Though I wish they tested the Passat over the Jetta - it would return about 10% better fuel consumption figures.
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Originally Posted by MT
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...an_comparison/
Once again, the Elantra gets the lowest observed mileage in a comparison test
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Though I wish they tested the Passat over the Jetta - it would return about 10% better fuel consumption figures.
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Wouldn't the Passat sit in another price segment?
And might as well get this out of the way: Golf TDI > everything in this test?
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Seeing the TDI only barely squeak out better economy than a bunch of gas engined cars is kind of embarrassing. Whatever happened to 50mpg TDIs? The car was driven on a fuel-economy loop so it's hard to make the "aggressive magazine driver" argument.
If I were buying a car like this with a priority on fuel economy I think I'd end up with a Mazda3 or a Focus SE with a stick (not the SFE). Didn't someone recently run the numbers and find that none of the active-grille-shutter trickery packages actually pay off?
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Wow, so much for that TDI.
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Another case of support for the EPA underrating diesels, or getting diesels quite right and being a more off on others?
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#8
Jetta had the DSG.
Since in theory with the MT you should be able to cruise your way yo over 50 MPG in the right conditions. However since most Americans choose an automatic I guess it is fair to say deisels are not the bright future for Americans some would like them to be.
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#9
The TDI was misrepresented here. There will be plenty of owners come in here and say the same. Its nothing new.
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#10
Yeah, let's just ignore the Elantra doing a good bit better than the Focus SFE in the Popular Mechanics MPG test as well as the one done by Car & Driver (currently only available in print).
For the C&D test, the Elantra did a bit better than the Focus SFE and Cruze Eco, but the Mazda3 SkyActiv was even better.
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How did they manage to mess that one up, I get 42mpg in my 04 jetta tdi with 18x8.5 bbs ch's and crappy china 225/40 tires driving 120+ on the highway and doing about a 70% highway, 30% city split, if I put a bit of effort in and drive a bit slower I get close to 50mpg
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#16
Blunder??
The Skyactiv is 14:1 compression, or so was my impression from reading about it a few days ago. (EDIT: Just did some checking and I guess the numbers arent clear? Maybe it's 13:1? If it's 12:1, that's really nothing special).
Props to Mazda on the great technology.
Still think the TDI beats it though... and really not just saying that as a diesel fan. Not sure it's a valid comparison to use air metering and whatever other gimmicks they used to measure economy. What I do know is 42mpg in the Jetta TDI is nonsense, if it's highway conditions we are talking about. The Jetta should have easily been at an honest 48-51mpg at 65mph.
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By all accounts, the SkyActiv is a winner for Mazda; the question is whether that is enough for Mazda.
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#24
I'm sure MT messed something up with their assumptions, to be kind to MT...
I routinely see 50mpg at 65mph in my GOLF, which is LESS aerodynamic than the Jetta. Even with the shorter-geared DSG, the TDI should give near 50mpg at 65mph. Many other people around here will vouch for that fact.
Motortrend messed something up, and I have a hard time believing it's coincidence. It's more like, dont want VW to be in a league of its own and embarrass all the wannabe-50mpg cars.
#25
Its a well known fact that the illuminati have been waging a secret war on TDIs for decades now. All the major auto journalists are in on it.
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#27
The Passat TDI SE is $2k less expensive as the Jetta they tested, though the Jetta was clearly the most expensive of the group.
And no, the TDI wasn't the winner in overall ratings, just observed fuel economy and 0-60 (tied).
I just took a 2000 mile roadtrip in mine. I averaged about 49 mpg for the highway stints (cruise set 65-75) and 46 mpg for the entire trip (including in town stop/go at the destinations). It can also go about 900 miles on a tank on the highway. Overall, I'm quite pleased with it in terms of the powertrain.
This test clearly shows there are other great choices to be had in the gasoline ranks, which is something that couldn't be said just a few years ago.![]()
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Here's there projected MPG chart for all of the cars in the test. Mileage vs. speed (steady state cruising, AKA the TDI driver's best friend).
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#30
at all the people whining about how the TDI 'got hosed', etc.
It averaged 41.6 MPG on the loop of stop and go, highway, etc. That's freaking good.
Some of you guys need to stop drinking the goddamned kool-aid.
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#31
You have a good point. The gas engines have come a long way.
Bear in mind the Jetta DSG is hardly the best spec for fuel economy, but to be fair some of the other cars (Cruze) weren't optimally spec'd either.
The Passat manual (and probably DSG) would do a legit 50 mpg at 70 mph.
#33
i find it funny that the mazda3 was marked the winner even though in fuel cost/mile, it was more expensive than everything but the Elantra... and only tied with the Focus SFE.
i also dislike the skewed/biased numbers toward the Jetta TDI. by making it an optioned up DSG model they gave it two strikes right up front, mileage and purchase price. the TDI was optioned way up to $27k, so i wonder how price played into the ratings?
fueleconomy.gov users say that the manual Jetta TDI gets about +3mpg more than the DSG does.
they need to stop the friggen biases here.
manual engines, unless n/a.
base models, so that 'amenities' don't skew opinion.
take purchase price out of the equation, unless they are going to include RESALE price as well.
^ do that and you will have a more realistic test.
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