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    Thread: Q: How could you gain 25 awhp and 32 tq from a CAI?

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      07-06-2012 08:22 PM #1
      DYNO NUMBERS ARE IN FOR THE PR COLDer AIR INTAKE!

      The final Dyno numbers are in for the Phoenix Rising (PR) Colder Air Intake. So in order to remain as conservative as possible these 5 consecutive runs were performed one after another in the brutal AZ heat. Additionally the numbers are done on a MAHA dyno which are notoriously lower numbers than other dynos out here. The final icing on the cake so to speak is that this dyno is a true all wheel drive dyno, so the following numbers are as accurate as you could hope for.

      Without further adieu....

      The BSH/PR Golf.:R owned by BSHR on the ol' Maha Dyno


      First (baseline-ish) run on stock intake


      Phoenix Rising intake run


      So friends the final numbers are all groundbreaking firsts in the CAI market for VAG cars. So for the round up we got:

      1. Gains of 24.8 all-wheel HP
      2. Gains of 31.8 all-wheel TQ
      3. IATs were sitting far lower than average at 25.6 above engine temp (5 consecutive runs in 113 degree desert heat.)


      MORE INFO LINK:
      [PHOENIX RISING by BSH COLDer AIR INTAKE]


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    2. 07-06-2012 08:39 PM #2
      this looks pretty interesting, does the hood close without a problem? any sound clips

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      07-06-2012 09:03 PM #3
      I cant think of a better place to test an intake system then during the summer in Arizona. Eagerly looking forward to putting it to the test in a Houston summer!

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      07-06-2012 09:11 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by riderbmx4 View Post
      this looks pretty interesting, does the hood close without a problem? any sound clips
      I believe they include a relocation for the strut to hold the hood, allowing for everything to fit nicely. I'll be buying one in a week or so
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    5. 07-06-2012 09:51 PM #5
      Looks good, but i'm skeptical. Listed as stage 2+... could be a weak tune, then a badass tune so who knows. I'd love to see more independent stuff on this.

    6. 07-06-2012 09:53 PM #6
      I think I may order one, it does make sense not wrapping the pipes over the top of the engine because it would produce heat.

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      07-06-2012 09:53 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by imdarkrider View Post
      Looks good, but i'm skeptical. Listed as stage 2+... could be a weak tune, then a badass tune so who knows. I'd love to see more independent stuff on this.
      They used APRs 93 stg2+ tune for the testing.

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      07-06-2012 10:16 PM #8
      My toes are tapping, waiting to receive a shipping notice. The Forge Twintercooler is due next week, so I hope this PR CAI shows up as well. My custom hatch emblem will arrive next week too!
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    9. 07-07-2012 02:53 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by ecirwin View Post
      My toes are tapping, waiting to receive a shipping notice. The Forge Twintercooler is due next week, so I hope this PR CAI shows up as well. My custom hatch emblem will arrive next week too!
      So did u order.this intake? It looks promising. The forge twintake is taking a life time to be back on the shelfs

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      07-07-2012 03:05 AM #10
      i was thinking abotu chopping up my neuspeed an placing it on the passenger side, seems more logical then to go over the turbo and have the heat radiate upwards

      is that stock toon or stage 1+?

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      07-07-2012 04:09 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by iMod.:R View Post
      Without further adieu.....
      I agree, one adieu is perfectly sufficient.
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      07-07-2012 08:37 AM #12
      Can't wait to get my intake. Ordered it a couple weeks back.

      Any idea when they will start shipping?

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      07-07-2012 11:48 AM #13
      Any chance of this coming in black?

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      07-07-2012 11:55 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by batman25 View Post
      Any chance of this coming in black?
      It does come in black. It mentions this on the product page on the bsh website.

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      07-07-2012 12:05 PM #15
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      07-07-2012 12:41 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by riderbmx4 View Post
      So did u order.this intake? It looks promising. The forge twintake is taking a life time to be back on the shelfs
      Yes, I did the preorder for this intake and got a 15% discount, so it was cheaper than the Twintake, but still more than the Wintake. Those were the other 2 intakes I was considering. I also looked at the EVOMs intake, but I was not impressed with the fit/finish of the parts.
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      07-07-2012 12:43 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Rdurty2 View Post
      Can't wait to get my intake. Ordered it a couple weeks back.

