11.3 calipers and carries wont fit on 2.0l?

[MkIII2ohslow]

alright im doin a 5 lug conversion on my mk3 gls and i recently bought some 11.3 inch calipers and carriers, rotors, pads, hardware, wheel bearings, brake hoses and vr6 hubs all for the front. now my rotors came in today and the calipers/carriers wont fit over the rotor to bolt onto the spindle?? like the carrier fits over the rotor but it wont reach to the backside of the spindle to bolt where its supposed to. like wtf am i missing something here??? i was under the impression everything i listed above was all i needed to be able to fit my new fat fives . along with the mk4 calipers, carriers, spindles, pads, hardware, hoses, and 5 lug rotors for the rear that i already have on. help please...

[emkaytree]

Did you use early VR hubs? Hope not. Sucks man.

If they are late hubs then the rotor/wheel bearing probably isn't adjusted correctly.

[Insan3Vr6]

^ That.

Early vr6 (pre 1996) have 11inch rotors, 1996+ had 11.3

[canning.gti]

Huh?

I had no problem putting 11.3" rotors on my 95' gti

[I haz cheezeburgerz]

the hubs aren't early/late
it's all in the caliper and carrier - and the brake hose is different.

if you're using early vr6 calipers and carriers, the 11.3" stuff won't work unless you get the right calipers/carriers.

it's possible you bought 11" early vr stuff thinking it was 11.3" stuff. post pictures.

[germancarnut51]

Sounds like you got 11.0" brake calipers and carriers.

Are you trying to say that the caliper and rotor offset are wrong, and because of this, the caliper carrier mounting holes are in the wrong place (with the rotors on the car, the caliper carrier holes line up, but the carriers don't make contact with the steering knuckles OR the caliper carriers and the steering knuckles overlap when the caliper is slid over the rotor, and the mounting holes on the steering knuckles and the caliper carriers overlap, and are trying to occupy the same space at the same time.

The 11.0 calipers " and carriers are marked "54", "Girling" and/or "Lucas" they look very similar to the stock MKIII ABA 10.1" calipers and carriers. Many Unscrupulous Sellers sell 10.1" and 11.0" Luscas and Girling calipers and carriers interchangable, claiming that they are all the same, which is not true.

MKIII VR 11.3" calipers and carriers should be marked "54", "ATE" and "DE". They have banjo fittings to connect to the brake hoses. The stock VR front brake hoses with the banjo fittings you need to connect to the 11.3" ATE DE calipers are too short to use on a MKIII ABA car because the hoses terminate in difference places on the inner fender on ABA and VR car bodies.

There are also 11.3" calipers and carriers from Passats, and some Audi models marked "57" and "ATE" which will work that work with the stock screw in hoses that came on the ABA cars that will give you slightly better braking that the ATE DE 54 11.3" calipers of the late MKIII VR cars.

Did you modify your ABA cv axles with VR outer cv joints, or did you do the whole VR suspension swap? The ABA outer cv joints will not fit on the VW wheel hubs.

Post photos and someone may be able to tell you what you got.

[MkIII2ohslow]

well let me clear up exactly what i did on the front. i used my stock aba axles and fitted them with vr6 outter cv joints. i had new wheel bearings and vr6 5 lug wheel hubs pressed into the stock aba steering knuckles. i then bought 11.3" calipers and carriers. and yes they are 11.3". they r labled "VW (insert audi symbol here) 54 DE". the rotors i bought off of ecstuning which are the 288mm rotors...aka 11.3" . the calipers and carriers to fit over the rotors. thats not the issue. and the rotors do fit over the hubs. also not the issue. the caliper carriers when overtop of the rotor, will not stretch over far enough to bolt onto the aba steering knuckles. now, am i missing something? should i have gotten vr knuckles? would it be a bad idea to grind down the backside of the carriers in order to bolt them onto the knuckle?

[I haz cheezeburgerz]

welp there's your problem.
you need VR6 knuckles.
why in the world didn't you just convert everything? so wierd.

[MkIII2ohslow]

cuz im not made of money. im 18 with a 1 year old. right now im looking into getting these http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-...ersion/ES1375/

any comments on grinding down the back of the caliper carriers before i return the rotors i have to get the ones above??

[germancarnut51]

In theory, the parts that you got should bolt together without any problem. That is, if you received the right parts.

Have you tried to bolt the modified ABA cv axles up onto the VR wheel hubs yet?

Did you order VR6 11.3" brake rotors for a VR6, OR did you order 11.3" brake rotors for a ABA converted to 5-bolt wheels.

They make special 11.3" brake rotors with the ABA rotor and caliper offset, which is different than the 11.3" brake rotor offset for a VR6. Is there any chance that you recieved the wrong brake rotors?

They make some special brake rotors and special wheel hubs meant for use on ABA chassis cars to convert to 5-bolt wheels. You have to make sure that you are not using a mixture of the special parts, and normal VR parts.

[MkIII2ohslow]

read what i just posted and ull be able to see what im running right now

[germancarnut51]

How about photos of the problem?

[I haz cheezeburgerz]

OK so let me get this straight.
You're complaining about not having a lot of money or resources.
Then in the next breath you talk about how you're thinking of spending over $100 (with shipping) for some rotors you don't really need.

