Same as Lincoln LS...
Due to the recent STS-V thread http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...V-the-N*-STS-V I've now got the sudden urge to buy something unique but relatively inexpensive and the S-Type R is high on my list...am I insane to consider this car or is this a possible "diamond in the rough" type situation???
400hp S/C V8
Maintenance?...I would only consider an '07-'08.
If you want to win, hire a Finn.
It's a great car. Period. there are a few gremlins that you will have to deal with if the previous owner didn't like a keyless entry that fails for absolutely no reason. Window motors that sometimes take the window off the track. Some of the tranny's will shift hard into second gear especially when you are driving at very light throttle and slow speeds. The only other negative that I can think of is that it does not have an LSD.
That being said, the rest of teh car is great. The leather is ultra high quality as is the carpets. They are super quiet with the exception of the blower whine which I think is awesome. They are deceptively roomy and extremely comfortable. Brakes are good as is the handling. Being an S/C motor they are easy to pull more power from and the MPG's are not all that bad considering the power.
Do not consider a pre 2003 model. 4.2L's and 2003 up only. The older models are a nightmare.
If you want to win, hire a Finn.
"She's workin' at the pyramid tonight..."
'08 BMW 335i Sedan
My favorite factory iteration is the deep blue with white interior.
Losing your marbles? "Not all who wander are lost." J.R.R. Tolkien. Relish to appease your taste, or ketchup on the buns logic embraced?
'86 Jaguar xj-s 5.3HE coupe, cobalt blue metallic/blue
'08 Hyundai Accent SE hatch, ice blue/gray
Bisixually disposed, lucas charged and coventry clothed
-Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog
I saw this in a movie about a bus that had to speed around the city, keeping its speed over fifty, and if its speed dropped, the bus would explode! I think it was called, "The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down."
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Originally Posted by .skully.
Every time I encounter one of these and fire it up I strongly consider seeking one out... they seem to hold up fairly well, the interiors (aside from the wonky radio/center console situation) is always well appointed. I like the goofy little parking brake caliper and the whine of the charger.
Gotta say time I've spent with these they seem rather cool, and solid.
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STOP PUTTING CORVETTE WHEELS ON VOLKSWAGENS
Here is a pretty good review on the S-type from the UK:
'Smaller' rear-drive Jaguar with design cues from 1960s Mk II.
Actually far from small at 15' 11" long by 6' wide and weighing from 1,628kg.
Began with choice of 240 bhp 3.0 Duratec V6 or 280 bhp 4.0 Jaguar V8 engines. Manual (V6 only) or Ford auto. 'CATS' option of adaptive damping and 17in wheels worth having. Prices started at £26,700 OTR. Good to drive, with immense charm, enough steering feel, decent handling and good ride quality. A success from day one. Six-cylinder manual model the recommended choice.
Steering, gearchange and engine management system all improved by early 2001.
S and T reg cars came a good 17th in 2001 Top Gear / JD Power Customer Satisfaction Survey, ahead of the Toyota Corolla.
From January 2002, six-speed automatic 4.2 supercharged S-Type R with huge 541Nm (399lb ft) at 3,500rpm; sixty mph comes up in just 5.3 seconds, top speed limited to 155mph. On the road price is £47,400, combined fuel consumption 22.5mpg and C02 output 314g/km which means a hefty company car BIK tax bill of £6,636 pa for a 40% taxpayer. At the other end of the scale, Jaguar also launched a more BIK friendly 201bhp 2.5 litre V6 engine which, with five-speed manual box pumps out 229g/km and with a retail price of £24,950 means a BIK bill of £2,794. S-Type 2.5 gets to sixty in 8.2 seconds, goes on to 142mph and stretches each gallon 29.6 miles in the combined cycle.
Other new offerings are a 2.5 V6 six-speed automatic, a 240bhp 3.0 V6 five-speed manual or six-speed automatic and a 300bhp unsupercharged 4.2V8 with 6-speed auto. On the road prices are £28,900, £29,950, £31,400 and £36,000 respectively.
