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      07-16-2012 10:52 AM #36
      That's a heck of a project on that SL, are you doing the complete engine harness? This whole thread brings back fond memories of me driving my grandfather's old 1992 500SEL. I love the W140

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      07-16-2012 12:59 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by BagelConsultant View Post
      That's a heck of a project on that SL, are you doing the complete engine harness? This whole thread brings back fond memories of me driving my grandfather's old 1992 500SEL. I love the W140
      Yes, yes, it is one heck of a project to say the least. These cars (M120 V12 powered R129 and W140) have four engine harnesses. One for each MAF, one for each throttle body (and the electronic actuators), an upper harness that controls the injectors, and a lower harness. The MAF harnesses run into the two main engine bay harnesses.

      Why am I replacing it all? Because MB built the wiring using a biodegradable soybean coating. Simply put, the insulation on most of my wires decided it was time to disintegrate which caused the car to run poorly. I was having a little overheating trouble before it went in for paint, but I think the furnace at the paint shop put the kiss of death on things. When I got the car back last week it would barely run, idle rough, made no power, and was generally pretty upset.

      I do apologize for the lack of narrative on my part. I was busy over on Benzworld posting up progress in more detail than on here. I have a few more pictures to upload which I will get busy with soon.

      The W140s are wonderful cars, as well as the 129s. Especially in with the V12. It is a very mixed blessing though because once you drive a V12, none of the other engines come close to feeling as "right" for the cars.
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      07-16-2012 01:07 PM #38
      I did get the remainder of the drivers side harness removed last night. All in all it took me about 5-7 hours of work. Not too bad considering this was my first time embarking on such a massive project on a 129 600.

      I managed to find a person that rebuilds the throttle body wiring for about $500 per set, which is much better than the $7-8k that MB charges for new ones.

      There really weren't any major hang ups thus far with the procedure (thankfully). I am now going about removing the aftermarket Kenncrap radio from the car. I am going to install a stock Bose system (if I even deem that necessary).

      One of my main goals with this SL is to get it down to a curb weight similar to my E55--around 1700-1800kgs. Suggested curb weight for these cars is about 2000kgs. The RENNtech suspension bits, as well as BBK in the front, do help lower that a bit. I have not weighed the car yet. I am going to replace all the stock engine wiring before I start weighing. I'll just bundle the radio up and toss it in the trunk when the time comes to get a number.

      More pictures from removing the last part of the wiring.
















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      07-16-2012 01:49 PM #40
      Dat wiring

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      07-16-2012 01:53 PM #41
      Impressive thread is impressive.

      I'd look at that wiring situation for a few minutes and give up.


      Let's see that 456!
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      07-16-2012 06:12 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Wanganrunner View Post
      Impressive thread is impressive.

      I'd look at that wiring situation for a few minutes and give up.


      Let's see that 456!

      As requested I took these this a while back after my huge spring cleaning. I spent about 130 hours detailing this thing in and out up and down.







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      07-16-2012 06:15 PM #43
      screw the cars - how is that full swing golf simulator working out?
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      07-16-2012 06:26 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by rich! View Post
      screw the cars - how is that full swing golf simulator working out?
      Hahah finally someone who asks about the other toys in the shop! It's fantastic. I'll take some pictures of it later. It's call "full swing golf" (http://www.fullswinggolf.com). It is a blast for winter here as well as summer when it's 35C outside. The graphics are fairly decent as well. It's never needed work surprisingly. The only computer run machine I have that hasn't screwed up--yet.
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      07-16-2012 06:30 PM #45
      Found some old pictures of my S74 just before the buyer picked it up from me.

      The specs:

      Based on a 1992 600sel

      ~5200lbs

      576hp 598lbs.ft/tq from a 7.4L RENNtech M120 V12

      0-60mph ~4.4-4.7 seconds (depended on launch, fuel, passengers)

      Top speed (est) 198mph; fastest I had it was pretty darn close to that

      Fuel economy in city 6-9mpg; on highway 10-11mpg


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      20% tint all around except windshield

      Eisenmann race muffler with resonator delete (about 103-105db at full throttle)

      Hardwired hidden radar detectors behind front and rear bumpers

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      Some custom paintwork done on rockers, tail lights, etc

