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    Thread: Finally rebuilding hte block. 50 trim content... stock block for the past 40k miles

    1. 06-18-2012 10:02 AM #1
      Alright ladies and gentlemen, Now that I have finally came accross the funds for all the parts I decided to take my first plunge into rebuilding my block. The motor has 134k on it which 40k+ of it were running on the CTS BT kit and the previous 50k miles being chipped. 19mm rods were ordered from IE as well as all the rings bearing gasket kit and their manual timing belt tensioner. First off ordering evering thing from IE went as good as it could have been. Cassidy made sure to get all my misc. random requests in and still get it all shipped out fast as hell. Parts should be here tomorrow I am hoping. I have started tearing everything else while waiting tho. Most of the rebuild will also give me time to clean up most of my bay, track down and oil leak and small vaccum leaks and get it all back to one piece.

      Started yesterday by pulling the intake mini, valve cover, turbo and oil lines. For the most part valves and top end seem to be looking fairly good, alot better than I was expecting. Intake mani was coated on the inside however with a nice slime that shouldnt be a big issue. I was able to find my oil leak and I am amazed and very thankful that there wasn't a bigger problem, lilke a fire from it. You guys will see in the pictures, the old oil line from being so close to the Downpipe had melted a hole through it. I also notice when I went to pull the turbo out that where the line was connected to the turbo was all heat rotted away wo when I gave it a good yank it just pulled apart. A braided stainless steel line will be going in as its replacement and hopefully will not have this issue again.

      On to the pictures. More to come. I should finish the tear down this Thursday and then bolt everyything back together and break in on Sunday. Thurs and Sun are my two days off a week, so keep checking back.








      Last edited by weenerdog3443; 06-18-2012 at 10:25 AM.

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      06-18-2012 11:43 AM #2
      Good stuff. 40k on a BT stock block
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      06-18-2012 11:46 AM #3
      Good call on the stainless oil lines I can't believe the Kinetic kit used to come with silicone for them. You doing the timing belt/tensioner etc. too? Make sure to mark everything timing related as they come off. Makes it much easier upon reassembly to just line marks up on the belt rather than line up all of the factory TDC marks.
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    4. 06-18-2012 12:09 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by TooLFan46n2 View Post
      Good stuff. 40k on a BT stock block
      It has def seen better days and it wasn't pushed lightly. 18psi daily, I also have about 5 snapped off studs that hold the turbo mani to the head so she is going to get some TLC.

      Quote Originally Posted by EURidahO View Post
      Good call on the stainless oil lines I can't believe the Kinetic kit used to come with silicone for them. You doing the timing belt/tensioner etc. too? Make sure to mark everything timing related as they come off. Makes it much easier upon reassembly to just line marks up on the belt rather than line up all of the factory TDC marks.
      Yea way back in the day they did. Its something that I had wanted to do for some time but just kept putting it off until now when I have it all apart, timing couldn't have been any better or sooner. as for the timing belt and tensioner yea it is all getting done with the manual tensioner kit from IE, I don't mind ling it all up, which probably would be doing anyhow.

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      06-18-2012 12:20 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by weenerdog3443 View Post
      Yea way back in the day they did. Its something that I had wanted to do for some time but just kept putting it off until now when I have it all apart,
      Yeah, I've got one of the older kits too. After about 20k miles or so I pulled the heat shielding off of the drain line and it had cooked into something with more of a PVC hardness
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    6. 06-18-2012 01:43 PM #6
      Also does anyone know the size of the studs or where to get them to replace the ones that hold the turbo to manifold and also the downpipe to turbo? they need replacing and I cant remember the sizing for them

    7. 06-19-2012 12:51 PM #7
      Always an exciting day when I come into work to find a box on my desk all wrapped up in integrated tape

      Last edited by weenerdog3443; 06-19-2012 at 01:10 PM.

