CLS63 AMG Shooting Brake or E63 AMG Estate

[EKaru]

[GTE77]

Where is the shooting brake?

[VadGTI]

Boxy brute over feminine wagon any day.

[2.0T_Convert]

I would bang that CLS63 up the tailpipe. Each one of them.

[[spoon]]

E63 tho in either case I hate the tail pipes.

[bzcat]

The CLS wagon doesn't look like it will hold very much in the back. Kind of defeats the purpose I think.

[Fritz27]

Other: used Ferrari FF

[choochoo]

Whoa, looks like they took an R-class and squished it.

[TangoRed]

E63. I like the boxy looks in both sedan and wagon form.

[mikegilbert]

Where is the shooting brake?

This.

[MidnightSpecial]

Where is the shooting brake?

This.

[leakslikasieve]

e63, but the cls63 is sexy too.

[Oliver@triplezoom]

Other: used Ferrari FF

Only 3x the price.

[DCubed]

E63 Wagon...no question.

[mookieblaylock]

holly @#$% are those ugly
this is way better but in mercs infinite wisdom no sell here. 350hp awd and 3300lbs

[[spoon]]

Audi needs to step up and send the S/RS4 Avant here. The E63 needs some competition.

[DCubed]

holly @#$% are those ugly
this is way better but in mercs infinite wisdom no sell here. 350hp awd and 3300lbs

Right now thats not for sale anywhere. More than likely will see US shores once the A/B come here in 2013.

[EKaru]

Audi needs to step up and send the S/RS4 Avant here. The E63 needs some competition.

Competition? Here are the US production/sales #s for the AMG wagons. There's just no market for them here in the US

E 55 AMG Wagon

2005 129
2006 64

E 63 AMG Wagon

2007 67
2008 62

[Fritz27]

I'm stunned the market for 500hp station wagons is so small.

[EKaru]

I'm stunned the market for 500hp station wagons is so small.

lol... Well it's much larger in Europe

[Fritz27]

lol... Well it's much larger in Europe

Yeah, but you're posting American sales figures so I'm riffing on American tastes.

Also, rich dudes that can afford anything like these in Europe can afford multiple cars anyway. They're attention whores just like American wagon guys.

[VadGTI]

lol... Well it's much larger in Europe

Being that 1) Gas is much more expensive and 2) the price of the car as well as taxes on the purchase make the purchase price much higher than it is in the US, I wonder if your statement is true.

[EKaru]

ebay FOTD: 2005 E55 Wagon with 43K miles
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-...item564aeaac3b

oThe 0-to-60-mph acceleration of a Porsche 911 Carrera S.
oThe quarter-mile time of a Ferrari 612 Scaglietti.
oThe 0-to-150-mph time of a Chevrolet Corvette Z51 (a second quicker is okay, too).
oThe cargo capacity of a luxury SUV-the Porsche Cayenne Turbo, only bigger.
oExclusivity of an exotic-maybe there are only a couple hundred guys with your car in the whole country.
oAnd while we're at it, how about the passenger capacity of a minivan-the more the merrier, right

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test

[SebTheDJ]

CLS

[Boosted03GTI]

E 55 AMG Wagon

2005 129
2006 64

E 63 AMG Wagon

2007 67
2008 62

The automotive landscape has changed quite a bit from 05-08 to now. Also, most cars that are bought are what is supplied to the dealer by the company. In all honesty I don't even remember those cars being available in the U.S., and I consider my self much more informed than the average consumer. Plus I <3 wagons. Maybe they should do a better job of promoting these models. The MB wagon that I remember most vividly was that hideous R class. It didn't sell well and I can only assume it was because most people don't want to shell out $60k for minivan styling without the added room, and none of the capability of an SUV with most of the drawbacks(weight, mpg, etc..)

As far as the CLS wagon, it seems over styled to me. The simplicity and functionality of the E63 definitely wins out. Do want!

[PsyberVW]

Competition? Here are the US production/sales #s for the AMG wagons. There's just no market for them here in the US

Chicken / Egg.

How many are sitting on lots right now, not being sold?

