty nicely.

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      06-02-2012 11:36 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      What I thought was interesting, in all the epic battles of BRZ/FRS vs V6 Mustang's people call the Mustang a pig in the corners, this simply isn't true, its very confident in the turns, that sucker was planted.
      I shall now wait for the invasion of the BRZ/FRS crowd.... Maybe I will go and give a Genesis a whirl this weekend too dunno.
      I haven't driven the BRZ so my comments are not in comparison.
      I feel about the Mustang the same way I feel about the Camaro SS I rented. They are both competent, and will go pretty fast round the corners, have plenty of grip and even the steering is ok, but they feel BIG. I guess its also something about the response to inputs through the steering and gas pedal. They felt bigger then my FX45, not to speak of G37 (my usual loaner) and I can only imagine next to an MX-5 or BRZ.
      Is it a bad thing? no, its a matter of preference.

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      06-02-2012 11:39 PM #9
      Interesting how they put dual exhausts on the v6 model, I have not seen this in the past.

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      06-02-2012 11:40 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      What I thought was interesting, in all the epic battles of BRZ/FRS vs V6 Mustang's people call the Mustang a pig in the corners, this simply isn't true, its very confident in the turns, that sucker was planted.
      Well I doubt the Mustang is really a "pig" in the corners but compared to the BRZ/FRS, it probably isn't as agile. I haven't driven either, let alone back-to-back but keep in mind car mag reviews are built on hyperbole, otherwise they wouldn't exist. So when a magazine criticizes the Mustang's handling, it's all relative.

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      I think that it is raw enough that at 50% of potential, it would be terrifying enough to be fun. One of those 'you never see the tree that is going to kill you because you are sliding into it backwards' kind of cars.

    12. 06-02-2012 11:46 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by amdmaxx View Post
      shaker 550 is a very good stereo, your mustang didnt have it?
      Brembo brakes package would fix your other issue..
      Neither of those options are available, I just drove the Base V6 with Performance Package, with no other options minus the decklid spoiler and stripes.
      Quote Originally Posted by Vans View Post
      Ford has always had the worst feeling brakes. They have the "mushy" feeling down for sure.
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      IDK, normally I would say yes but my '11 F-150 stops pretty nicely.
      My Ranger has better brake feel than the Mustang, which is kind of scary.

      Quote Originally Posted by 8v_gti777 View Post
      How'd you like the engine?
      That's one of the pluses, the engine and transmission feel great, very very small clutch travel to engage it. Engine wound up pretty nice, it needs a better exhaust on it though, the Pentastar sounds a lot better stock for stock.
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      I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

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      06-02-2012 11:46 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by RacerrRex View Post
      WTF is up with all these new mustangs coming in bright, loud, ugly, gay colors?
      It's not that bad but I am already starting to get bored of it.

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      06-02-2012 11:50 PM #14
      i love the look of this gen mustang but i dont think i could ever be ok with owning a v6 muscle car.

      also motortrend disagrees with your write up
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    15. 06-02-2012 11:54 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by AHFlynn View Post
      i love the look of this gen mustang but i dont think i could ever be ok with owning a v6 muscle car.

      also motortrend disagrees with your write up
      They do agree with the brakes sucking, seemingly even the Boss 302 has crappy brakes.

      The V6 is fine, I don't even know why you would need more than 323hp on the street; it was hard enough keeping it under "Highway" speeds.
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      I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

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      06-03-2012 12:01 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      They do agree with the brakes sucking, seemingly even the Boss 302 has crappy brakes.

      The V6 is fine, I don't even know why you would need more than 323hp on the street; it was hard enough keeping it under "Highway" speeds.
      Look, I don't want to start the whole Toyobaru thing but that's a huge reason why people like it. What fun is it if you can't drive a really powerful car fast? Barring any track events - strictly talking use on public roads.

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      06-03-2012 12:10 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by RacerrRex View Post
      WTF is up with all these new mustangs coming in bright, loud, ugly, gay colors?
      I think the green is awesome. If nothing else, it's a step in the right direction where most manufacturers are trying to out-Audi each other in terms of offering the most uninteresting color palette possible.

    18. 06-03-2012 12:13 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      Look, I don't want to start the whole Toyobaru thing but that's a huge reason why people like it. What fun is it if you can't drive a really powerful car fast? Barring any track events - strictly talking use on public roads.
      I agree with your point, but both would probably be pretty boring or annoying to drive daily; as much power as the Mustang has, it likes being wrung out.
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      I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

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      06-03-2012 12:20 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      I agree with your point, but both would probably be pretty boring or annoying to drive daily; as much power as the Mustang has, it likes being wrung out.
      No car is fun driving in a traffic jam but you can wring out the Toyobaru more than you can the Mustang and still stay relatively close to the limit without attracting too much attention to yourself. Revving both cars to 5k rpm will get you different results on the street. One will attract a lot of attention and the other will probably stay under the radar but will bring a huge smile on your face.

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      Quote Originally Posted by RacerrRex View Post
      WTF is up with all these new mustangs coming in bright, loud, ugly, gay colors?
      People like you are why we have so many boring silver, grey and beige cars.
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      People like you are why we have so many boring silver, grey and beige cars.
      Serious question, but does anyone ever actually see brand new beige cars anymore?

      I think light blue has officially replaced beige as the official car color for old people.

