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    Thread: Not even Dan Neil got a full Tesla Model S test drive [jalopnik]

    1. 07-07-2012 11:03 AM #1
      http://m.jalopnik.com/5924119/its-to...l-s-test-drive

      Honestly, I think Matt did too good of a job here to pick bits and pieces to quote. Just do yourself a favor and go read the article.
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      07-07-2012 11:12 AM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by cougar View Post
      Just do yourself a favor and go read the article.
      No thanks.
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      07-07-2012 11:14 AM #3
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      No thanks.
      Agreed. So sick of this Jalopnik BS.
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      07-07-2012 11:15 AM #4
      Not this **** again.
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      07-07-2012 11:15 AM #5
      Dan Neil is a Jeremy Clarkson wannabe. Why would Tesla want to go down that road again?

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      07-07-2012 11:22 AM #7
      Dan's original article.

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...hatsNewsSecond

      The Model S offers a choice of three battery packs: 40, 60 and 85 kWh capacity, corresponding to a highway range/acceleration of 160 miles/6.5 seconds, 230/5.9 seconds, and 300/5.6 seconds, respectively. The Signature Performance edition couples the biggest battery with those twin power inverters and hotter software.


      And I am still perplexed and skeptical of the mileage claims.
      The Leaf has 24 kWh battery and can go maybe 85 miles on a charge.
      How can this MUCH heavier and sportier Tesla go twice that on a battery that is just 40 kWh?
      It will be interesting to see real world range figures.
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    8. 07-07-2012 11:26 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Agreed. So sick of this Jalopnik BS.
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      No thanks.
      Sorry for holding a gun to both your heads and making you post.

      I swear... bunch of ****ing whiners. How about this then, do yourself a favor and ignore my posts?
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      07-07-2012 11:30 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by cougar View Post
      Sorry for holding a gun to both your heads and making you post.

      I swear... bunch of ****ing whiners. How about this then, do yourself a favor and ignore my posts?
      Or maybe you could stop airing Jalopniks dirty laundry. They're just sour grapes that Elon Musk hates them (rightly so) and they keep going public with this political rubbish hoping someone will feel sorry for them.

      It's got to stop. You're just feeding the Jalopnik troll.
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      07-07-2012 11:33 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Agreed. So sick of this Jalopnik BS.
      ugh. its like a continuous stoner rant on something practically irrelevant. and this is like the fifth freakin article. this time he goes as far as to call tesla out on taking government money and how that makes them obligated to give car reviewers more time behind the wheel. really?
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      07-07-2012 11:41 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by cougar View Post
      I swear... bunch of ****ing whiners. How about this then, do yourself a favor and ignore my posts?
      Do you intend on continuing to be Matt's whore?
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      07-07-2012 11:50 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
      Do you intend on continuing to be Matt's whore?
      I thought he was Matt's cougar.
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      07-07-2012 11:53 AM #13
      The best way to get back at them would be to talk about the car instead of talking about them.

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      07-07-2012 11:59 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      The best way to get back at them would be to talk about the car instead of talking about them.

      Just my 2 cents.
      Agree. Matt has made it clear with this article that its not about the car any more. It's about his personal vendetta against Mr Musk.
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      07-07-2012 12:06 PM #15
      The TMZ of the automotive world strikes again! Ha Ha!

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      07-07-2012 12:08 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Dan's original article.

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...hatsNewsSecond

      The Model S offers a choice of three battery packs: 40, 60 and 85 kWh capacity, corresponding to a highway range/acceleration of 160 miles/6.5 seconds, 230/5.9 seconds, and 300/5.6 seconds, respectively. The Signature Performance edition couples the biggest battery with those twin power inverters and hotter software.


      And I am still perplexed and skeptical of the mileage claims.
      The Leaf has 24 kWh battery and can go maybe 85 miles on a charge.
      How can this MUCH heavier and sportier Tesla go twice that on a battery that is just 40 kWh?
      It will be interesting to see real world range figures.
      Difference in battery chemistry?

      The same way one of the new lithium type batteries lasts much longer than the traditional gold and black duracell. Both cars say li-ion batteries but Tesla lists specs as many more individual battery cells, and that accounts for the additional size of the Tesla battery. Chop it in half and it still has more battery cells than the Leaf.
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      07-07-2012 12:08 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
      Agree. Matt has made it clear with this article that its not about the car any more. It's about his personal vendetta against Mr Musk.
      Mr. Musk's credentials include PayPal, SpaceX (with a successful trip to and from the ISS), Tesla Motors...

      Matt has...?

      I'm not saying that Musk/Tesla Motors are saints, but I give him the benefit of the doubt.
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      07-07-2012 12:12 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

      I'm not saying that Musk/Tesla Motors are saints, but I give him the benefit of the doubt.
      Especially when it's been made clear countless times that Tesla is only currently offering first drives and that longer-term road test reviews will come later. It's SOP for every manufacturer releasing a new car and only Jalopnik seems to not "understand" the concept.