3 year UNLIMITED MILEAGE warranty on all new Jags sold by UK Jag dealers from 24-1-2002.
207bhp Dagenham built 35mpg 2.7 litre V6 24v TDCi V6 diesel announced 6-6-2003, but not due for sale in UK intil summer 2004.
3.0V6 MANUAL and 4.2V8 6-speed auto RECOMMENDED.*2.5V6 6-speed auto not bad at all.
Average number of breakdowns, problems and faults and rated a 'Best Buy' in 2003 Which survey.
Comprehensive facelift for 2004 includes aluminium bonnet and wonderful retro cockpit reminiscent of original 1961 E-Type. 2.7 litre twin-turbo AJD V6 diesel from June 2004. 6 speed manual or 6 speed automatic. Has 153kW (206bhp) and 435Nm (320lb ft) torque, 80% between 1,500 and 4,000rpm. Does 0-60 in 8.1 seconds (auto 8.2), tops out at 140mph, offers 40mpg combined and 189g/km CO2. Insurance Group of diesel 14E. Revised S Type pricing from April 2004: From £25,770 for 2.5V6 (Sport or SE £29,770); From £27,670 for 2.7D (Sport or SE £31,670); 3.0V6 Sport or SE £32,270; 4.2V8 SE £37,170 (Sport £38,270); 400bhp S-Type R £49,995.
Which? used best buy £15,000 - £20,000 in 2004.
S-Type 2.5 Plus model from May 2005 at £25,995 has 6 speed automatic, leather, alloys and park distance control.
Very good looking estate version photographed in 2006.
Range change for 2007 simplified line-up to four trim levels, all offering improved value-for-money: the Spirit, XS, SE and ‘R’.
S-TYPE Spirit (2.7 diesel and 3.0 petrol) – 2007 entry models are 2.7 diesel and 3.0 petrol Spirit. Feature 8x6 way leather seats and automatic as standard in addition to the other changes. Spirit models also feature a £1,000 price reduction with diesel prices starting at under £30,000 and petrol prices below £29,000.
S-TYPE XS (2.7 diesel and 3.0 petrol) – XS model replaces S-TYPE Sport. 3.0 petrol XS based upon 3.0 Spirit and includes automatic transmission, SE steering wheel and reverse park control as standard. Additional standard features include 18-inch Mercury Alloy wheels, an Exterior Styling Pack of stylish front spoiler with fog lamps, perforated leather sports seats, sports interior theme, de-chromed bumpers and sports suspension. S-TYPE 3.0 XS will priced at £31,995. Specification also includes automatic transmission as standard. 2.7 diesel XS with identical specification is also offered, priced at £32,995.
S-TYPE SE (2.7 diesel and 3.0 petrol) improvements include addition of 18" Triton wheels, 10x8 leather seats and rain sensing wipers. Pricedat £33,495 (3.0 litre) and £34,495 (2.7 diesel) is £455 more than the prior model year.
S-TYPE R (4.2 litre supercharged V8) S-TYPE R has been repositioned. Offers increased value through the fitment of 19" Barcelona wheels as standard. On-the-road price reduced to £45,000 (£5,400 less.)
3 year UNLIMITED MILEAGE warranty from 2004.
No limited slip diff, so apt to rely on traction control instead. Outclassed in handling, roadholding and safety by W211 E Class Mercedes. Automatic 'J' change of older 5-speed autobox can be sloppy and apt to drop a gear unasked when you're halfway round a corner.
Early V6 manuals criticised for baulky gearchange and too revvy engine management system.
Second-hand prices originally higher than same age XJ8s.
Whining of Type R's Eaton supercharger sounds great to start with but can become wearing on the driver.
