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    1. 07-05-2012 10:55 AM #1
      We are almost at the halfway point of the 2012 season, for the home race of not only some of the drivers, but also some of the teams.



      Thoughts?
      Last edited by gizmopop; 07-06-2012 at 10:09 AM.

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      07-05-2012 12:53 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by gizmopop View Post
      We are almost at the halfway point of the 2012 season, for the home race of not only some of the drivers, but also some of the teams.
      Thoughts?
      If Massa thinks the F2012 should suit the circuit, then Alonso definitely should have another good showing.
      It is said that the Lotus should go well here and i've even heard that the RB is suited for the circuit, but who really knows? I'm thinking that last weekend's RB pace looked a little deceiving. I mean Vettel blasted off, but everyone got caught behind the Ham-train. And even if Vettel pulled a gap again, who's to say that he just didn't thrash his tires just to get another stop in there (alas Schumacher at Magny Cours in '04?).....
      Macca? Well what can you say? Unfortunately the odds are better at betting against their pitstops than a podium....
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      07-05-2012 02:05 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by kfzmeister View Post
      .....
      Macca? Well what can you say? Unfortunately the odds are better at betting against their pitstops than a podium....


      Agreed...

    4. 07-05-2012 02:31 PM #4
      Yeah considering Macca's pitstop performance this year, every one of their races should aim for a 1 stop strategy...

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      07-06-2012 05:12 AM #5
      What's with Red Bull's new livery?



      Upon closer examination, it looks like something they did back in 2008:



      Last time, you uploaded a picture of yourself and donated some money to a charity. But I'm guessing this time it has something to do with Facebook.

    6. 07-06-2012 07:15 AM #6
      British Grand Prix 2012 Live Stream Watch Online free here. The 2012 British Grand Prix is a Formula One motor race scheduled to take place at the Silverstone Circuit in Northamptonshire and Buckinghamshire, England on 8 July 2012.

      http://www.sportsbun.com/formula1/br...eam-f1-online/

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    8. 07-06-2012 10:32 AM #8
      Grosjean tops first practice session in the wet...

      Edit:2nd practice over...

      1 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:56.345 8
      2 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:56.474 0.129 16
      3 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:56.545 0.200 12
      4 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:56.567 0.222 9
      5 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:57.493 1.148 13
      6 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:57.948 1.603 9
      7 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1:58.580 2.235 10
      8 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:58.897 2.552 8
      9 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:58.943 2.598 12
      10 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:59.015 2.670 14
      11 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:59.429 3.084 9
      12 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:59.472 3.127 6
      13 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:59.476 3.131 10
      14 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:59.854 3.509 7
      15 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 2:00.565 4.220 7
      16 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 2:00.820 4.475 11
      17 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 2:01.099 4.754 6
      18 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 2:01.348 5.003 12
      19 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 2:03.719 7.374 8
      20 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 2:04.774 8.429 8
      21 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault No time 1
      22 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari No time 2
      23 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault No time 1
      24 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth No time 0
      Last edited by gizmopop; 07-06-2012 at 10:47 AM.

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      07-06-2012 01:01 PM #9
      If its a wet race Massa will win!

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      07-06-2012 01:11 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by gizmopop View Post
      Grosjean tops first practice session in the wet...

      Edit:2nd practice over...

      1 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:56.345 8
      2 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari ............
      Look at those times! Hamilton laid down a blistering lap......
      Did anybody do much more than a few installation laps??
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      07-06-2012 03:17 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by GTIVRSEX2 View Post
      If its a wet race Massa will win!
      oh yeah absolutely
      "Hamilton is catching you; keep your cool"

    12. 07-06-2012 04:12 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by kfzmeister View Post
      Look at those times! Hamilton laid down a blistering lap......
      Did anybody do much more than a few installation laps??
      Results from the first practice session for comparison...Both sessions were wet.

      1 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:56.552 13
      2 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:56.827 0.275 10
      3 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:57.174 0.622 6
      4 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:57.664 1.112 11
      5 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:58.119 1.567 7
      6 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:58.463 1.911 7
      7 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:58.483 1.931 19
      8 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:58.493 1.941 10
      9 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:58.942 2.390 8
      10 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:59.076 2.524 12
      11 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:59.414 2.862 11
      12 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1:59.614 3.062 9
      13 19 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1:59.733 3.181 7
      14 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1:59.787 3.235 10
      15 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 2:00.125 3.573 5
      16 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 2:00.253 3.701 6
      17 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 2:01.834 5.282 6
      18 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 2:01.835 5.283 6
      19 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 2:04.341 7.789 9
      20 23 Dani Clos HRT-Cosworth 2:05.022 8.470 11
      21 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 2:11.760 15.208 6
      22 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari No time 4
      23 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes No time 3
      24 12 Jules Bianchi Force India-Mercedes No time 1

      Grosjean's time from the first session is still pretty good...

