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      06-12-2012 08:13 AM #1
      2004 Jetta. Anything I need to look out for in ordering a key fob. Alternatives to getting it cut and programmed at the dealership? Thanks

      I should have stated that I currently have no key in my possession, it is lost in my house or was stolen along with my by some girls that are not too fond of me while I was under the influence of ....
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      06-12-2012 08:17 AM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by stormtroopered View Post
      2004 Jetta. Anything I need to look out for in ordering a key fob. Alternatives to getting it cut and programmed at the dealership? Thanks
      There are a few locksmiths that can do keys like that, but they're unusual. How much is it to do at the dealership? It may not be worth the hassle trying to find an aftermarket solution when you can just walk into the dealership, give 'em your paperwork and voila! Instant key!
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      06-12-2012 08:20 AM #3
      Sitting in a Business Law class right now, about to call on break and find out, I believe I've read up to $350 at the stealership, had this predicament a couple of months ago. Regardless, I need a spare so its time to go forth with it take the shot to the wallet.
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      06-12-2012 08:21 AM #4
      2004 jetta will have an immobilizer. Will need some registration copies and drivers license generally to order the key at the dealer. At that point the key will need programmed to the immobilizer (generally 1 hr shop time). Dealer is pretty much only spot to go.

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      06-12-2012 08:25 AM #5
      http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-...Key/ES1866570/

      Would getting the "guts" off of ebay and ordering this part be an alternative to buying the key from the dealer?
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      06-12-2012 08:26 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by jasonknezo View Post
      2004 jetta will have an immobilizer. Will need some registration copies and drivers license generally to order the key at the dealer. At that point the key will need programmed to the immobilizer (generally 1 hr shop time). Dealer is pretty much only spot to go.
      $350? Ouch.

      I remember back in about 1990 having to tell people that their 928 keys were $75.00! Of course, they were laser cut on 3 planes (tumblers at three angles - six cuts if you count both sides of the key) and had to come from Germany after proof of ownership. There were no electronics involved back then. Well, other than the watch battery and the tiny light bulb in it!
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      06-12-2012 08:31 AM #7
      You wouldn't have happened to be Memphis Raines younger brothers friend Tumbler would you?
      I know this situation is killing me!
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      06-12-2012 08:33 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by stormtroopered View Post
      You wouldn't have happened to be Memphis Raines younger brothers friend Tumbler would you?
      I know this situation is killing me!
      If you're talking to me, no. I worked at a Porsche dealership parts department in '89-'90.
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      06-12-2012 10:02 AM #9
      This place can cut keys for you: http://sidewinderkeys.com/

      We just had a key cut for our '01 through there. Cheaper than the dealer. We have a buddy who is going to help us match the immobilizer too. No dealer needed!
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      06-12-2012 10:07 AM #10
      When I had my Honda I bought a flip key shell on ebay for a cheap, swapped the guys, then had the dealer cut it for $8.

      I take it your fob isn't working so you need a whole new key with internals? $350 sounds expensive

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      06-12-2012 10:22 AM #11
      The problem is the key is lost in my house. I'm moving out in a month so I figure what better time to get a spare, right? Talked to the dealership, $165 for the key, $53 for programming. Problem is that the car needs to be at the dealership for programming, I am 22 miles away from the dealership. Haven't even begun to call towing companies yet.

      I can get a blank with no transponder for $45 from ECS, does anyone know if I get the lower half off of eBay with the buttons can they clear that and program it to my car?
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      06-12-2012 10:28 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by stormtroopered View Post
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    14. 06-12-2012 11:01 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by stormtroopered View Post
      http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-...Key/ES1866570/

      Would getting the "guts" off of ebay and ordering this part be an alternative to buying the key from the dealer?
      My dealership has several signs up that clearly state they will not cut keys that are not bought from them.

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      06-12-2012 11:30 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by stormtroopered View Post
      The problem is the key is lost in my house. I'm moving out in a month so I figure what better time to get a spare, right? Talked to the dealership, $165 for the key, $53 for programming. Problem is that the car needs to be at the dealership for programming, I am 22 miles away from the dealership. Haven't even begun to call towing companies yet.