      Bilstein Sport shocks with H&R lowering springs

      Pieced together my own emblems for hood and trunk

      Twin electronic fans replacing stock belt driven fan

      OS Giken (RENNtech installed and built) LSD

      Limiter removed on auxiliary fans so they were running full speed when on

















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      07-16-2012 07:35 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by MB_Fahrer View Post

      0-60mph ~4.4-4.7 seconds (depended on launch, fuel, passengers)



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      07-16-2012 07:40 PM #47
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      07-16-2012 07:41 PM #48
      Leave it to me to leave out the most important facts... The S74 is based on a 1992 600sel chassis. It also has a RENNtech (OS Giken) LSD--near 100% lock.
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      07-16-2012 07:49 PM #49
      Well holy ****. Beautiful thread. In for much much more.
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      07-16-2012 07:50 PM #50
      OK this thread is just full of awesomeness. Following an insane build and then some ridiculous cars. The numbers on that S74 are impressive, to say the least.

      Keep this stuff coming! Thanks!

      The hardwired radar dectors: was the detector display integrated into the dash? I've always wondered about a setup like this.
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      07-16-2012 09:22 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Der Audidude View Post
      OK this thread is just full of awesomeness. Following an insane build and then some ridiculous cars. The numbers on that S74 are impressive, to say the least.

      Keep this stuff coming! Thanks!

      The hardwired radar dectors: was the detector display integrated into the dash? I've always wondered about a setup like this.

      Thanks! I will keep the pictures coming on a regular basis. I have thousands of pictures on various computers--it's hard work going through them and deciding what to post up next.

      The radar detector display was "hidden" down by my knees next to the transmission tunnel (down to the right and beneath the steering wheel). You can see it in the picture showing the drivers seat area.

      It's one thing reading about the S74, but another to experience it. Crazy, crazy car. It handled well too. The Bilstein Sports and H&R springs coupled with the fairly wide tires made for one heck of a ride. It handled more like an E46 M3 than a 5200lb whale. I'm still not quite sure how on earth I managed to pull it off as well as I did.

      One of these days I'll have another. This time though I'd like a CL7x AMG (they made CL70, 72, and 73 AMGs). I have always had a secret admiration for the AMG CL's. Once I drove a coupe W140, it really made me think that they designed it that way first, then decided to make the sedan W140. The W140 is great, but the C140 is rolling perfection. Something like this:

      These are badged as S7x cars which merely stands for S-Class coupe which is the same as a CL-Class. The gentleman that owns both of these is a member on one of my Mercedes forums. He has quite a massive collection of AMG cars from the 80s and 90s.



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      07-16-2012 09:37 PM #52
      Wow man really great work. I don't know how i missed your thread. I could tell your 360 had some custom fiberglass bodywork. The 360 will be a lot of fun for you on the track, enjoy. I'll be keeping an eye on your thread

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      Wow man really great work. I don't know how i missed your thread. I could tell your 360 had some custom fiberglass bodywork. The 360 will be a lot of fun for you on the track, enjoy. I'll be keeping an eye on your thread
      Thank you! Nice to hear another person will be keeping an eye and engaging in the thread!
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      07-16-2012 09:47 PM #55
      Here are a couple of teaser shots of my F360 race car. It is currently in the paint shop, but should be finished next month with some luck.









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      07-17-2012 10:49 AM #57
      This is truly awesome stuff. Can you share some info on the E36s in the background of some of the shots on page 1?

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      07-17-2012 12:07 PM #58
      This thread was already amazing... and then you post the 360 race car.

      Thanks for letting us regular schmucks live vicariously through you.

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      07-20-2012 03:40 PM #59
      So for us mere mortals who want an R129 V8 (500SL/SL500) should we just avoid the years with the crappy wiring?

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      07-22-2012 04:17 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by BagelConsultant View Post
      So for us mere mortals who want an R129 V8 (500SL/SL500) should we just avoid the years with the crappy wiring?
      Yes, avoid basically all Mercedes products made from 1990 through the end of 1994. A handful of the 1995's had problems with the wiring, but not enough to warrant them as faulty. By 1996 it was completely cured. Generally only the S-Class, S-Class coupe, and SL-Class had problems with the wiring, but even some of the E-Class's wind up with wiring problems.