      I think someone switched Massa's setup with Alonso's though....

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      07-06-2012 04:37 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by gizmopop View Post

      I think someone switched Massa's setup with Alonso's though....
      Alonso would leave Massa in the dust with Pedro's HRT!

      Btw, i heard that Fernando's picture is on the RBR this weekend.
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      07-06-2012 11:44 PM #14
      Will Buxton's rant about the new pit complex at Silverstone was brilliant

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      07-07-2012 07:58 AM #15
      P3 results. At least this session was dry!

      1 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:32.167
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      2 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.320 0.153 20
      3 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:32.358 0.191 25
      4 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:32.420 0.253 21
      5 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:32.454 0.287 25
      6 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.477 0.310 20
      7 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:32.622 0.455 21
      8 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:32.940 0.773 19
      9 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:33.046 0.879 20
      10 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:33.150 0.983 19
      11 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1:33.267 1.100 25
      12 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:33.367 1.200 20
      13 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:33.398 1.231 24
      14 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:33.462 1.295 24
      15 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:33.673 1.506 22
      16 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:33.674 1.507 21
      17 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:33.707 1.540 21
      18 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:33.733 1.566 15
      19 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1:34.298 2.131 18
      20 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1:34.781 2.614 20
      21 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1:36.605 4.438 18
      22 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1:37.060 4.893 14
      23 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:37.269 5.102 23
      24 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1:37.429 5.262 17

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      07-07-2012 10:34 AM #16
      .050 of a second, Baby!!!!!!
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      07-07-2012 11:01 AM #17
      Hell yeah!!

    18. 07-07-2012 11:30 AM #18
      well done alonso, schumacher and vettel.

      button could be the suprise with lots of tyres.

      hamilton not even in the picture, but again rain does bring lottery.

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      07-07-2012 11:35 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by rscshakespeare View Post
      well done alonso, schumacher and webber.
      There, i fixed it for ya!

      hamilton not even in the picture, but again rain does bring lottery.
      Hmmm, is that Pastor starting next to him?
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      07-07-2012 12:56 PM #20
      Red flagging Q2 was a BS move. Teams and drivers chose to wait and go out late and the chose to drive too hard for the conditions, and yet they're rewarded for it. Retarded.

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      07-07-2012 01:01 PM #21
      You would not have said that had Vettel been on pole.
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      07-07-2012 01:05 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by kfzmeister View Post
      You would not have said that had Vettel been on pole.
      I don't give a sh*t who ended up on pole, I'm irked at the principle of the matter: it was a bogus move and those other teams got screwed. I would have loved to have seen some underdogs that made the better call make it through rather than the usual suspects.

      But you can think whatever you want

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      07-07-2012 05:09 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      I don't give a sh*t who ended up on pole, I'm irked at the principle of the matter: it was a bogus move and those other teams got screwed. I would have loved to have seen some underdogs that made the better call make it through rather than the usual suspects.

      But you can think whatever you want
      People spinning, cars aquaplaning, potential crashes.........they made the right call.
      Plus it gave Alonso a second chance at pole.
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      07-07-2012 05:48 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by kfzmeister View Post
      People spinning, cars aquaplaning, potential crashes.........they made the right call.
      Plus it gave Alonso a second chance at pole.
      Are the teams and drivers not big boys and girls? They chose to go out for a lap when they knew the conditions were sketchy; they could have just as easily kept the car in the paddock if they felt they couldn't run.

      If they wanted to delay the NEXT session, sure, that would make sense, but don't stop the current session and screw over those who made the right call to go out early with the appropriate set-up just because the big teams moaned about not being competitive in the worsening conditions.

      For the record, the risks you mentioned are prevalent any time it's raining, especially at a track with drainage as poor as Silverstone. They're hardly justification for red flagging a Qualifying session mid-way through. Like I said, let the clock run out and THEN have a break to let the weather clear if it's that bad.