Jaguar had fifth highest warranty repair costs in 2003 Warranty Direct Reliability index (index 126.91 v/s lowest 31.93). Jaguar 2nd bottom of Reliability Index for 2004 combining high average cost of repair of £483.26 with high 42.16 failures per 100 Warranty Direct policies. Link:- www.reliabilityindex.co.uk www.warrantydirect.co.uk now refuses cover on supercharged Jaguar V8s.
Have been problems of misaligned propshafts, premature disc wear, porous heads on V6s and PAS pump failures.
Air-conditioning condensor matrix of 2.6 diesel is vulnerable to stone damage. Best to fit a home made grille to protect it.
Replaced by XF in 2007.
What to Watch Out For
Rare on S-Type problem of V8 blocks suffering Nickasil bore liner problems after 50,000 - 60,000 miles, losing compression and being replaced without question by Jaguar if under 100k miles, under 5 years old, with full Jaguar service history. Lumpy feeling V8 engine is a sign of the V8 engine problem. Definitely no problem from September 2000 build.
Timing chain tensioner problems on V8s. Listen for noisy timing chain.
Water leaks into boot compartment play havoc with electrics (because that's where the battery sits) as rear lamp seals and boot lid seal can fail. The seal needs to be cemented into place with waterproof silicone sealant. Boot lock solenoid also subject to failure due to moisture ingress.
Have been problems with Mondeo based electric window winding mechanisms. Typical failures on early cars include ignition coils, water leaks, seat motor, window motor, door lock and security alarm faults. Check all electrics as best you can before buying (particularly important with auction bought cars.)
Original 5-speed autoboxes prone to failure at around 60,000 miles.
Thread for insertion of rear towing eye is ANTI-CLOCKWISE. This isn't mentioned in the driver's handbook.
Bonnet safety catch can corrode from road salt and seize open, so does not restrain the bonnet if main catch fails. Make sure the safety catch is well greased and working properly. Needs re-checking at least once a month in the winter.
3 separate complaints of multiple problems with S-Type diesels received in 10 days, which is a lot compared with the total number of S-Type diesels out there. By late August 2007 Jaguar had 120 cars with this problem that it was unable to fix. Apparently working on a software solution.
On 2.7 diesel in winter engine pre-heater is close to ventilation system and apt to fill the cabin with fumes.
At least one 2.7 diesel has suffered big end failure at 4 years old and models miles, put down by the dealer as 'component failure', definitely not shortage of oil as the car had just been serviced.
2.7 diesel turbos run very hot and are prone to turbo oil seal failures. need to be idled after motorway runs in hot weather, after long ascents, or after towing. 2.7d engines used for short runs from cold starts will clog their particulate filters, leading the the excess fuel for regenerating them dribbling down the bores into the sump, contaminating sump oil and raising its level to a point where the engine may run on it.
Seems to have been a "bad" batch of turbos fitted to 2006 2.7 V6 turbodiesels. Though failure may simply be due to failure by owners to idle the turbos from red hot before switching off. They do get extremely hot, especially after a long ascent.
6-speed autoboxes have required software upgrades. Torque converter failures of 6-speed automatics (known as "gearbox squark") have become quite common. Problem of lurching of ZF autobox covered at www.thelurch.com plus numerous other Jaguar TSBs. This can be temporarily alleviated by using different automatic transmission fluid and an additive. Jaguar has replaced transmissions on 3 - 5 year old cars for as little as £770, calling it a "25% contribution", though the true customer cost of a new transmission would be more than £3,080.
Electronic parking brake (from 2002MY) has caused excessive rear disc and pad wear.
Alarm problem may be due to a faulty 'boot open' switch. Misplaced sealing ring allows damp to corrode the switch contacts. Cleaning the contacts solves the problem.
Like Mercedes and Renault, the automatic transmission fluid cooler is situated in the radiator where a fracture can put coolant into the transmission fluid and wreck the transmission.
Seems to be a problem with the 'electronic' (electric) parking brakes failing to disengage properly, leading to excess wear on the rear discs and rear disc life as short as 15,000 miles.
