I wonder if this will cause tighter regulations for Diesel engines?

[hly]

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Hematolo...rCancers/33226

[DasCC]

Doubt it. Lots of things are carcinogenic. Ink toner etc.


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[Shomegrown]

Current regulations on new cars are already very tight. Basically we're at the point where gas engines emit more soot and smoke than diesels.

[DSG-TDI]

Lots of things are carcinogenic.

This. Sad, but true.

[someguy123]

We already have clean diesels with near-clean exhaust tips, how much tighter can it get?

[Djibril]

Lots of things are carcinogenic.

Yup. Live long enough and it's not so much a question of if you'll get cancer but when and what type.

[feels_road]

We already have clean diesels with near-clean exhaust tips, how much tighter can it get?

Not really required. Basically, this study looked at data from 20 to 60 years ago:

Luke Popovich, a spokesman for the National Mining Association, said the IARC decision has "little bearing" on current conditions. Popovich said the recent studies aren't relevant, because they looked at worker exposures from the 1950s until the 1990s, when older and dirtier equipment was in use.

"It therefore does not reflect the technology changes that have been made since then," he said.

Industry groups and clean-air advocates alike say recent improvements are dramatic. The Diesel Technology Forum and the National Resources Defense Council both estimate that diesel emissions, including dangerous particles, are reduced by 99% in newer engines.

[ValveCoverGasket]

hilariously misleading article with photo of modified truck spewing smoke in a manner that a current model vehicle would be completely unable to do.

emissions for diesels are already tighter...

[Shomegrown]

hilariously misleading article with photo of modified truck spewing smoke in a manner that a current model vehicle would be completely unable to do.

emissions for diesels are already tighter...

The box style graphs are always the most dramatic...

[hipster.]

Yup. Live long enough and it's not so much a question of if you'll get cancer but when and what type.

Nearly 1 in 6 men will be diagnosed with Prostate cancer. Make sure you get your back door checked as soon as soon as you're of age.

[gti_matt]

Misleading pic is misleading.

Sadly that article will continue to mislead the public into this mess and diesels will continue to get an underserved bad rep.

[Shomegrown]

Misleading pic is misleading.

Sadly that article will continue to mislead the public into this mess and diesels will continue to get an underserved bad rep.

And bro's who think rolling the coal is "cool" make me want to punch someone.

[ValveCoverGasket]

Sadly that article will continue to mislead the public into this mess and diesels will continue to get an underserved bad rep.

"but i thought all diesels were loud and smokey and bad for the environment?"

[daveschi]

hilariously misleading article with photo of modified truck spewing smoke in a manner that a current model vehicle would be completely unable to do.

emissions for diesels are already tighter...

Unable to do? Any diesel CAN produce that smoke with the tuning available on the aftermarket. Stock? you're right.

[mac dre]

And bro's who think rolling the coal is "cool" make me want to punch someone.

Seriously, that is the worst.

[ValveCoverGasket]

Stock? you're right.

which is the only thing relevant to this discussion.


i know im right

[FACTORYBOOST]

Doubt it. Lots of things are carcinogenic. Ink toner etc.

It would be easier to list the things you breathe in on a daily basis that aren't carcinogenic than to list the things that are. You could live in an environment free of pollutants and still develop cancer because it is a mutation in the DNA of a cell... It's not like a bar of cigarette tar in your lungs becomes cancer cells, it increases the probability that a lung tissue cell in close proximity to it will intake molecules of tar and cause the DNA to mutate and make a cancer cell.
Now I'm saying go stick your face in your buddy's Duramax tailpipe or anything... but I wouldn't worry about it just driving through traffic than I would the pesticides they put on your fruit

[Stereodude]

Current regulations on new cars are already very tight. Basically we're at the point where gas engines emit more soot and smoke than diesels.

And yet I almost never have to roll up my windows / turn on recirculation when driving behind gasoline powered vehicles but have to do so with way too many diesels.

[FACTORYBOOST]

And yet I almost never have to roll up my windows / turn on recirculation when driving behind gasoline powered vehicles but have to do so with way too many diesels.

But you are still breathing in as many harmful pollutants from said gas exhaust as you would from the diesel, the difference is you can see the diesel smoke.

[Stereodude]

But you are still breathing in as many harmful pollutants from said gas exhaust as you would from the diesel, the difference is you can see the diesel smoke.

I'm less concerned with the visible portion than the terrible smell.

If they could make a diesel smell like burning leaves I'd drive behind one indefinitely billowing cloud or not.

[cjmoy]

"but i thought all diesels were loud and smokey and bad for the environment?"

Seriously. I just had a co-worker almost say this verbatim when I showed up with my new 335d.

[ValveCoverGasket]

Seriously. I just had a co-worker almost say this verbatim when I showed up with my new 335d.

many people still feel that way...

my mom is the same way... she was shocked to find my MB was a diesel as shes used to late 70s and 80s rabbits and mercs which do fit/started the stereotype

[n0rdicalex.]

2013 regulations are even tighter than 2010 regulations, to the point that engines have almost zero emissions.

[maloosheck]

I wonder if this will cause tighter regulations for Diesel engines?

Just a sticker:

WARNING: The fumes of this product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer.

[cjmoy]

many people still feel that way...

my mom is the same way... she was shocked to find my MB was a diesel as shes used to late 70s and 80s rabbits and mercs which do fit/started the stereotype

It's funny that most people I know didn't even know that BMW makes a diesel, and some of them are supposed to be BMW fans.

One of my friends who I was talking to said, "Eww, aren't they slow and noisy?", when I told her I just bought a diesel.

[MCTB]

Doubt it. Lots of things are carcinogenic. Ink toner etc.


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Exactly. Find something that isnt possibly going to cause cancer. I think gasoline can too.

[dunhamjr]

WHO: Diesel Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer

no.
its always been an issue.

FYI.

gasoline exhaust will kill you in minutes, while diesel exhaust MIGHT give you cancer.... i know which one i would rather sit in a non-vented room and breath for an hour.

[ChrisR18T]

Smoking kills.

[Lwize]

Clean diesels in action!

[ValveCoverGasket]

Clean diesels in action!

[SVTDanny]

Misleading pic is misleading.

You're right..... that exhaust should be coming out of a 10" pipe straight up through the bed.

[Iroczgirl]

many people still feel that way...

my mom is the same way... she was shocked to find my MB was a diesel as shes used to late 70s and 80s rabbits and mercs which do fit/started the stereotype

And when properly tuned they don't even smoke...

Just think about all the lead that's being put in the air by old airplanes.

Or the lead that entered the atmosphere when they were dumping it on Chernobyl.

...and it's not like all the atomic bomb tests were good for the environment.

[Numbersix]

Current regulations on new cars are already very tight. Basically we're at the point where gas engines emit more soot and smoke than diesels.

This.

Park my GTI next to the TDI, and look at the exhaust tips. The TDI's are totally clean; the GTI's will be covered in soot.

Big issue is older heavy truck diesels, large ships that run on bunker oil, and in countries with a large number of older diesel vehicles without pollution controls.

[AnAgentOrange]

Misleading pic is misleading.

Sadly that article will continue to mislead the public into this mess and diesels will continue to get an underserved bad rep.

More misleading as this pic was taken on a drag strip: LACR in Palmdale. Used to race there all the time. It's been gone for a few years. There's a big quarry hole in the earth where it used to be.

[Lwize]

Big issue is older heavy truck diesels, large ships that run on bunker oil, and in countries with a large number of older diesel vehicles without pollution controls.

A big part of SoCal smog comes from our large ports -- between the ship, train and truck traffic moving cargo. The port is taking steps to clean up, though.