      Any idea when they will start shipping?
      I sent them an email this week and I was told they will start shipping next week. The holiday this week got in the way of getting them shipped out.
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    18. 07-07-2012 01:25 PM #18
      ok, color me stupid... but where do I find more info on this intake?
      I have not heard/read/seen anything about it before this.

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      07-07-2012 01:53 PM #19
      Ditto ^

      Can we get more pics? It looks pretty gnarly in the engine bay. In a good way I think. Also, sound clips on a stock car?
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      07-07-2012 02:01 PM #20
      Wow, seems like one unique intake, wondering how it compares to the VWR intake.
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      07-07-2012 02:04 PM #21
      I look forward to seeing some more #'s after customers have installed. Anytime I see over 10-12 hp claims for an intake I become dubious

    22. 07-07-2012 02:37 PM #22
      im wondering if its a good idea to relocate the m.a.f. my friend had some issue with his forge twintake because the M.A.F wasn't in the original position, it was located close the the bend of the intake, so he had some idle issue

    23. 07-07-2012 03:32 PM #23
      those of you with a catch can will be moving it also. I want to see the true fit/finish on this.

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      07-07-2012 08:26 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by slackin' at work View Post
      ok, color me stupid... but where do I find more info on this intake?
      I have not heard/read/seen anything about it before this.
      There is some info in iMod's build thread. In the first post in this thread, there is a link to the BSH site, where you could order one. I believe there are only 2 of these on cars, one being iMod and the other is the one shown in the pic above. That car belongs to a guy that works for BSH. He has a build thread on here, but I can't remember his user name.

      The dynos above are the most specific info we have seen so far. There were quite a few people convinced by the theory and early pictures to pre-buy one. I'm in that group. I have not received a shipment notice, but it is supposed to ship very soon, hopefully early in the week. I want to install it ASAP to see the full potential of 2+. This intake and the Twintercooler are the last power mods I am going to do.
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      07-07-2012 08:46 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by watsonj0 View Post
      Anytime I see over 10-12 hp claims for an intake I become dubious
      Remember that the numbers above are with a 2+ tune and compare the stock intake to this intake. I wouldn't think about this in terms of raw numbers, but more in terms of percentage. The claimed increases are roughly 10%. To me, that does not seem unreasonable.
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    26. 07-07-2012 10:03 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by ecirwin View Post
      There is some info in iMod's build thread. In the first post in this thread, there is a link to the BSH site, where you could order one. I believe there are only 2 of these on cars, one being iMod and the other is the one shown in the pic above. That car belongs to a guy that works for BSH. He has a build thread on here, but I can't remember his user name.

      The dynos above are the most specific info we have seen so far. There were quite a few people convinced by the theory and early pictures to pre-buy one. I'm in that group. I have not received a shipment notice, but it is supposed to ship very soon, hopefully early in the week. I want to install it ASAP to see the full potential of 2+. This intake and the Twintercooler are the last power mods I am going to do.
      I wanna b part of that group buy!

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      07-08-2012 12:09 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by watsonj0 View Post
      I look forward to seeing some more #'s after customers have installed. Anytime I see over 10-12 hp claims for an intake I become dubious
      Lots of companies make claims. How many actually show you dyno results? Kinda takes the guessing out of it.

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      07-08-2012 01:20 AM #28
      I'd like to see dnyo specs on a 100% stock car, stock intake versus this one, same day back to back runs.

      Looks great, but without the tested car posting all of its specs, and with the stock intake being so restrictive on a 2+ tune.. Might be a cleaner way to see gains.
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      07-08-2012 01:38 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by V8Star View Post
      I'd like to see dnyo specs on a 100% stock car, stock intake versus this one, same day back to back runs.

      Looks great, but without the tested car posting all of its specs, and with the stock intake being so restrictive on a 2+ tune.. Might be a cleaner way to see gains.
      This

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      07-08-2012 09:45 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by V8Star View Post
      I'd like to see dnyo specs on a 100% stock car, stock intake versus this one, same day back to back runs.