      I had a 1999 SL500 for a couple years, it was a fantastic car. Great car to work your way into the Mercedes marque. Step up to a 600 in a few years though, they are worth it. The maintenance cost between a well sorted 600 and a well sorted 500 is fairly similar. Also, don't buy into the "my SL500 is just as fast as an SL600 malarky. The SL500 is probably as fast from 0-35mph but beyond that the SL600s walk away from the 500s. Same goes for the S-Class and CL-Class.

      If you want the AMG bodykit and wheels, the cheapest way to do that is to buy an SL500/600 with a factory sport package. If purchased separately, it will cost about $10-12k including wheels. You can find decent SL's with the sport package for between $9k-18k depending on year and miles.
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      This is truly awesome stuff. Can you share some info on the E36s in the background of some of the shots on page 1?
      Of course! I'll elaborate more at a laster date when I have time to take more pictures--the SL is keeping me quite busy right now.

      After I quite junior drag racing, I got into autocross with E36 M3s--found autocross to be a bore fairly quickly, so I got into road racing.

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      The white M3 in the background is one of my other drivers cars. He used to use it as a DD, but now uses his Acura. We just got done rebuilding the engine on his M3. It's now running 273whp.

      I've also got a 1997 M3 that is used as a trainer car, and a 1993 328is that is the next step up from the '97 M3.

      All of the BMWs (minus the '97 M3) have Stoptech front and rear BBKs, AST 4200 (or the new 4150), SPAL fans, full roll cages, and just about every other part you can find on Turner or Bimmerworld.
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      07-22-2012 04:35 PM #63
      More progress on the SL. The harnesses wound up costing about what I figured--a lot.

      I'll just post up pictures without much in the way of commentary for now, as I'm short on time.

      I managed to find a set of Bilstein B6 shocks in Germany that I'll use in conjunction with H&R lowering springs to replace of the ADS system. Removing all the hydraulic lines is a complete PITA.

      Reinstalling the harness is much easier than removal simply because I now know where the wires go. I've spent about 30-40 hours on it so far.

      Pictures for now, I'll be back with more soon and a better explanation.











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      07-22-2012 10:15 PM #64
      This is the driver side and upper harnesses back installed. I'm waiting on the throttle bodies, MAFs, passenger harness, and lower harness to arrive.



      Removing the ADS system from the car slowly but surely. I am waiting on Bilstein B6 shocks and H&R springs from Germany.


      RENNtech exhaust from the headers back. Sport cats, resonator delete, and muffler. Sounds great, but I'm ditching the cats in favor of 100cel race cats.


      Quite a bit of hydraulic fluid. I actually did mop some of it up--left the rest for my cleaning crew.



      Took a picture of my E55 in the new shop at the dealership.
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      07-22-2012 10:54 PM #65
      I never really wanted one before but this secures the fact that I have no interest in a Mercedes V12.

      It's really cool that you take the time to take pictures to document and share your work. Even on TCL we never get a chance to see what it's like a in a high-end specialty shop. So thanks.

      Also I may be wrong but in this picture it looks like the rear wheels have the tires mounted backwards.

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      Well I finally got the monoblocks on the E55. Here's a couple pictures I snapped earlier today:

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      09-02-2012 12:47 AM #67
      Stock wheels look leagues better on the E55!.
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      The SL600 is finally coming back together. The Bilstein B6's took forever to get here from Germany--completely worth the weight though. They are amazing shocks. Very stiff ride with the H&R springs. Should actually have some decent handling after I'm done with it. Shipping it off to MB Westminster to have Mike give everything a once over after all the wiring work. Should be drivable in the next two weeks. I'll post a video up when it is. Wheels wise, I think 17-18x10 front and 11 rears should work just fine. The 8/9.5 wheels on it now are far too sunken in. Not to mention only having 255's on the rear. I'd like to run a 295 front and 305 rear. That should help quite a bit. We'll see.









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      10-27-2012 02:13 PM #69
      My latest toy; an '89 560sec AMG 6.0L with 121k on the clock. It dyno'd 247rwhp and 287rwtq which is right where it should be. Needs a little TLC, but a killer deal for what I paid. Awesome car. I can't wait to take it over the mountains and see just how fast it will go. Should be a 180mph car from what I remember. Maybe closer to 190mph down near sea level.













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      10-27-2012 03:54 PM #70
      Awesome thread
      I like cars.

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