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    1. 07-09-2012 12:27 PM #1
      Jeep Grand Cheroke fails

      http://www.teknikensvarld.se/jeepmoosetest/

      Well thats not good.

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      07-09-2012 12:29 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by nilocs View Post
      Jeep Grand Cheroke fails

      http://www.teknikensvarld.se/jeepmoosetest/

      Well thats not good.
      Misleading title is misleading ... hell, the driver self-corrected ... yawn.

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      07-09-2012 12:30 PM #3
      This just in. SUV's do not handle like cars.
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      07-09-2012 12:36 PM #4
      Read article. All other SUVs did fine, old Cherokee did fine, this new one flips at 40mph - 60km/hr - not even highway speeds. That's completely unacceptable. Think about it - you drive that fast in some res areas.

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      07-09-2012 12:37 PM #5
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    6. 07-09-2012 12:44 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      Misleading title is misleading ... hell, the driver self-corrected ... yawn.
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      Not sure what your point is.

      In the real world...
      Soccer Mom going 60+ mph down the interstate swerves to avoid an obstacle or another car..
      the "anti rollover system" according to this test would not be effective.

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      07-09-2012 12:46 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      Misleading title is misleading ... hell, the driver self-corrected ... yawn.
      The number of drivers (outside of TCL) who would have stopped it from rolling in the real world is infinitesimally small.

    8. 07-09-2012 12:49 PM #8
      Statement from Chrysler Group:

      Chrysler Group engineers are investigating a Swedish magazine’s evaluation of the 2012 Grand Cherokee. During the evaluation, the publication was able to capture images of a Grand Cherokee on two wheels as it performed an extreme maneuver in an overloaded condition.

      Advised of this event by the magazine, Chrysler Group engineers made numerous attempts to reproduce the wheel-lift in a properly loaded vehicle. Extensive testing produced no such result.

      A subsequent evaluation was conducted by the magazine July 8 in Sweden and witnessed by Chrysler Group engineers. Three vehicles performed 11 runs on a course prepared by the magazine. None reproduced the original event.

      The uncharacteristic result was obtained using a vehicle loaded beyond its weight specifications. The Grand Cherokee’s weight limitations are clearly stated on the vehicle and in the owner’s manual.

      Also, the extreme maneuver performed by the magazine is not certified by any regulatory agency, nor is it used to establish any sanctioned safety ratings.

      Chrysler Group takes seriously any safety concerns and engineers are examining the event to better understand the magazine’s claims.

      A “Top Safety Pick” of the U.S. Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the 2012 Grand Cherokee is an award-winning SUV that features Electronic Stability Control and Electronic Roll Mitigation as standard equipment. It meets or exceeds all government safety mandates and its outstanding performance has made it the most awarded SUV in history.

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      07-09-2012 12:49 PM #9
      They made a mistake exporting these death machines.

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      07-09-2012 12:49 PM #10
      Chrysler SUV drives like poop? Hardly newsworthy.

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      07-09-2012 12:49 PM #11
      Impressed the old dude kept it on 4 tires and avoided the camera gear in the end.

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      07-09-2012 12:52 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Khyron View Post
      Read article. All other SUVs did fine, old Cherokee did fine, this new one flips at 40mph - 60km/hr - not even highway speeds. That's completely unacceptable. Think about it - you drive that fast in some res areas.
      Read article. It didn't flip.

      The test driver really jerked that thing around. Solution: Hit the moose.

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      07-09-2012 12:53 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by nilocs View Post
      Professional Driver on a closed circuit.
      Not sure what your point is.

      In the real world...
      Soccer Mom going 60+ mph down the interstate swerves to avoid an obstacle or another car..
      the "anti rollover system" according to this test would not be effective.
      The moose test is relevant in Scandanavia, but that's just about it. Any smaller animal, you're far better off hitting it than trying to avoid it. Beyond that, the scenario is specifically mimicking avoiding an animal in the roadway that you absolutely cannot hit. I don't think it's realistic or representative of any scenario besides the one it's explicitly named after. If you're cranking the wheel that hard to avoid another vehicle or a road hazard, you suck at defensive driving.

      Also, this:

      A subsequent evaluation was conducted by the magazine July 8 in Sweden and witnessed by Chrysler Group engineers. Three vehicles performed 11 runs on a course prepared by the magazine. None reproduced the original event.

      The uncharacteristic result was obtained using a vehicle loaded beyond its weight specifications. The Grand Cherokee’s weight limitations are clearly stated on the vehicle and in the owner’s manual.
      I, for one, am shocked that a vehicle loaded over GWVR displayed adverse reactions when subjected to a bizarrely extreme avoidance maneuver.

      In an experiment, you test on the basis of one changed variable. Not two. Teknikens Varld is testing vehicles irresponsibly.
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      07-09-2012 12:53 PM #14
      Doesn't the current Grand Cherokee share its chassis with the last generation Mercedes ML? Did they Moose-Test that? I didn't see any mention of it, I'd think they'd make a pretty big deal about it if they did.
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      07-09-2012 12:56 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by driveareliablecar View Post
      They made a mistake exporting these death machines.
      You made a mistake posting. That's okay, though, we forgive you.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Man View Post
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      07-09-2012 12:56 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by nilocs View Post
      Professional Driver on a closed circuit.
      Not sure what your point is.