      I can get a blank with no transponder for $45 from ECS, does anyone know if I get the lower half off of eBay with the buttons can they clear that and program it to my car?
      Cutting is to be different for every dealer. The Audi dealer i work at (I work in Parts), we can't even cut keys, they are cut at the warehouse and sent with the rest of the parts we order.

      The electronic fob CAN be programmed/reprogrammed to another car, as long as the part number is correct (i.e. as long as it's the right key.) This is essentially how it works when you order a 2nd or 3rd key. You bring all the other keys in, and they all get reprogrammed sequentially.

      That said, keep in mind that if you order a new key, get it cut and programmed, if you ever find the one key you lost, it won't work anymore. It'll still open doors/trunk/glove box, but won't start the car.

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      06-12-2012 11:37 AM #17
      8 years ago there was a Class-Action Lawsuit settlement dealing with the issue of Smart-Key replacement. Check out the following documents:

      VW/Audi Settlement Notice

      List of Authorized Independent Repair Shops that can cut/program VW/Audi Keys.


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      06-12-2012 11:42 AM #18
      Overnight parts from... Germany, must be used. I do not have the key pattern to copy from at the dealership, hence the problem I'm in, so I must get my car to the dealership and order a new key, whatever screw it, its only money.
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      06-12-2012 11:45 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by The Swami View Post
      8 years ago there was a Class-Action Lawsuit settlement dealing with the issue of Smart-Key replacement. Check out the following documents:

      VW/Audi Settlement Notice

      List of Authorized Independent Repair Shops that can cut/program VW/Audi Keys.


      I hope this helps!!

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      Was going to post that.

      Quote Originally Posted by stormtroopered View Post
      Overnight parts from... Germany, must be used. I do not have the key pattern to copy from at the dealership, hence the problem I'm in, so I must get my car to the dealership and order a new key, whatever screw it, its only money.
      The dealer can probably cut the key from the VIN number but they can't program the key without the car.
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      06-12-2012 11:50 AM #20
      As an independent I can program them but i still order the key and upper by vin from my local stealership, the remote/lower portion i buy from a distributor, and program them all together, and as stated if you ever find the old key it will be locked out of the immo, only keys present at time of programming will start the car.

      a full set of keys (2 remotes, one flat key) are a 500$ bonus when i look at used VW/Audi

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      06-12-2012 11:57 AM #21
      I began reading the key settlement notice, I'm between classes so time limited, if I printed that out and brought it to the dealership do you think they would offer me any discount? Also I talked to the dealership again about bringing in a blank key and they said the only way is to order a new one. I'm an Automotive Aftermarket major at Northwood, so I understand the run around and malarkey that takes place at a dealership. Not a bad thing, I'll eventually be working in a service department somewhere.
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      06-12-2012 12:07 PM #22
      I've had to replace keys for mkiv's on 3 different occasions, sent you a pm about the best way I've found to do it.

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      06-12-2012 12:14 PM #23
      Are VWs like Fords, where you can program your own keys if you have at least 2? Or is the owner 100% dependant on the dealer?

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      06-12-2012 12:23 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by stormtroopered View Post
      I began reading the key settlement notice, I'm between classes so time limited, if I printed that out and brought it to the dealership do you think they would offer me any discount?
      They might give you negative 20% off.
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      06-12-2012 12:23 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Egz View Post
      Are VWs like Fords, where you can program your own keys if you have at least 2? Or is the owner 100% dependant on the dealer?
      It has to be done through VW's computers.
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      06-12-2012 12:25 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by stormtroopered View Post
      I'm between classes so time limited... I'm an Automotive Aftermarket major at Northwood... I'll eventually be working in a service department somewhere.
      Wut? You mean to tell me you need a college degree to work in a parts department these days? Aside from that shock, I find it hard to believe the same guys screwing up my order went to college and graduated.
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      06-12-2012 12:46 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by The Kilted Yaksman View Post
      My dealership has several signs up that clearly state they will not cut keys that are not bought from them.
      But will they match the immobilizer on a key that they didn't cut? As I previously posted, Sidewinder Key can cut a key for you and ship it to you. Then all you have to do is program the remote and get the immobilizer matched. They charge $35 to cut the key, and then you have to buy the key. But its all based on VIN. Good place to deal with IMO.