Smart.

[MkIII2ohslow]

they are 92 per rotor. i paid 70 for my rotors from the same website. so if i return them, im lookin at 130 for the set shipped. yea, its mad ****ing expensive, but its cheaper than another set of new wheel bearings, a vr rack and pinion with new tie rods, and trying to source out vr steering knuckles. im already balls deep into this so 92 bucks per rotor is starting to look like the cheapest and safest way out. in time ill do everything else the right way..

[emkaytree]

Sorry could have sworn hubs and wb housings had changes. Appreciate it. See wasn't that done is such a more civilized manner? Impressed actually. It took me a couple times of reading the garbage first post to realize in what matter it was making contact. Even if the hub did have changed the caliper/carrier is different anyway.

It's intelligence insulting to op, but, I'm with the others, the carriers/calipers are probably not the real deal. Measure them, in addition to mentioned pics. You never said where you got them? Germanautoparts or classifieds I bet

Sending any amount of money on any rotors, in this case, is beyond retarded. Rotor isn't the problem. Spending cash for new 11.3, even if your old brakes were trashed, when on a budget, is also stupid. The base brakes would have suited you fine for a daily. Save becauseracecar for a bigger bank account, especially on a mark 3

edit just also realized
So you don't have VR knuckles huh?

[JohnStamos]

why in the world didn't you just convert everything? so wierd.

Because a certain retard in this thread constantly posts that you can do so, even though the rotor offsets are COMPLETELY off and it isn't close to bolting up.

I have seen him post it at least 5 times now, and as usual he has no idea what he is talking about, but if you were to explain to him WHY it won't work, he will argue for 3 days straight.






OP, you can either get rotors made with the correct offset, or you have to swap COMPLETELY to plus suspension. No half assed parts mix-matching will work with 11.3 on base suspension.

[I haz cheezeburgerz]

Because a certain retard in this thread constantly posts that you can do so, even though the rotor offsets are COMPLETELY off and it isn't close to bolting up.

I have seen him post it at least 5 times now, and as usual he has no idea what he is talking about, but if you were to explain to him WHY it won't work, he will argue for 3 days straight.

QFT

[MkIII2ohslow]

well seeing that i already dropped x amount of dollars into converting the rear drums to disks with mk4 calipers and so on and so forth for the rear and dropped x amount of dollars into the front to make some franken axles, wheel bearing, having the bearings pressed in as well as the 5 lug hubs, calipers, pads, carriers, and rotors im kind of in the whole as far as money goes. so for now im just gonna say **** it and buy the eurospec rotors off ecstuning that are 288mm with the correct offset to make the calipers fit. and to think this all started when my tranny took a ****. rebuilt the tranny, new axles, new clutch and flywheel, mk4 manifolds intake and exhaust, obd1 head ported and polished and everything port matched, 270 cam and everything else in/on the car...and i mean EVERYTHING. yes, i am offically broke. the list is way longer but i think you guys get the point, im at a loss of money and im not about to redo the entire front end...AGAIN. thanks for the input guys. ill admit, i ****ed up. gettin the eurospec rotors for now, when those warp/are at the end of their lives, ill do the front end again, legit. my dad wants his truck back anyways. **** me.

[I haz cheezeburgerz]

next time: step 1 - research, step 2 - spend money
not the other way around
you'll be a'ight

[MkIII2ohslow]

i thought i did the proper amount of research. but everywhere i was reading people were saying 'franken axles, calipers, carries, pads, rotors, hubs, wheel bearings....and instant 5 lug." i swear some people on this forum are RETARDED.

[I haz cheezeburgerz]

i swear some people on this forum are RETARDED.

QFT.

Dude honestly, you can pretty much tell who is trustworthy here. If you ever need clarification, PM me or one of the other obviously knowledgeable people on here. I doubt anyone will get mad at you for asking for help if you do so nicely and legibly.

[germancarnut51]

i thought i did the proper amount of research. but everywhere i was reading people were saying 'franken axles, calipers, carries, pads, rotors, hubs, wheel bearings....and instant 5 lug." i swear some people on this forum are RETARDED.

There is more than one way to convert the front of a MKIII from 4-bolt to 5-bolt, and there are special conversion rotors, and wheel hubs that can be used for that purpose along with mixtures of ABA and VR parts, and modified stock parts that can be mixed and matched to that purpose.

Conversion parts will not necessarily be compatible. Meaning if you install special parts used for converting to 5-bolt one way, the parts used for converting another way, may not be compatible with the car anymore. Many people here on Vortex (and the Lemmings who have not experience, and who are only repeating what they're read) may not recognize that there is more than one valid approach to solving a problem.

Any mixing and matching of parts has to be done with care. Research before execution is the key, and after mixing parts, having the car serviced at a shop will always be a challenge, because the shop will have a problem trying to order replacement parts, unless you tell them what you did, how you did it, and what parts from what sources you used. It's hard enough to find a place that can change the motor oil without dumping gear oil in the timing hole or a shop that can recognize that you've swapped to 11.0" brakes on a ABA car, let alone a shop with competent mechanics that will recognize that you've done a 5-bolt conversion to a 4-bolt car, and know what combination of parts to order to replace suspension or brake parts on a swapped car.