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    Thread: Ross-Tech, I'm stumped 17551 - Load Calculation Cross Check: Upper Limit Exceeded

    1. Member FuturaYell00's Avatar
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      07-07-2012 10:48 PM #1
      I will start from the beginning. 2000 VR6 GTI 150k miles. I had no prior codes/CEL until a couple of weeks ago after some maintenance. Two weeks ago, I replaced my chains, guides, clutch, and front bearings, wires, and plugs. Coil pack is in great shape (replaced a couple years back) While I was in there, I removed my upper intake (obviously to get to the chains) and I removed my Throttle body to give it a nice cleaning. I cleaned all connections while I was in there as well. I realized I needed to do a TBA before I started the car, so I bought my $100 license and used basic settings to perform a TBA once the car was put back together.

      After about a week I started getting this code:17551 - Load Calculation Cross Check: Upper Limit Exceeded

      I performed the TBA a few more times, bought a new filter for my short ram intakeI, I have had the intake for 8 years, with no problems. The code kept coming back, so I bought a brand new Bosch MAF. After about 4 fresh starts after clearing the code again..... ITS BACK.

      One thing I thought was odd, but perhaps its normal is that when I wedge something onto the pedal, the rpms don't stay constant, they jump around a range of about 200 rpms, sometimes staying a bit more constant than others. I have sprayed hoses and intake area with carb cleaner looking for change in idle, nothin... So what could it possibly be?

      Here are some values I ran, but I don't know if they are irregular, and what the fix would be if they are.

      Group 060: TVS 1 (10.9%) TVS 2 (89.1%) Throttle adaptation steps counter (9) (ADP run OK)

      Group 020 engine running: 680rpm Engine load (23.3%) Injection timing (3.69ms) MassAirFlow (4.83g/s)

      Here is the full auto-scan. Thanks for any and all help.

      VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.1
      Saturday, 07 July 2012, 18:13:21:16971


      Chassis Type: 1J - VW Golf/Bora IV
      Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,16,17,19,22,29,35,36,37,39,46,47,55 ,56,57,75,76

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 01: Engine Labels: 021-906-018-AFP.LBL
      Controller: 021 906 018 M
      Component: MOTRONIC ME7.1 G V04
      Coding: 00031
      Shop #: WSC 01316
      VCID: 184309286B9D
      1 Fault Found:
      17551 - Load Calculation Cross Check: Upper Limit Exceeded
      P1143 - 35-00 - -
      Readiness: 0000 0000

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1J0-907-37x-ABS.LBL
      Controller: 1J0 907 379 R
      Component: ASR 20 IE CAN 0001
      Coding: 13204
      Shop #: WSC 01316
      VCID: 40F38148538D
      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3Bx-907-044.LBL
      Controller: 3B1 907 044 B
      Component: CLIMATRONIC V 1.0.0
      Coding: 01000
      Shop #: WSC 01316
      VCID: 203321C8B3CD
      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
      Controller: 6Q0 909 605 A
      Component: 09 AIRBAG VW5 0003
      Coding: 12345
      Shop #: WSC 01316
      VCID: 351DE09C1C4F
      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1J0-920-xx0-17.LBL
      Controller: 1J0 920 920 D
      Component: A4-KOMBIINSTR. VDO V16
      Coding: 07262
      Shop #: WSC 01316
      VCID: 253D30DCACEF
      IMMO-IDENTNR: VWZ7Z0X1699963
      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
      Controller: 6N0 909 901
      Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
      Coding: 00006
      Shop #: WSC 01316
      VCID: F0939188A3AD
      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1J0-959-799.LBL
      Controller: 1J0 959 799 AJ
      Component: 62 Zentral-SG Komf. 0001
      Coding: 00256
      Shop #: WSC 01316
      VCID: 867FD750B129
      2 Faults Found:
      01358 - Internal Central Locking Switch; Driver Side (E150)
      27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
      00913 - Window Regulator Switch; Front Right Driver (E81)
      27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

      End --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------VCDS-
      Last edited by FuturaYell00; 07-07-2012 at 11:46 PM.

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      07-08-2012 01:12 AM #2
      check and post your fuel trims(mvb 32) after fault has occured

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      07-09-2012 08:59 PM #3
      Any Help appreciated. It just keeps getting worse. Here are the latest codes AFTER replacing the MAF with a Brand new Bosch one.