    22. 06-03-2012 12:27 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      No car is fun driving in a traffic jam but you can wring out the Toyobaru more than you can the Mustang and still stay relatively close to the limit without attracting too much attention to yourself. Revving both cars to 5k rpm will get you different results on the street. One will attract a lot of attention and the other will probably stay under the radar but will bring a huge smile on your face.
      If the driving feel of the BRZ is any better than the Mustang as far as cornering confidence is concerned, its going to be pretty boring driving around town; you could stoplight drag either one of them, but that's not the point.
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      I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

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      Theres lots of color oppportunites that look good, without looking like bag of tropical skittles.
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      I think that it is raw enough that at 50% of potential, it would be terrifying enough to be fun. One of those 'you never see the tree that is going to kill you because you are sliding into it backwards' kind of cars.

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      06-03-2012 12:36 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      If the driving feel of the BRZ is any better than the Mustang as far as cornering confidence is concerned, its going to be pretty boring driving around town; you could stoplight drag either one of them, but that's not the point.
      When you're going through the gears in the Toyobaru, even at low speeds you will feel a lot more strain/feedback from the engine and car at lower speeds. In the Mustang you won't really feel anything going slow around town because it's a powerful car and it shines only when going fast. So that's where the saying driving a slow car "fast" is more fun than driving a fast car slow.

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      06-03-2012 12:49 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post

      The V6 is fine, I don't even know why you would need more than 323hp on the street;

    27. 06-03-2012 12:50 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      When you're going through the gears in the Toyobaru, even at low speeds you will feel a lot more strain/feedback from the engine and car at lower speeds. In the Mustang you won't really feel anything going slow around town because it's a powerful car and it shines only when going fast. So that's where the saying driving a slow car "fast" is more fun than driving a fast car slow.

      My definition of boring may be different here, putting the petal to the floor and shifting like crazy doesn't make the Ranger fun to drive or any car for that matter, it makes it just as annoying in the opposite direction for me. Basically what I'm saying is, if you're not pushing either one of these to their limits, they're probably going to be boring.
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      I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

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      06-03-2012 12:51 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by RacerrRex View Post
      WTF is up with all these new mustangs coming in bright, loud, ugly, gay colors?
      WTF is up with all these other cars coming in dull, lame, ugly, boring colors?
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    29. 06-03-2012 12:52 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      He said muscle cars, if I'm not mistaken the V6 Camaro makes the most power at 323hp, I suppose I should have used italics on the it.

      Dammit my grammar is horrible tonight, I can't even edit this right.
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      I'm more amused by the scientific formulas people bring up to justify why a BRZ lost to a Megane. Like really? All that college education you paid for and a BRZ is that important to you to go into some asinine explanation about how it's still a good track car?

    30. 06-03-2012 12:53 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      When you're going through the gears in the Toyobaru, even at low speeds you will feel a lot more strain/feedback from the engine and car at lower speeds. In the Mustang you won't really feel anything going slow around town because it's a powerful car and it shines only when going fast. So that's where the saying driving a slow car "fast" is more fun than driving a fast car slow.

      I've driven plenty of slow cars fast and it was always pretty boring bro.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      My definition of boring may be different here, putting the petal to the floor and shifting like crazy doesn't make the Ranger fun to drive or any car for that matter, it makes it just as annoying in the opposite direction for me. Basically what I'm saying is, if you're not pushing either one of these to their limits, they're probably going to be boring.
      I had a feeling you'd bring up non-performance cars in this. The Toyobaru and Ranger have extremely different driving dynamics, even at low speeds from the clutch feel to the way it delivers power, to the size to the way it actually shifts. Same with economy cars. I'm talking about sports/sporty cars here, not trucks, not econoboxes.

      So while driving a manual econobox and/or truck will require more involvment and "feedback" at lower speeds than a Mustang they are still not made for spirited driving like the Toyobaru and cars like it.

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      06-03-2012 12:57 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by ToucheTurtle View Post
      I've driven plenty of slow cars fast and it was always pretty boring bro.
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      I had a feeling you'd bring up non-performance cars in this. The Toyobaru and Ranger have extremely different driving dynamics, even at low speeds from the clutch feel to the way it delivers power, to the size to the way it actually shifts. Same with economy cars. I'm talking about sports/sporty cars here, not trucks, not econoboxes.

      So while driving a manual econobox and/or truck will require more involvment and "feedback" at lower speeds than a Mustang they are still not made for spirited driving like the Toyobaru and cars like it.
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      06-03-2012 12:57 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      He said muscle cars, if I'm not mistaken the V6 Camaro makes the most power at 323hp, I suppose I should have used italics on the it.

      Dammit my grammar is horrible tonight, I can't even edit this right.
      The way it was written it sounded like you were talking about the hp of mustang---afterall your whole thread is about the mustang. Either way however, I get your point.

    35. 06-03-2012 01:00 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by TetsuoShima View Post
      I had a feeling you'd bring up non-performance cars in this. The Toyobaru and Ranger have extremely different driving dynamics, even at low speeds from the clutch feel to the way it delivers power, to the size to the way it actually shifts. Same with economy cars. I'm talking about sports/sporty cars here, not trucks, not econoboxes.

      So while driving a manual econobox and/or truck will require more involvment and "feedback" at lower speeds than a Mustang they are still not made for spirited driving like the Toyobaru and cars like it.
      So you're saying this one car, out of how many is going to be that one slow-fast car, that's fun to drive?
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