How many are for sale on Autotrader / Manheim?

A "no market" car would be flooding the used car lots because people would have bought them seriously discounted, then ditched them.

These cars are instead sold at premiums and nearly held on to until death...

[Nubbin]

E63 wagon.

[2.0T_Convert]

How many are for sale on Autotrader / Manhein?

Per cars.com 20 E63 AMG models sit on dealers lots. That would be 1/3 the total annual sales right there.

[PsyberVW]

The automotive landscape has changed quite a bit from 05-08 to now. Also, most cars that are bought are what is supplied to the dealer by the company. In all honesty I don't even remember those cars being available in the U.S., and I consider my self much more informed than the average consumer. Plus I <3 wagons. Maybe they should do a better job of promoting these models. The MB wagon that I remember most vividly was that hideous R class. It didn't sell well and I can only assume it was because most people don't want to shell out $60k for minivan styling without the added room, and none of the capability of an SUV with most of the drawbacks(weight, mpg, etc..)

As far as the CLS wagon, it seems over styled to me. The simplicity and functionality of the E63 definitely wins out. Do want!

I really, really wanted to like the R class. It was everything - on paper - that a wagon/suv should be. The problem was in the execution - it was the worst of both worlds instead of the best. One of the biggest dissapointments are the rear seats. They barely recline, aren't as comfortable as the front seats. The raked windshield makes it difficult for a driver over 5'4 to get in/out. All around quality / materials were not fitting of a >$50k vehicle - let alone $76k. I could go on - but I don't want to because this isn't about bashing the vehicle -- it's about bashing the idea of half-assing anything.

Half-assed engineering, half-assed marketing - astronomical pricing - what did you expect?

When it came time to put my money where my mouth is, I chose the ML. It didn't have the pretense of the R class and felt more appropriate to the price (at the time).
I didn't neccessarily want the ML initially - but after trying to make the R class fit, the ML just wound up the better fit for my family.

[PsyberVW]

Per cars.com 20 E63 AMG models sit on dealers lots. That would be 1/3 the total annual sales right there.

eh - I was thinking E-Class Wagons, not specifically AMG wagons. My bad --

But I wonder where they are sitting? I've been to 5 large MB dealers in SoCal over the past 24 hours and all the AMG E63s I've seen are sedans. I haven't seen a single wagon.

[2.0T_Convert]

eh - I was thinking E-Class Wagons, not specifically AMG wagons. My bad --

But I wonder where they are sitting? I've been to 5 large MB dealers in SoCal over the past 24 hours and all the AMG E63s I've seen are sedans. I haven't seen a single wagon.

Expanding outwards and going off short term memory since I closed the page I think it was 92 or 93 E-class wagons across the US listed on cars.com.

I think a slightly unfair chunk of those are here in the northeast. I see a Benz wagon of some vintage on daily basis up here

[EKaru]

Chicken / Egg.

How many are sitting on lots right now, not being sold?

How many are for sale on Autotrader / Manheim?

A "no market" car would be flooding the used car lots because people would have bought them seriously discounted, then ditched them.

These cars are instead sold at premiums and nearly held on to until death...

During the time those models were in production, anyone could have ordered one and increased the US sales #s, but most people shopping for performance utility vehicles would rather get Cayenne Turbos, X5Ms, Range Rover supercharged models, ML AMGs etc before an AMG station wagon.

[FNG21222]

The ml amg is a blast to drive.

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[[spoon]]

Expanding outwards and going off short term memory since I closed the page I think it was 92 or 93 E-class wagons across the US listed on cars.com.

I think a slightly unfair chunk of those are here in the northeast. I see a Benz wagon of some vintage on daily basis up here

I'm guessing most of the E63 wagons would be orders - which is how Audi should do a non-2.0T Avant.

[warren_s]

So they're basically the same car, same engines, same interior, not much difference in weight, but the CLS has a more sloped roof, a better front fascia, and a name which pisses off enthusiasts. I'd imagine the overall cargo space isn't significantly different, and it's not like most people with an E-class AMG are stuffing the trunk to the gills.

I'd pick the CLS.