      VAG-TACHO can read the SKC on the key, which you can then enter into VAG-COM(VCDS) to match the immobilizer yourself.
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      06-12-2012 01:26 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by stormtroopered View Post
      I began reading the key settlement notice, I'm between classes so time limited, if I printed that out and brought it to the dealership do you think they would offer me any discount? Also I talked to the dealership again about bringing in a blank key and they said the only way is to order a new one. I'm an Automotive Aftermarket major at Northwood, so I understand the run around and malarkey that takes place at a dealership. Not a bad thing, I'll eventually be working in a service department somewhere.
      Yeah unfortunately they may just not be able to cut keys, I know we don't have a machine for that and have to order all of ours.

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      06-12-2012 01:33 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Rockerchick View Post
      But will they match the immobilizer on a key that they didn't cut?
      Key programming's done with the key in the ignition, and VAGCOM connected to the car. In that case, they'd need the car at the dealership anyhow, so why bother figuring out if they can match it, might as well just reprogram the keys.

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      06-12-2012 01:43 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by personman View Post
      I've had to replace keys for mkiv's on 3 different occasions, sent you a pm about the best way I've found to do it.


      Please share the wealth of knowledge, both of my MK4 key fobs are shot to hellll.

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      06-12-2012 02:25 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Morbidly Obese View Post
      Please share the wealth of knowledge, both of my MK4 key fobs are shot to hellll.
      Well, in your situation, if you have working fobs, it would probably be more cost effective to refurbish them yourself instead of replacing them. You can find new empty cases and switch the guts - the actual key blade, the remote circuit board, and the transponder for immobilizer - into a new case. No programming needed.

      For someone who has no keys, or if you want more remotes, you have a couple options. The easiest, and still fairly cheap way is to buy the top half of the key (the switchblade part) from the dealership, and find a used remote bottom on ebay. They can usually be found anywhere between $5 and $40 depending on condition. If the remote you buy is ugly, remember as long as the circuit board works, you can always refurb the rest of the key. MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT REMOTE - CHECK THE PART NUMBER!

      Programming the key requires two parts: adding the transponder to the immobilizer's list of recognized keys, and programming the remote.

      For the transponder, your options are:
      1) if you have a working transponder, remove it from the key and attach it in the steering column close enough to the ignition so it is always bypassed. Unfortunately this makes your car easier to steal.
      2) Take it to the dealer and pay. My dealership only charges half an hour of shop time, some will charge more.
      3) Figure out how to program it yourself. VCDS can do it if you have your SKC. You probably don't. There are two other programs out there that can read your cluster's SKC, and they can program keys. This is the part that gets a little shady, I don't really think I can say more here.

      For the remote, use one of the two methods listed here: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1216091

      If you're programming remotes using the manual method, remember all you have to have is one working transponder key, and another key that will turn the door lock, and you can program up to 4 remotes. This is useful if you've already bought the remotes but haven't had keys blanks cut or transponders coded yet.
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      06-12-2012 02:45 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Accidental L8 apex View Post
      Wut? You mean to tell me you need a college degree to work in a parts department these days? Aside from that shock, I find it hard to believe the same guys screwing up my order went to college and graduated.
      A college degree will open many financial doors for myself, most importantly interest free loans plus it makes the parents happy. Its more of a managerial degree, pretty unique school if you're in Michigan and would like the best business degree you can get in state. I think it'll look good on the resume for a MB dealership in Florida.
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      Anyways, I'm going to get this first one through the dealership, and mess around with a spare to see how difficult any of the other suggestions would be for something else to do, sounds like it could be a little more difficult then the monsoon sub install, not that it was difficult at all to anyone trying to flame me.
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      06-12-2012 03:50 PM #35
      You need to order the key VIN specific for the car. VAGCOM will not work you need the VAS scan tool with an online connection. A dealer will charge .5hr labor time to program keys. Only option here is to go bite the bullet at the dealer.
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