    8. 06-19-2012 02:20 PM #8
      You'll have so much fun once you crank it to 25psi!
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      06-19-2012 02:25 PM #9
      wish i knew you were doing this i could have saved you some mulla... im a CTS Dealer...let me know if you need anything else bud

    10. 06-19-2012 02:30 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by a4e3y5 View Post
      You'll have so much fun once you crank it to 25psi!
      This I cannot wait for.

      Quote Originally Posted by Vdubed13 View Post
      wish i knew you were doing this i could have saved you some mulla... im a CTS Dealer...let me know if you need anything else bud
      The only other thing that I need is the fuel pump. after everything this week I have exhausted all my funds for a couple more weeks tho. You still have the same number mines changed?

    11. 06-21-2012 05:45 PM #11
      Time for more pictures. Got a lot done today, pulled the head oil pan rods, honed the cylinders, pieced together the new rods n pistons. Removed almost all the exhaust mani studs. Pistons didn't look bad at all eexcept where you could see where they kissed the valves, no surprise there. Lemme know what you guys think or see anything out of ordinary.











    12. 06-22-2012 01:34 PM #12
      one morfe pic for you guys. all the pistons got a little cleaning. all four of them had the lil kiss marks from the exhaust valves, my guess its from when my timing belt tensioner blew last year. no damage to the head, or bottom end, from what I could tell the stock rods looked straight but no pictures of them yet.


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      06-22-2012 01:47 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by TooLFan46n2 View Post
      Good stuff. 40k on a BT stock block
      this. i have almost 50k on mine. 22-23 psi daily i went BT @ 130k miles

      Quote Originally Posted by EURidahO View Post
      Good call on the stainless oil lines I can't believe the Kinetic kit used to come with silicone for them. You doing the timing belt/tensioner etc. too? Make sure to mark everything timing related as they come off. Makes it much easier upon reassembly to just line marks up on the belt rather than line up all of the factory TDC marks.
      my line dint take long to go either. i still dont have a stainless linem but i have taken other measures to keep the heat out/off it

      OP, when i pulled my intake mani recently my intake valves were clean like urs. big boost keeps those intake valves clean
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      06-22-2012 02:12 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by weenerdog3443 View Post
      Also does anyone know the size of the studs or where to get them to replace the ones that hold the turbo to manifold and also the downpipe to turbo? they need replacing and I cant remember the sizing for them
      ECS like $0.60/ea for mani studs (8x30)
      and like $15 for new downpipe hardware - studs(10x35), spacers, nuts and gasket
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    15. 06-22-2012 06:28 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Big_Tom View Post
      this. i have almost 50k on mine. 22-23 psi daily i went BT @ 130k miles



      my line dint take long to go either. i still dont have a stainless linem but i have taken other measures to keep the heat out/off it

      OP, when i pulled my intake mani recently my intake valves were clean like urs. big boost keeps those intake valves clean
      My first hoses went in months, this one I got from a supply store that specialized in doses and fittings and was way over rated for its use, prob why it lasted so long. As for the boost, yup that only premium gas, I've been having studdering problems but I am thinking that night have had to do with so many of the exhaust studs being blown and that gasket being in 13 pieces.

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    16. 06-22-2012 10:52 PM #16
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    17. 06-22-2012 11:28 PM #17
      Be sure and beat the balls off it during break-in.
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      06-23-2012 07:25 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by screwball View Post
      Be sure and beat the balls off it during break-in.
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    19. 06-23-2012 08:24 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by screwball View Post
      Be sure and beat the balls off it during break-in.
      Quote Originally Posted by Big_Tom View Post
      That will def be happening. Giving rides too..


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    20. 06-23-2012 07:37 PM #20
      Well got the hardware for the manifold to head, had ordered the new turbo to mani studs and the ones for the downpipe to hot side of the turbo, which were to have arrived today the latest and they are not Herr. Does any one know the sizes of them I can source those easy in the morning.

      On a better not the stainless hose for the oil drain line showed up which means minus the studs it will be getting put back together.