Batteries prone to discharging through fault boot light switch.
16-8-2011:*On 2.5 and 3.0 V6 petrol, a rumble from the front may mean that *the bottom crank pulley damper assembly 4659709 is starting to separate around the rubber insert *in the middle of the flat dinner plate sized wheel. Costs £83.23 + vat. Pulley Assy £25.47 +vat and the V-Belt £17.86+vat Total Labour £82.00. Separation is usuallly more marked on the inside than the side one can observe. If it fails completely then engine is written off.
23-12-2011:*Report of*engine oil pump casing that the timing belt tensioner is bolted to shearing off and timing belt coming off and trashing the engine of 2007 2.7 TDV6 with 60,000 miles.*(Ths was a Range Rover Sport, but same basic engine in S-Type 2.7 V6 diesel.)
4/10/2000: 2,109 S Types built 5/200 to 7/2000 recalled because part in front seatbelt buckles not to standard and may release the belt when subject to load. All buckle assemblies between production dates to be replaced. 23/11/2000: 18,062 S Types built 1/1999 to 9/2000 recalled because first thread of the ball stud in the front suspension lower ball joint could fracture leading to separation of the lower control arm from the knuckle leading to limited steering control. Ball joints to be checked and vertical links to be replaced if necessary. Defective timing chain tensioner apparently subject to a recall, but cannot give a date. April 2004: Recall because 6-speed automatic can slip into reverse at high speed due to computer software problem (per 'Auto Express' 21-4-2004). TSB (unknown date) Apparently Auto transmission fluid looses viscosity and the remedy is to replace the fluid and reset the adaptive sensors. That might overcome the torque converter problems outlined above.
TSB R-513 recall: On certain passenger vehicles equipped with automatic transmissions, with the forward gear selected and the vehicle stationary or in a forward motion, the gearbox could potentially select reverse gear, without indication.
Internal : With the vehicle stationary, and Drive (D) is selected, the transmission may select Reverse (R) if there is insufficient oil pressure in the transmission and/or a sticking valve within the transmission. If this condition is
present, the vehicle will default to Mechanical Limp Home mode and the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) will illuminate.
TSB S307-17. Drifting of program for adaptive learning. Now involves both engine AND gearbox reprogramming to address customer concern of harsh transmission shifts, particularly 3 - 2, 2 -1 roll out and 1-2 up-shifts The adaptive shift strategy drifting over time causing higher than normal clutch pressures. To eliminate the issues outlined in the summary the transmission adaptions must be cleared and the Transmission Control Module (TCM) and the Engine Control Module (ECM) should be re-configured using the Worldwide Diagnostic System (WDS) with software release JTP 759/35 or later. Should a customer express concern, follow the Service Instruction outlined below.
TSB S307-15 This Technical Bulletin has been issued to address customer concerns of a squeal or squeak noise heard during gearshifts under acceleration.
TSB S307-14 This Technical Bulletin has been issued to address a customer concern of a surge in excess of 150rpm during engine warm up, at a temperature of 30°C to 50°C and at a vehicle speed in the region of 40mph (64.3kph) to 60mph (96.5kph).
One TSB since 2006 on the 2.7 V6 twin-turbo diesel to replace the turbos.
Official Recall 23/04/2007 (some owners not notified until June 2007)R/2007/045JAGUARS-Type 2.7 V6 Diesel and XJ 2.7 V6 diesel particulate filter excessive heatVINs SAJAC031167N32679to SAJAA011387N82818Build dates 01/09/2004 to 31/03/2007 to solve a problem with the diesel particulate filter that could cause a danger of fire after a slow journey.
The problem for me with this car is that it could/would be fun for a few days..then I would be stuck with a big old jag from an impulsive buy. I have driven The R type before (we had one at the dealership I worked for) and it was a nice car... Just not my cup of tea.
What line of work are you in? It may be fitting for you, unless you are an iron worker or something like that