      /shrug I just feel we were robbed of a potentially very exciting race in favour of one much less so.

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      07-07-2012 10:09 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      Are the teams and drivers not big boys and girls?
      Ahhh, yes and the majority teams and drivers agreed that it was the correct thing to do. Even your boi Vettel said so.......
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      07-07-2012 11:50 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by kfzmeister View Post
      Ahhh, yes and the majority teams and drivers agreed that it was the correct thing to do. Even your boi Vettel said so.......
      The majority? The only ones I saw were those either in the knockout zone or those about to be (Vettel was 10th at the time).

      PS. Got any other tricks up your sleeve aside from bringing up Vettel every chance you have?

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      07-08-2012 07:24 AM #27
      Less than an hour to the start of the race and the weather looks pretty dodgy. Is everyone starting on inters, full wets, or drys? Temp not supposed to get above the mid-60's, and there's a 60% chance of rain the rest of the day. Should make for an interesting race!

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      07-08-2012 08:44 AM #28
      Did Perez just drop an F-bomb on the BBC feed? Pretty harsh words for Pastor.

    29. 07-08-2012 10:24 AM #29
      Normally that would likely be a racing incident, but Pastor attracts incidents like flies on sh^t. He needs to get his poop together.

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    30. 07-08-2012 10:51 AM #30
      hard fought alonso. he deserved to win this one.

      well done to the red bull boys. this could be webbers year. that would be nice to see.

      was hoping for schumacher but at least he got points....

      go kimi..

      mclaren need to get their act together. MW said they would be fast in either all dry or all wet but nothing intermediate. they got raped.

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      07-08-2012 01:57 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by rscshakespeare View Post
      hard fought alonso. he deserved to win this
      In what sense? It was a straight-up race; no flags or safety cars to dictate the finish. The deserving driver was the one on the top step. It's not like Ferrari had an underperforming car here either if Felipe's 4th is anything to go by.

      Decent enough race; good fight with Hamilton v. Alonso and Webber v. Alonso. Relatively forgetful overall, though I've never been a fan of Silverstone.

    32. 07-08-2012 03:15 PM #32
      meaning, it sucks to lose out on first place in the remaining laps. nothing else was meant by it. webber did deserve it but i would have liked alonso to win. the end.

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      07-08-2012 06:36 PM #33
      I was really surprised at how quick FA was on the hard tires off the start, compared to everyone else on the softs. I was also surprised that everyone else went w/ the hard tires for the third stint (except FA of course, who couldn't). I actually thought FA would be quicker w/ the soft tires in the third stint, w/ so much of the fuel gone from the car. I guess I should have realized something was up w/ the fresh hard tires were as fast, or faster than the fresh soft tires.

      Congrats to MW on the win, he has shown that he certainly has the pace. But even bigger congrats to FM on his 4th! Best result since Korea '10. Looks like Ferrari has gotten their mid-season developement up to speed. Sucks for LH and JB (and McLaren). The way things are going, LH will be lucky to be in the top-5 of the WDC, at the end of the year. Who knows what's wrong? Also, both Ferrari and Lotus/Renault jumped them in the WCC.

      Not sure what is going on w/ Mercedes either. I think the only reason MS was 3rd on the grid was due to the wet qualifying.

      I know there's a long way to go, but it's been an interesting season so far. Will MW and FA battle for the WDC all the way to Brazil? Will SV stay in the hunt? Will McLaren get their act together and give LH and JB a winning car? Kind of glad the season isn't even half over yet!

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      07-08-2012 06:55 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by rscshakespeare View Post
      the end.
      Lol

      Pastor needs a harsh warning. He clearly pulled the same move as on Hamilton a few weeks ago, meaning that he made no effort to pull the wheel to the left to avoid the other car.

      I was a little baffled when Ferrari pulled in Alonso on lap 16 to change his hards. It seems like he should have been able to go longer. Webber came in just a lap before with his softs! If Alonso would have gone 3-4 laps longer on the hards, could he have won? Hamilton went 22 laps on his hards!

      Did anyone notice that Ferrari skipped both Lotus AND McLaren in the Constructors this weekend??

      Gonna be a good July. 2 more races....
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      07-08-2012 08:31 PM #35
      It looked to me like Pastor simply lost the front end in sudden understeer and couldn't catch it in time. But he's a victim of his own behaviour really, the boy who cried wolf a few roo many times. If he had a cleaner record he probably could have gotten the benefit of the doubt with this one.

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