      Looks great, but without the tested car posting all of its specs, and with the stock intake being so restrictive on a 2+ tune.. Might be a cleaner way to see gains.
      my initial thought as well
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      07-08-2012 11:53 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by V8Star View Post
      I'd like to see dnyo specs on a 100% stock car, stock intake versus this one, same day back to back runs.

      Looks great, but without the tested car posting all of its specs, and with the stock intake being so restrictive on a 2+ tune.. Might be a cleaner way to see gains.
      Why? We know the stock intake is a restriction on a stock car. Clearly the amount of the restriction is going to be less at stock levels vs stg1 or stg2. I'd guess almost no one with an intake is going to be on a stock tune anyway. Most people seem to be always asking for stg1 and stg2 numbers.

      It had a turboback (w/ res and cat), HPFP, FMIC, a catch can and APRs stg2+ software. For the intake runs it also had an intake. That's it. Basic stg2+ car. The two runs also seem to be less than an hour apart.
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      07-08-2012 01:16 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by webcrawlr View Post
      Why? We know the stock intake is a restriction on a stock car. Clearly the amount of the restriction is going to be less at stock levels vs stg1 or stg2. I'd guess almost no one with an intake is going to be on a stock tune anyway. Most people seem to be always asking for stg1 and stg2 numbers.

      It had a turboback (w/ res and cat), HPFP, FMIC, a catch can and APRs stg2+ software. For the intake runs it also had an intake. That's it. Basic stg2+ car. The two runs also seem to be less than an hour apart.
      All stage2+ tunes require an aftermarket intake. Which is why I want to see a comparison of the PR cold air intake versus a stock intake on an otherwise completely stock car. (No exhaust, tune, etc)
      If your stage2+ with a stock intake you will be starving the car of air, which is why it will make tons of power with a free flowing cai versus stock.

      I'm not against the intake, if it makes better numbers than all others I would probably buy it. I just want to see better consumer information.

      Another comparison would be a stage2+ car, with a different aftermarket intake (IE neuspeed or VWR) versus the PR cold air. Then we can see gains versus the competition on an already tuned car.
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      07-08-2012 01:22 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by V8Star View Post
      I'd like to see dnyo specs on a 100% stock car, stock intake versus this one, same day back to back runs.

      Looks great, but without the tested car posting all of its specs, and with the stock intake being so restrictive on a 2+ tune.. Might be a cleaner way to see gains.
      Please explain why you are so concerned about the raw numbers? I think everyone gets bogged down in comparing the power numbers from this intake or that one, this exhaust or that, this intercooler or that.

      First, we know that dyno numbers are suspect. No 2 dyno machines are the same, even from the same brand. Even the same machine with the same car will show different numbers on different days, or even different times of the same day. There are far too many variables to control them all.

      To me it comes down to understanding the theory and technical details behind each design. Arin from APR finally posted a list of design features for the VWR intake to support the cost of that unit, which looks so similar to several others on the market but costs nearly twice as much. At least we now know what makes that unit different and can decide if those details make us feel comfortable with spending the extra cash.

      In the end, a car with a tune, HPFP, DP, intake, and upgraded intercooler is going to put about 300 HP to the pavement. Maybe some combinations will make slightly more and others will make slightly less. The differences in those numbers are not large enough to make any real difference in performance. Other variables will make more difference to the performance of the car than the differences in the upgraded parts. The fuel quality, tire traction, oil viscosity, tire pressure, etc. are all variables that will also affect the final performance, not to mention the carbon life form behind the wheel.

      The point is that you should not be so hung up on dyno numbers. You know all the bits and pieces that go into making this car faster. Maybe some combinations of those parts will end up making a little more power than some other combination, but will it really matter? There just isn't going to be a silver bullet that is going to make one car substantially faster than another.

      I feel that it comes down to being comfortable that the company you are buying from is doing a good job and providing a quality part. The idea of routing the intake the was BSH has done makes sense. How much difference it makes to the performance in the end may not prove to be all that substantial. At least you know that they really took the time to think about the routing and didn't just accept that the factory path was good enough.
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