      In the real world...
      Soccer Mom going 60+ mph down the interstate screams, lets go of the wheel and maybe hits the brakes. the "anti rollover system" according to this test would not be effective.
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      07-09-2012 12:59 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Khyron View Post
      Read article. All other SUVs did fine, old Cherokee did fine, this new one flips at 40mph - 60km/hr - not even highway speeds. That's completely unacceptable. Think about it - you drive that fast in some res areas.
      Yup. That is the point of the test.

      Also if you watch the article the announcer pins most of it on the 20" wheels and tires.

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      07-09-2012 01:00 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      I, for one, am shocked that a vehicle loaded over GWVR displayed adverse reactions when subjected to a bizarrely extreme avoidance maneuver.

      In an experiment, you test on the basis of one changed variable. Not two. Teknikens Varld is testing vehicles irresponsibly.
      Please. The next thing you'll tell me is that a news program will set up a truck to puncture it's gas tanks in a rigged crash test for sensationalistic reasons.

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      07-09-2012 01:01 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by zane! View Post
      Chrysler SUV drives like poop? Hardly newsworthy.
      Reading comprehension. Try it, two posts up from yours. Improperly (over)loaded vehicles handle unpredictably and outside of their engineered capabilites. More News at 11.

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      07-09-2012 01:01 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by air and water do mix View Post
      please. The next thing you'll tell me is that a news program will set up a truck to puncture it's gas tanks in a rigged crash test for sensationalistic reasons.

      nawwww never happen
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      07-09-2012 01:02 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by zane! View Post
      Chrysler SUV drives like poop? Hardly newsworthy.
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      07-09-2012 01:04 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Aonarch View Post
      Yup. That is the point of the test.

      Also if you watch the article the announcer pins most of it on the 20" wheels and tires.
      Of course he does. Otherwise, you might notice that the car is being driven outside the manufacturer's recommended parameters.
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      07-09-2012 01:06 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      The moose test is relevant in Scandanavia, but that's just about it. Any smaller animal, you're far better off hitting it than trying to avoid it. Beyond that, the scenario is specifically mimicking avoiding an animal in the roadway that you absolutely cannot hit. I don't think it's realistic or representative of any scenario besides the one it's explicitly named after. If you're cranking the wheel that hard to avoid another vehicle or a road hazard, you suck at defensive driving.

      Also, this:



      I, for one, am shocked that a vehicle loaded over GWVR displayed adverse reactions when subjected to a bizarrely extreme avoidance maneuver.

      In an experiment, you test on the basis of one changed variable. Not two. Teknikens Varld is testing vehicles irresponsibly.
      Shhh, Turbio. Don't introduce facts and logic into an argument against a Chrysler/Jeep vehicle. Or any vehicle, for that matter.
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      07-09-2012 01:08 PM #24
      Don't ever been as far to has gone want to be more like 20" Rimz or bigger or you could swerve moose and dead until she tropper has sideburns finds you rolled over.

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      07-09-2012 01:09 PM #25
      Overloaded Jeep, didn't hit the brakes, I doubt many drivers will find themselves in the same situation.
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      07-09-2012 01:09 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      The moose test is relevant in Scandanavia,
      I would have thought it's very relevant in Canada, Finland and Russia too ...

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      07-09-2012 01:11 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Khyron View Post
      Read article. All other SUVs did fine, old Cherokee did fine, this new one flips at 40mph - 60km/hr - not even highway speeds. That's completely unacceptable. Think about it - you drive that fast in some res areas.
      Even TV weren't manipulating the results by overloading the Jeep, one wouldn't use the moose avoidance maneuver in a residential area for any reason. You'd do the classic "threshold brake and avoidance turn" maneuver that every good driving school drills into you.
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      07-09-2012 01:12 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Galrot View Post
      I would have thought it's very relevant in Canada, Finland and Russia too ...
      My statement wasn't necessarily exclusive, so let's not get too caught up in the semantics.
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    29. 07-09-2012 01:16 PM #29
      Those saying they doubt drivers will find themselves in the same situation, how do you know that for a fact? **** happens and that's what ESC is for: to keep the vehicle in control during as many avoidance maneuvers as possible. That test is well within the limits of ESC and at a fairly moderate speed and so a vehicle equipped with ESC shouldn't be that close to rolling in such a situation. And apparently the Grand Cherokee isn't when not overloaded past spec like these testers at the Swedish magazine did.

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      07-09-2012 01:18 PM #30
      Haha, what an article title. So one of their test driver's died during the test, right? Ugh.

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      07-09-2012 01:22 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam144 View Post
      Don't ever been as far to has gone want to be more like 20" Rimz or bigger or you could swerve moose and dead until she tropper has sideburns finds you rolled over.
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      07-09-2012 01:23 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      I, for one, am shocked that a vehicle loaded over GWVR displayed adverse reactions when subjected to a bizarrely extreme avoidance maneuver.
      Are you being sarcastic or serious? How many people who drive a car actually know that there is a load recommendation? When youre heavily loaded, everything becomes a deadly situation.

    33. 07-09-2012 01:27 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam144 View Post
      Don't ever been as far to has gone want to be more like 20" Rimz or bigger or you could swerve moose and dead until she tropper has sideburns finds you rolled over.


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      07-09-2012 01:33 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by MCTB View Post
      Are you being sarcastic or serious? How many people who drive a car actually know that there is a load recommendation? When youre heavily loaded, everything becomes a deadly situation.
      Nope, only Chrysler products. I read it online and it was written by Europeans. Fact.
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      07-09-2012 01:35 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      Oh, look, the car lounge is being the car lounge again.
      Teh internets is srz business today.

      It was a joke.

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