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      06-25-2012 05:24 PM #1
      Talk about 0-60 times and excuses based on shifting gears keeps coming up in threads. So how about a list of all the low output or smaller engine cars that can reach the 60 milestone without needing 3rd gear.

      Civic Si can't. GTI can't. BRZ can't. What can?
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      06-25-2012 05:28 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post

      Civic Si can't. GTI can't. BRZ can't. What can?
      Wow.

      My B5 Audi 1.8t can do it. Stock exhaust too. It's redlines right at 61mph, but it can do it.

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      06-25-2012 05:33 PM #3
      i recall the cobalt ss being able to...not 100% on that though...

      i also recall my 5 speed miata being able to hit 60 or close in 2nd.
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      06-25-2012 05:34 PM #4
      Can't the WRX do it and the STI can't? Part part of the reason for the odd magazine reports on 0-60 times? Not sure about any this.

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      06-25-2012 05:36 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
      Wow.

      My B5 Audi 1.8t can do it. Stock exhaust too. It's redlines right at 61mph, but it can do it.
      The exhaust system will not change the maximum engine speed governor (redline) in your B5. It might change if you've reflashed the ECU.
      Lately I have been testing "tip-in events". Just the tip-in. Just to see how it feels. Response time is typically on the order of 2-3 seconds. Sometimes the injection timing is a little off...

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      06-25-2012 05:38 PM #6
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      06-25-2012 05:41 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by dmorrow View Post
      Can't the WRX do it and the STI can't? Part part of the reason for the odd magazine reports on 0-60 times? Not sure about any this.
      Correct. WRX with the 5spd can do it. STi with the 6spd cannot.

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      06-25-2012 05:41 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
      Wow.

      My B5 Audi 1.8t can do it. Stock exhaust too. It's redlines right at 61mph, but it can do it.
      My 1997 A4 1.8T quattro definitely could not hit 60 in 2nd gear. It was good to mid 50's at best from memory.

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      06-25-2012 05:42 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Jason4 View Post
      The exhaust system will not change the maximum engine speed governor (redline) in your B5. It might change if you've reflashed the ECU.


      It will let the car reach a higher speed in a less amount of RPM used. Thus eliminating the need to shift gears earlier.

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      06-25-2012 05:44 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      My 1997 A4 1.8T quattro definitely could not hit 60 in 2nd gear. It was good to mid 50's at best from memory.
      Maybe my automatic has different gearing than the 5-speed? I don't remember off hand.

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      06-25-2012 05:46 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
      Maybe my automatic has different gearing than the 5-speed? I don't remember off hand.
      It does, the automatics had taller gearing on the B5's.

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      06-25-2012 05:46 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post


      It will let the car reach a higher speed in a less amount of RPM used. Thus eliminating the need to shift gears earlier.
      I hope this isn't an epic trolling.

      Speed vs. gearing is fixed. Adding an exhaust/intake/turbo/supercharger/2 big bottles of NOS/etc will not give you higher top speed in each gear.

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      06-25-2012 05:47 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post


      It will let the car reach a higher speed in a less amount of RPM used. Thus eliminating the need to shift gears earlier.
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      06-25-2012 05:48 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post


      It will let the car reach a higher speed in a less amount of RPM used. Thus eliminating the need to shift gears earlier.
      I don't want to be mean, but... no it wont. If your redline is the same and your gearing is the same you will have the same top speed in 2nd gear with 100hp as you would with 1000hp.

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      06-25-2012 05:51 PM #15
      My FSXT can- same 5spd as the WRX.
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      06-25-2012 05:52 PM #16
      My mk1 could before I swapped transmissions, had a acn code and I'd be at around 62 when I'd shift at 6k

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      06-25-2012 05:54 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
      My B5 Audi 1.8t can do it. Stock exhaust too. It's redlines right at 61mph, but it can do it.
      i'm glad you posted that; i was thinking my B5 1.8t could have done it.
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      06-25-2012 05:58 PM #18
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      06-25-2012 06:00 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by helement2003 View Post
      I hope this isn't an epic trolling.

      Speed vs. gearing is fixed. Adding an exhaust/intake/turbo/supercharger/2 big bottles of NOS/etc will not give you higher top speed in each gear.
      According to f and f nos adds to top speed.

      BTW my 20th will do 60 in second. That's at like 7k though haha.
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      06-25-2012 06:01 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post


      It will let the car reach a higher speed in a less amount of RPM used. Thus eliminating the need to shift gears earlier.

