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    Thread: Do struts age becuase of wear, or time, or both?

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      06-16-2012 11:01 AM #1


      I have a vague idea of how they work. It's probably not going to get any better.

      Basically, I'm in year 11 of the S2000 experience, going on 75k miles. I've replaced the clutch master cylinder, which then blew out the slave cylinder, and both of those just got old and the seals croaked. I'm also still on the original clutch and brake pads. Those wear out from ****ty driving and if you don't drive like a dick they should last a while. Some things get just get old and die and others live forever if you don't abuse them.

      So anyway the suspension has developed a tendency to sort of unload itself in some corners. It's sort of unsettling. I've auto-x'ed enough to know the limits of the tires and how to avoid the rear end drama that will occasionally try to murder you if you're not paying attention. I checked the tire pressure and it's spot on, I'm using OEM S-02s and I'm not near the edge of tire grip, again because I've auto'xed and found myself staring at the place where I just came from several times.

      The whole car is bone stock, so I haven't monkeyed it up with crap aftermarket parts. If anyone has personal experience I'd appreciate it.
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      06-16-2012 11:05 AM #2
      I could see dampers wearing out at 75k on a car like that. Not a big deal IMO
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      06-16-2012 11:13 AM #3
      Wear more than time but both are a factor.

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      06-16-2012 11:16 AM #4
      The life expectancy of shock absorbers is between 50,000 and 80,000 miles, typically.

      At 75,000 miles, yours are probably (over)due for replacement.

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      06-16-2012 11:29 AM #5
      I guess I'll take it to my Honda guy. He has an '01 S2000 as well and knows them inside and out. Lols when I walk in the dealer the service writers just page him because they know they'll never be able to answer my questions.

      Maybe he can put it on the rack and check out all of the bushings and other crap. I just had him go through the top end of the engine. I am in a long-term relationship with this car so I guess we'll do what we have to do!
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      06-16-2012 12:08 PM #6
      Both.

      Good opportunity to get some better suspension or coils, though. Progress makes a good set. Or go with good ol' Koni Yellows

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      06-16-2012 01:32 PM #7
      I have bilstien with 110 thou on them. And they don't seem
      worn out in the least.

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      06-16-2012 02:39 PM #8
      If this is any help:

      Years ago my sister had a 1999 Pontiac Grand Am GT. Dad put new Monroe Quick-Struts in the front of it for her and then she parked it a few months later and moved out west. She abandoned the car for two and a half years.

      I put the car back on the road and the struts were blown from sitting outside through a couple winters.

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      06-16-2012 02:48 PM #9
      There are a lot of factors which lead to shock and strut wear. This can explain it a lot easier and quicker than I can:



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      06-16-2012 03:01 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post
      Both.

      Good opportunity to get some better suspension or coils, though. Progress makes a good set. Or go with good ol' Koni Yellows
      Yeah I don't want to change the ride height or anything. Honestly the car is faster than I am so I don't feel the need to try to change anything or make it better.

      Never owned a car this long before. Guess we have some stuffs to do.
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      06-16-2012 03:05 PM #11
      I think Koni's come with a lifetime warranty but don't know exactly what is covered.

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      06-16-2012 05:37 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by rice is burning View Post
      Yeah I don't want to change the ride height or anything. Honestly the car is faster than I am so I don't feel the need to try to change anything or make it better.
      Just buy a nice set of aftermarket dampers. Koni Yellows are a good choice and you'll have the added benefit of being able to adjust rebound stiffness. You can take them from feeling softer than stock to significantly stiffer than stock very easily. Ride height won't change at all.


      Quote Originally Posted by dmorrow View Post
      I think Koni's come with a lifetime warranty but don't know exactly what is covered.
      Koni dampers have a lifetime warranty. If you are the original purchaser and you have the receipt you can send them in to be rebuilt/replaced if anything ever happens to them. It takes a long time (4+ weeks) but it's worth it.

      Source: I just (two hours ago) finished installing my brand new Koni coilovers that were replaced under warranty. I bought them ~6 years ago and one of the rears began leaking last year. I pulled all of them, sent them in to Koni and they examined them and approved my warranty request. Instead of rebuilding the dampers they sent me a brand new coilover kit (they got here yesterday). To give you an idea of how long the warranty process can take, I sent them out near the beginning of May. Can't complain though

      I know you don't really have a desire to modify your car but the Konis are worth it for the lifetime warranty alone (not to mention they are just better than stock).

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      06-16-2012 05:46 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Petercar redo View Post
      I have bilstien with 110 thou on them. And they don't seem worn out in the least.
      Maybe not, but I bet you'd notice it if you had new shocks installed.
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      06-16-2012 06:15 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by EnIgMa '06 View Post

      I know you don't really have a desire to modify your car but the Konis are worth it for the lifetime warranty alone (not to mention they are just better than stock).
      I think you're completely right on this one. I generally don't own cars this long but no one has made anything better so I really haven't had to deal with this situation before. I can only imagine what Honda charges for new struts, and it's not like they hand-made them to begin with.

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      06-16-2012 07:17 PM #15
      I can't believe I've never been told to replace shocks/struts on any of the higher mileage cars I've had. I am sure at least my old Celica GT needed new shocks and struts cause it handle like crap at around 175k miles and ate through tires really quick. Took it to a Toyota specialist all the time and he never once recommended switching them out through lots of other repairs like CV joints, new clutch, brake resurface, new radiator, tires, ignition coil, broken timing belt....

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      06-17-2012 12:14 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by RobMarkToo View Post
      I can't believe I've never been told to replace shocks/struts on any of the higher mileage cars I've had. I am sure at least my old Celica GT needed new shocks and struts cause it handle like crap at around 175k miles and ate through tires really quick. Took it to a Toyota specialist all the time and he never once recommended switching them out through lots of other repairs like CV joints, new clutch, brake resurface, new radiator, tires, ignition coil, broken timing belt....
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      06-17-2012 12:24 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by rice is burning View Post
      I've auto-x'ed enough to know the limits of the tires and how to avoid the rear end drama that will occasionally try to murder you if you're not paying attention. I checked the tire pressure and it's spot on, I'm using OEM S-02s and I'm not near the edge of tire grip, again.....

      ....I've auto'xed and found myself staring at the place where I just came from several times.

      The whole car is bone stock, so I haven't monkeyed it up with crap aftermarket parts. If anyone has personal experience I'd appreciate it.
      Think I found the reason.

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      06-17-2012 12:30 AM #18
      Apparently there is no consistent answer. My VW, bought new, made in PA has the original front and rear struts/shocks and drives ok with no tire wear problem at 296K miles. We also have other brands 08 and 09. My VW drives the best of the three.

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      06-17-2012 12:39 AM #19
      OP, if I was going to pay dealership prices, I would order a set of Bilstein PSS9s and have the dealership install them. I have heard lots of good things about them on the S2000, and the price for the entire setup is probably comparable to what you would pay the dealership to install new dampers with your existing springs. I replaced the OEM suspension on my S recently at 121,000mi after noticing a rattling when going over bumps with the suspension unloaded. One of my front dampers had gone. I actually replaced it with another stock set; a friend put coilovers on his '08 AP2 at 22,000mi and gave me his old suspension with 1" lower sport springs for a price I couldn't refuse. If I didn't have that connection, I would have gone with the PSS9s, and I still may if I decide to move forward to a fully adjustable setup.

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