      Measuring blocks 32:
      Adaptation (Idle) Bank 1 Sensor 1 = (-0.6%)
      Adaptation (Partial) Bank 1 Sensor 1 =(-6.3%)

      Here are the latest codes. Car ran great for a week after all the work. Now it seems to be running a bit rough.

      Monday, 09 July 2012, 16:47:40:16971

      VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.1

      Control Module Part Number: 021 906 018 M

      Component and/or Version: MOTRONIC ME7.1 G V04

      Software Coding: 00031

      Work Shop Code: WSC 01316

      VCID: 184309286B9D

      3 Faults Found:

      16497 - Intake Air Temp. Sensor (G42): Signal too High

      P0113 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent

      16486 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70): Signal too Low

      P0102 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent

      17551 - Load Calculation Cross Check: Upper Limit Exceeded

      P1143 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent

    4. 07-09-2012 11:22 PM #4
      THIS POST MOVED/VACATED BY JACK TO PROTECT CONTENT FALLING INTO THE GAPING HOLE OF THE VORTEX

      IT SEEMS NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoySOGlZ_U
      Last edited by Jack@European Parts; 07-29-2014 at 10:47 PM.

    5. Member FuturaYell00's Avatar
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      07-09-2012 11:43 PM #5
      I hear you loud and clear, but it seems odd the new MAF would be bad. Bought brand new Bosch from MJM. As far as the timing, the car ran great for a little over a week 1000+ miles with no codes thrown. Cam lock tool was used and intermediate shafts were lined up correctly, checked by myself and 1 other mechanic to confirm correct place.

      Could the 17551 code be from a a bad TB or TPS if either was damaged while cleaning?
      How do these codes indicate that the timing is retarded?
      Also what indicates the wrong bulbs or brake light switch?
      Last edited by FuturaYell00; 07-09-2012 at 11:58 PM.

    6. 07-10-2012 12:31 AM #6
      THIS POST MOVED/VACATED BY JACK TO PROTECT CONTENT FALLING INTO THE GAPING HOLE OF THE VORTEX

      IT SEEMS NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoySOGlZ_U
      Last edited by Jack@European Parts; 07-29-2014 at 10:47 PM.

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      07-10-2012 12:51 AM #7


      Email sent.
      Last edited by FuturaYell00; 07-10-2012 at 01:20 AM.

    8. 07-10-2012 01:10 AM #8
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      You sir,.... have a BOSCH clone!

      Nite.

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      07-10-2012 11:01 AM #9
      Need a new mass OEM. Have seen all mass be bad right out of the box. So you will no be the first.
      Good Luck

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      07-10-2012 02:18 PM #10
      17551/P1143/004419 - Load Calculation Cross Check: Upper Limit Exceeded
      Possible Solutions
      Check Mass Air Flow Sensors (G70)
      Check Throttle Pedal
      Check Throttle Pedal Position Sensor (G79)
      Check Throttle Pedal Position Sensor 2 (G185)
      Check Throttle Body
      Check Angle Sensor 1 for Throttle Actuator (G187)
      Check Angle Sensor 2 for Throttle Actuator (G188)
      Check Engine Control Unit

      If that is a bosch clone mass meter, then that will be your problem..

      I've had many cheap mass meters and they don't last long so i got a genuine bosch one, it was a re-manufactured one and the box had the bosch holograms on it.
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    11. 07-11-2012 05:51 AM #11
      Cloned re-manufactured parts should be considered terrorism here.

      STOP FOD!
      Give before it hurts!

      http://www.fodcontrol.com/foreign-object-damage.html

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      10-12-2012 03:15 PM #12
      I'm curious for any more help on this matter. I'm dealing with the same problem after years of no MIL on after recently cleaning my throttle body. Really sucks
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      10-12-2012 03:34 PM #13
      Months later, my MIL comes and goes, it even goes off for periods over 1000 miles then it randomly comes back. It's a total mystery to me, I still don't know whats causing it. Hopefully someone else can chime in with some more help...

    14. 10-12-2012 05:18 PM #14
      THIS POST MOVED/VACATED BY JACK TO PROTECT CONTENT FALLING INTO THE GAPING HOLE OF THE VORTEX

      IT SEEMS NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoySOGlZ_U
      Last edited by Jack@European Parts; 07-29-2014 at 10:48 PM.

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      10-13-2012 09:18 AM #15
      What firmware update? For what? How do you reverse a vacuum line? There are so few to begin with. Ill start with replacing vacuum lines as that seems most likely in my case.
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