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      07-07-2012 12:13 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Difference in battery chemistry?

      The same way one of the new lithium type batteries lasts much longer than the traditional gold and black duracell. Both cars say li-ion batteries but Tesla lists specs as many more individual battery cells, and that accounts for the additional size of the Tesla battery. Chop it in half and it still has more battery cells than the Leaf.
      Yes, that could be it.

      Does the EPA test these range estimates?
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      07-07-2012 12:14 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post

      Does the EPA test these range estimates?
      Can't. Only get car for ten minutes.

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      07-07-2012 12:14 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by chikubi View Post
      Especially when it's been made clear countless times that Tesla is only currently offering first drives and that longer-term road test reviews will come later. It's SOP for every manufacturer releasing a new car and only Jalopnik seems to not "understand" the concept.
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      07-07-2012 12:15 PM #22
      Heh heh heh, "cougar" rags on me then deletes his post. Good show there, chief.

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      07-07-2012 12:15 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by chikubi View Post
      Can't. Only get car for ten minutes.
      EPA, not crybaby auto journalists.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      EPA, not crybaby auto journalists.
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      07-07-2012 12:21 PM #25
      Was just looking at the specs, and I didn't know the Model S was slightly bigger than a 5 series. I have to admit I doubt the range claims now that I've seen the numbers. We'll find out eventually I guess.
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      07-07-2012 12:23 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by warren_s View Post
      Heh heh heh, "cougar" rags on me then deletes his post. Good show there, chief.
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    27. 07-07-2012 12:25 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by cougar View Post
      http://m.jalopnik.com/5924119/its-to...l-s-test-drive

      Honestly, I think Matt did too good of a job here to pick bits and pieces to quote. Just do yourself a favor and go read the article.
      So what exactly is your affiliation with Jalopnik?
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      07-07-2012 12:25 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by chikubi View Post
      Especially when it's been made clear countless times that Tesla is only currently offering first drives and that longer-term road test reviews will come later. It's SOP for every manufacturer releasing a new car and only Jalopnik seems to not "understand" the concept.
      Last time Matt was saying SOP is for manufacturers to hand the keys over for an afternoon. Matt was saying Tesla was giving a lot less time than they're used to and they had to have a PR person ride along or something like that.
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    29. 07-07-2012 12:28 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by warren_s View Post
      Heh heh heh, "cougar" rags on me then deletes his post. Good show there, chief.
      I didn't delete any of my own posts actually, you can thank a moderator for that.

      As far as I'm concerned the mods might as well lock up the thread because folks like you seem to insist on posting unprovoked complaints about Jalopnik rather than the content of the article posted. This isn't the "Journalism Critique Lounge."

      I think I do a good job of recognizing that some people don't like Jalopnik, and I put it in the subject almost every time so that folks who have a problem with it can skip the thread if they choose. That's apparently not enough for some people and they just get off on complaining.
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      07-07-2012 12:30 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by emmettlodge View Post
      Chief? I prefer "sport" or "champ".

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      07-07-2012 12:30 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by cougar View Post
      I didn't delete any of my own posts actually, you can thank a moderator for that.

      As far as I'm concerned the mods might as well lock up the thread because folks like you seem to insist on posting unprovoked complaints about Jalopnik rather than the content of the article posted. This isn't the "Journalism Critique Lounge."
      Well.. it might be better form to post a link to the original article (Dan's WSJ link) than to a site trying to use the other journalist's article for their own purpose (to which I have no idea what it would be other than to increase click traffic).

      Doe you have any Brenda Priddy pictures you want to post?
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      07-07-2012 12:33 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by cougar View Post
      As far as I'm concerned the mods might as well lock up the thread because folks like you seem to insist on posting unprovoked complaints about Jalopnik rather than the content of the article posted. This isn't the "Journalism Critique Lounge."
      Okay, but Jalopnik isn't "journalism", it's a blog that puts higher priority on being funny or sarcastic than actual source-checking and dispassionate reporting on facts.

    33. 07-07-2012 12:35 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Well.. it might be better form to post a link to the original article (Dan's WSJ link) than to a site trying to use the other journalist's article for their own purpose (to which I have no idea what it would be other than to increase click traffic).
      Did you read Matt's article? It wasn't just a copy of Dan's review, it was more about *why* Jalopnik is critical of Tesla and it's a good read, IMO, a better read than Dan's review, to be honest.
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    35. 07-07-2012 12:38 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by warren_s View Post
      Okay, but Jalopnik isn't "journalism", it's a blog that puts higher priority on being funny or sarcastic than actual source-checking and dispassionate reporting on facts.
      So then this is the "Blog Critique Lounge?" Whatever your opinion may be, my point is the same.
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