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    06-07-2012 05:32 PM #1
    My clutch burned up and was smoking through the timing hole With power loss uphill

    Clutch failure happened after all kinds of performance mods+ new stock parts

    Header,Volvo cis intake, new clutch cable, accelerator cable, block breather, synthetic oil, Windage tray, etc

    I forgot what code transmission I have

    I'm looking for something tougher than stock but a decent price

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    06-07-2012 05:36 PM #2
    unless you ride the clutch pedal, a stock disc and pp are plenty good for the street.
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    06-07-2012 08:10 PM #3
    you got a different problem. I have used stock clutches on 16Vs a lot bigger and more powerful with zero failures.

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    06-07-2012 09:40 PM #4
    Well, he never said how old the clutch was to begin with. I've done upgrades on an 8V and then found out the clutch would slip, but that was the original clutch for that car. With lots of miles and abuse on it already.

    That or the new cable is adjusted wrong.
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    06-26-2012 08:26 PM #5
    I've driven over 10,000 miles in the past 6 months and over the 20 biggest mountains in America and that was before I even started modding it out so it's an old clutch

    Once I got where I was going I still ragged it out on rally style roads and hill climbing

    So yeah a few weeks before I put the volvo cis intake on it & header it
    was slipping slightly and only got progressively worse

    It's my clutch I know because of the acrid smoke from the timing hole and black goo material on the bell housing
    Nothing anyone thinks can me think otherwise as to what is wrong

    I'm not your usual mechanically inept moron


    Main advice I need is on what sizing for clutch and what brand or parts to replace while I'm
    Having fun for longevity of engine trans and etc.
    I live next to a machine shop in case I need to replane the fly wheel or maybe lighten it For more fun

    My trans is fine and full o gear oil, FN code
    Engine pl 16v
    I want a clutch that will last several years

    I have an offer for a almost new spec stage 2 clutch I may pull the trigger on

  6. 06-26-2012 08:45 PM #6
    lighten the flywheel, it's an easy cheap mod.
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    06-26-2012 11:27 PM #7
    just use a aba pressure plate and a 4 puck clutchnet sprung disk. $250 total price. I made almost 200 whp and that combo held it easily.

  8. 06-27-2012 08:59 PM #8
    Don't remember, don't feel like searching, are FNs big or small shaft?
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  9. 06-29-2012 10:48 PM #9
    My stock clutch held up surprisingly well until I started pushing past 12 psi of boost. For normally aspirated, I'd stick with stock due to the cost.

    I now have a Spec stage 2 and LOVE IT. It feels as smooth or better than factory and no slippage whatsoever even past 18 psi.

    Oh and get a lightened flywheel ASAP. Your first quick blip of the throttle to match the revs on a downshift will make it worth it. The engine won't really make any more power, but like I said, downshifts become way more fun.

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    07-04-2012 11:31 AM #10
    I've tried searching I can't figure out if it's small or large spline 190 or 210mm

    I've found many websites with conflicting information on their charts

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    07-05-2012 12:46 AM #11
    Quote Originally Posted by psychobandito View Post
    Don't remember, don't feel like searching, are FNs big or small shaft?
    FN's are generally small shaft. As for 190 or 210mm, that will depend upon the FW. If you don't know, then you will have to drop the tranny and see, or buy all three pieces(disc,PP,FW). But, if you drop the tranny, then you can verify the input shaft size too.
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    07-05-2012 04:41 PM #12
    Actually it's an ff I cleaned the trans off more today
    I think a couple of the ratios are different the 3rd is lower ratio and the 5th is higher

    I'm pretty sure it's 190 mm
    Im really thinking about this spec stage 2 clutch from
    Peter over at thescirocco.com

    Tell him I sent you if you need aftermarket performance
    He's a great guy to deal with

    After I'm done welding this subframe bar together
    I'll take the trans out and see what the p/o's have put together in this drivetrain
    Everything else but this has touched my hands and been changed
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    07-05-2012 06:07 PM #13
    FF is also and early trans code, so most likely will have a small input shaft and normally came with a 190mm disc size, but that can be altered at any time.

    And I have dealt with the Scirocco.com a few times and have always had a good transaction.
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    07-07-2012 03:15 PM #14
    He is hooking me up with the necessary parts to convert it over,
    And a lightened flywheel


    Quote Originally Posted by scirocconaut View Post
    Actually it's an ff I cleaned the trans off more today
    I think a couple of the ratios are different the 3rd is lower ratio and the 5th is higher

    I'm pretty sure it's 190 mm
    Im really thinking about this spec stage 2 clutch from
    Peter over at thescirocco.com

    Tell him I sent you if you need aftermarket performance
    He's a great guy to deal with

    After I'm done welding this subframe bar together
    I'll take the trans out and see what the p/o's have put together in this drivetrain
    Everything else but this has touched my hands and been changed

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    08-07-2012 01:39 PM #15
    Turns out I already had a 210 mm clutch and flywheel/ pressure plate.

    He sold me a pressure plate but I used my old one because it seemed to be still good,
    I used a 6 puck clutch disc, threw my old circular one in the trash
    it was mostly black powder

    Installed the new bushings and cap and put a new pushrod in with 2L of royal purple
    In the trans

    I weighed and measured my old one against the new lightened flywheel
    They are the same and around 9-10 pounds

    Turns out I already had a lightened one

    Maybe the bad pushrod made the clutch disc go bad?
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