    21. 06-24-2012 12:46 PM #21
      On my cts kit, with the gt3076 the hotside to o2pipe studs were the same as the stock ones (a tad longer) which i picked up at the dealership-idk if that goes for the 50 trim as well. As for the turbo to mani, you could try sourcing studs+nuts, or bolts from lowes/home depot-but be aware depending on what material they're made of they may not hold well because of the different expansion rates.

    22. 06-24-2012 12:59 PM #22
      Got an ACE Hardware nearby? They usually have studs/locknuts on hand.
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      06-24-2012 04:45 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by screwball View Post
      Got an ACE Hardware nearby? They usually have studs/locknuts on hand.
      this is where i shop for my fasteners
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    24. 06-24-2012 09:28 PM #24
      wish it was running today, would have minus one freakign bolt. pissd me off good. got alot done tho rods are in that went smooth as butter, got the head all together minus one bolt that was busted I couldnt get removed. jusgt about got the one bolt drilled out and I was too tired for the night to do everything.

      when I return to her everythign should be easy just slide the head in and the manual timing belt.







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      06-25-2012 07:21 AM #25
      ^^^^ Nice Work!
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    26. 06-26-2012 11:19 PM #26
      Well again alot done today. head bolted ontiming done and started to fire up tonight. still had to put the hood on and intake tube.

      When I first went to start her up I primed it, let the fuel pump do its thing, nd it took it a couple cranks before it started. when It finally first did fire up it sounded like the valves were hitting or something, I was sure i got the timing right hand canked it to be sure i didnt feel any resistance or hitting. I let it run for a couple seconds didnt change and shut it down. Fired it up a second time and started to sound normal but something still didnt sound right. was just too tired to mess with it anymore. till thurs

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      06-27-2012 12:02 AM #27
      sometimes the lifters need some time to pump up if the head has been off the car for awhile. Could be the cause of the noise at startup

    28. 06-27-2012 09:33 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by formerly silveratljetta View Post
      sometimes the lifters need some time to pump up if the head has been off the car for awhile. Could be the cause of the noise at startup
      good deal. when I go down there tomorrow I will let her run a lil more and see if it does the same...heads been off for over a week so could be it

    29. 06-28-2012 01:42 PM #29
      SHE LIVES!!!! still seems to be breaking a little at high boost and high RPM's going to try to take some logs

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      06-28-2012 06:30 PM #30
      If its breaking up at high boost make sure you are maintaining fuel pressure

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      06-28-2012 11:05 PM #31
      looks good nick! I'll be rebuilding my turbo here shortly and changing up the return line. Let me know if you need a hand on the weekends homie.
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    32. 07-10-2012 09:16 AM #32
      Well she is getting better. just been fine tuning everything. Found out that I had a nasty flex pipe blow out. I have had the flex pipe on the car for years, It was one of the first couple when 42 Draft Designs first came out with there's. I later added the 42DD cat back to match it which is still in top shape. I called up 42 and spoke with John there. After some emails and talking about a week and a half later this beauty showed up on my desk yesterday morning. Big Thank you to John and the guys over there hat 42 Draft Designs.


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      07-10-2012 09:30 AM #33
      Looking good

    34. 07-10-2012 12:29 PM #34
      Glad to hear is coming along. John and 42 draft definitively rock...top notch products and service. Now, keep beating the crap out of the car he he he
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    35. 07-11-2012 10:53 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Sales@R.A.I. Motorsport View Post
      Looking good
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      Glad to hear is coming along. John and 42 draft definitively rock...top notch products and service. Now, keep beating the crap out of the car he he he
      Thanks fellas, Got the downpipe on yesterday. Let me tell you what a difference it is. It is so weird driving around and being able to hear yourself talk and think. The GF doesnt mind riding in it now, besides my driving.

      and yes she will continue to get the crap beat out of here. I have only put 400 miles on since the rod install. Guess thats what I get for living only 2 miles from work, I run her up on the highway most days before coming in.

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