No manual transmission, no care!
http://www.insideline.com/bmw/m5/bmw...r-next-m5.htmlMALAGA, Spain — Stick shift-loving M owners should prepare for bad news, because BMW will only engineer the next M5 or M6 with double-clutch transmissions.
M's head of engineering, Albert Biermann, admitted this week that there were no plans to fit three pedals in the next-generation M6 and M5 because the order rate was too low to justify the added work.
"Last year, maybe 15-20 percent of our M5s in the U.S. were manuals and maybe this year it will be 15 percent. It's declining," Biermann warned.
"The trouble is that nobody wants it in Europe or anywhere else, so this will be the last time we do it, even for the hard-core U.S. buyers."
The M5's six-speed manual transmission has been heavily reworked from its 5 Series origins and sells alongside the seven-speed double-clutch unit as a no-cost option in the U.S. The gearbox will also be a no-cost option on the upcoming M6 Coupe and Convertible. BMW does not offer it for sale on any other continent.
"We just can't justify it anymore. It's a no-cost option, but it's been very difficult to do.
"Theoretically the stick is cheaper, but it's very low volumes and we have to strengthen everything in the gearbox and find space for the shifter and another pedal, so it doesn't work out cheaper."
It's not all bad news, though, with Biermann promising that at least one hard-core M tradition will remain into the foreseeable future.
"The M3 needs to have a stick shift. It will always have a stick shift," he insisted.
"Of course that's just my opinion; I could be wrong."
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This doesn't upset me at all, even though I was upset when BMW first said the E60 would be SMG only. M-DCT has gotten so good, and isn't clunky around town like SMGIII was, so it's fine. At that performance level, who cares.
Although, saying the M3 will always have a stick is like saying "We didn't call the 850CSi an M8 because it's too heavy; M-Cars need to be light" or the funny "We'll never go with forced induction on an M car."
Things change. Life goes on, and I'm usually one to whine at BMW for changing their core principals.
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Today BMW stops offering Manual on its M5.
On the bright side, they aren't offering the SMG on the m5 either and that gear box was ultimate failure.
Last edited by x1000rpms; 06-20-2012 at 07:52 PM.
You'd be surprised/disgusted at how many M-cars are bought simply because they're the most expensive or "fanciest" version of whatever -series BMW.It just goes to show that the only folks that can really afford TRUE sports sedans anymore are "posers".
Or, maybe not.
I remember when the E9X M3 came out they said they were done with the M-DCT and would instead focus on traditional automatics. The people that run M are full of feces.
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Last edited by 6cylVWguy; 06-21-2012 at 09:20 AM.
as long as they keep adding different sized SUVs and make M varients out of everything in their lineup, thats cool.
With the Audi S4 and S5 for Europe not getting a manual, and many high end performance cars, I can see this as being a trend that will quickly move to other models. They build what they want to sell and people either buy it or don't. If enough don't care for the manual then I can see why they don't either. Fewer options, especially complex, expensive ones, makes the overall manufacturing, stocking program much simpler.
I drive a DSG for my daily and a manual for my fun car. If a dual clutch is available I don't see myself buying a manual for my daily in the future. I enjoy the manual on the right roads but for traffic light to traffic light driving or in heavy traffic I will pass.
BMW M division say yes to auto, SUV, AWD but no for manual.... I am looking forward they will say yes for FWD in the near future.
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I don't get this statement:
They could find the space in an M3 for a manual gearbox, shifter, and clutch pedal, but they can't for the M5? Does not compute.Theoretically the stick is cheaper, but it's very low volumes and we have to strengthen everything in the gearbox and find space for the shifter and another pedal, so it doesn't work out cheaper.
Wouldn't the gearbox have to be similarly strong whether in a manual or automatic?
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8,800 total US e60 m5 sales * .15 = 1320 manuals approx.
Maybe it's not worth their trouble to keep those 1320 people satisfied? I wonder what % Panameras are manuals?
"I’ve just driven the impressive Porsche Panamera Turbo S, and had the chance to speak with a few sources about future plans for Porsche’s big, four-door sedan. It will remain on a rear-wheel-drive platform; a derivative off Audi’s modular-longitudinal front-wheel-drive platform is out of the question. A more likely scenario will see a big Audi moving onto the next Panamera platform, which will also be used for future Bentley models, and could provide the basis for a four-door Lamborghini in the spirit of the Estoque concept car.
The next Panamera likely will lose the manual transmission currently offered on the naturally aspirated, rear-wheel-drive V-6 and V-8 models. While the U.S. is a “classic manual-gearbox market,” the take rate for the manual Panamera has been low—probably too low to justify a successor. The next Panamera will also receive electric power steering—for efficiency reasons."
Last edited by chiphead; 06-21-2012 at 11:19 AM.