      Lol wut?
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      06-25-2012 06:01 PM #21
      My '08 2.5T Rabbit reaches 68mph in 2nd gear.

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      06-25-2012 06:04 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by r2kool4u View Post
      According to f and f nos adds to top speed.
      At least that little bit can be half true.

      Suppose your car is geared in top gear to max out at 160mph, but you don't have enough horsepower to get there, maybe only 140mph. NOS or other power adders can definitely help increase your achievable top speed, but not your gear limited top speed.

      I know that's not what they said in the movie, but it can be applied that way.

    23. 06-25-2012 06:04 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post


      It will let the car reach a higher speed in a less amount of RPM used. Thus eliminating the need to shift gears earlier.
      call it potatography

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      06-25-2012 06:04 PM #24
      If it isn't 60 it'd be 59 4 Speed vw-Fox + 100DirectPort

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      06-25-2012 06:05 PM #25
      WRx 5psd will do 69 in 2nd...

      No idea why Subaru geared 2nd so damn tall, first is much shorter and I wish 2nd was a bit shorter too, to provide a bit more punch at slower speeds.

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      06-25-2012 06:05 PM #26
      I'm thinking about adding an exhaust to the S2000 so I can hit 70 in 2nd gear!


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      06-25-2012 06:09 PM #27
      Elise? I found this in a Lotus forum.

      " 8500rpm shifted 8000rpm 6200rpm
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      1st: 3.12 43.7 --- 41.2 31.9
      2nd: 2.05 66.6 5585 62.7 48.6
      3rd: 1.48 92.2 6137 86.8 67.3
      4th: 1.17 116.6 6720 109.8 85.1
      5th: 0.92 148.3 6684 139.6 108.2
      6th: 0.81 168.5 7484 158.6 122.9
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      3000: 23.5
      3500: 27.4
      4000: 31.3
      4500: 35.2
      5000: 39.2
      5500: 43.1
      6000: 47.0
      6500: 50.9
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      06-25-2012 06:10 PM #28
      Yeah pretty much any 5 speed manual trans car can hit 60 in 2nd. Most 6 speeds are geared too tight.
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    29. 06-25-2012 06:12 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post


      It will let the car reach a higher speed in a less amount of RPM used. Thus eliminating the need to shift gears earlier.
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      06-25-2012 06:14 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post


      It will let the car reach a higher speed in a less amount of RPM used. Thus eliminating the need to shift gears earlier.
      I think I'm getting trolled by a moderator.

      As was said earlier the relationship between engine speed and wheel speed is fixed mechanically by the driveline. An auto trans with a torque converter makes that relationship a little looser but under acceleration even if the TC wasn't locked you wouldn't have a higher wheel speed/engine speed with a different exhaust.

      You are correct that a less restrictive exhaust might get you some improvement in elapsed time but again, it will not change the relationship between engine speed and vehicle speed which was the original question.
      Lately I have been testing "tip-in events". Just the tip-in. Just to see how it feels. Response time is typically on the order of 2-3 seconds. Sometimes the injection timing is a little off...

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      06-25-2012 06:17 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post


      It will let the car reach a higher speed in a less amount of RPM used. Thus eliminating the need to shift gears earlier.
      which suggests that you were powered limited in reaching your rev limiter in 2nd gear.


      seriously?

    32. 06-25-2012 06:17 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Talk about 0-60 times and excuses based on shifting gears keeps coming up in threads. So how about a list of all the low output or smaller engine cars that can reach the 60 milestone without needing 3rd gear.

      Civic Si can't. GTI can't. BRZ can't. What can?
      This can:



      If I wind it out to redline, I can hit somewhere around 72-75 MPH in second. Of course, I almost never do so since power drops off sharply by 5500 RPM. This is why I can't recall exactly what my second gear redline speed is.

      (OP never said anything about excluding 3spd slushboxes.)
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      my accord lol

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      06-25-2012 06:32 PM #34
      I'm pretty sure the Porsche 968 will reach 60mph in second gear if you are willing to bounce it off of the rev limiter.

    35. 06-25-2012 06:37 PM #35
      It seems to me, that many (most) cars which used to with a 5 speed, cannot with a 6 speed. Instead of simply keeping the base 5 ratio's, and adding a granny gear for 6th; they redistributed the gear ratio's.

      It was even more common in the days of 4 speeds and 3 speeds.
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