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  1. 07-09-2012 08:55 PM #1
    OK next I will be building my 2.0 16v engine . I have a perfect running 1.8 16v in the car but have obtained a 2.0 ABA engine to do the mods with . I also have a extra 2.0 16v head and intake to play with .

    Question is how can I obtain a 265 HP nat aspirated engine that I may be able to turn into a turbo motor in the future . So I may have to reduce compression with head gasket.

    What is needed to use the 2.0 block to mate to the 16v head?
    I will order new pistons and billet rods . Any sugestion???
    Head will be ported and polished with unshrouded valves and heavy duty springs.
    What cams would be good for mid to top end pulling and still be a good candidate for turbo?
    I will use the stock forged crank out of the 2.0 and have it knife edged. By SCCH.
    Who can I get the best water pump,Gasskets set, Acces from???
    I also want to clean up the engine bay with a new EFI obd2 wide band that I can upgrade with TT chips or custom tune ? Im not to familure with swaping out EFI units and still having everything else work !


    I'm sure I'm missing some other questions and details . I would really apreaciate any help or input and experience someone may have.


    Anybody havee any good cams for sale, long tube headers or turbo kit, Im also looking for a close ration tranny 2Y or something close to that.

    Keep in mind this car wwill be rarely driven on the street but mainy built for Autocross/NASA racing..

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    07-09-2012 10:23 PM #2
    all i have to say is that 265hp isnt going to happen naturally aspirated.

    theres a couple people on here with around 200-220 iirc.
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    07-09-2012 11:04 PM #3
    Quote Originally Posted by fundmc View Post
    all i have to say is that 265hp isnt going to happen naturally aspirated.

    theres a couple people on here with around 200-220 iirc.

    it is theoretically quite possible, but would take a rather deft hand i would assume. one would require a firm grasp on the inner workings of the internal combustion engine to do so, and naturally aspirated is the hard way, but its doable. wasnt there a drake 8v with some pretty high numbers? if that kind of work was put into a 16v im sure the power possibilities are pretty high, but cost prohibitive.
    ...but then again, i do drive a festiva

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  4. 07-09-2012 11:07 PM #4
    Quote Originally Posted by fundmc View Post
    all i have to say is that 265hp isnt going to happen naturally aspirated.

    theres a couple people on here with around 200-220 iirc.
    I wasnt sure what the true numbers would be but I saw a claimed 265 hp you tube video that the engine sounds really good . I'm new to VW but I have to say I cant wait to get my Scirocco racee ready as my Golf

  5. 07-09-2012 11:07 PM #5
    here is a start >>>>

    MkIII 2.0L ABA 16V Head Conversion



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    Watch out normally aspirated VR6's, VR6-T and up-rated 1.8T's The 2.0 Slow might just blow your doors off! Until now, the 16V head conversion for the ABA motor (MKIII 2.0L) was an elusive project. Most people know that the 16V head is a much better higher flowing unit than the stock MKIII 8V cross flow head. Volkswagen even gave the market a sample taste of this with the ABF 2.0L 16V motor. This was a Europe only option that made almost as much power as the VR6 in normally aspirated form. Well, we at BBM are so excited by the capability of this combination that we have decided to simplify the process for you. This integration includes all of the primary pieces you will need to complete this puzzle. You will need to supply a complete 16V head assembly (including intake / exhaust manifolds, and distributor) the ABA bottom end and a few gaskets. Here is what you get: BBM Dizzy Gizzy and Modified Intermediate Shaft Pulley This is the easiest and the most cost effective way to run the oil pump in these motors. Until we created the Dizzy Gizzy, the only option was to source a complete intermediate shaft, drive gears, distributor block off and oil pump from a 16V bottom end. This meant that you needed to source a complete 16V engine. Have you seen what it costs to ship an entire engine these days? You not only potentially save money on shipping you also save labor by not having to drop the oil pan and install a 16V oil pump. BBM Modified ABA Crank Pulley Precision machined to the correct offset with a hub concentric collar installed. This compensates for the wider timing belt gears and belt. All of your factory accessories will line up perfectly. BBM Fuel Rail, FPR Adapter, and Injector Cups This is the best way to provide the proper fuel delivery for this conversion. This makes using the OEM style injectors and Fuel Pressure Regulator a direct bolt on. ABF / 16V Timing Belt This timing belt is the perfect fit and length for the conversion. Coolant Hoses and Flange Keeping with the theme of this kit, BBM has taken yet another step in making this even easier for you by figuring out what coolant hoses you will need. All of the required coolant hoses are included for this head conversion, along with the required flange for the head. Now that you know what you need to do to convert your 2.0L ABA motor into a 16V, let's go over the options you have to start making some serious power. Normally Aspirated Just add a set of ABF Pistons to the mix (in the related parts list) and you are on well on your way to VR6 power. These pistons are the standard bore. You can hone and drop them in without even removing the engine. Be sure to check that your piston skirt to cylinder wall clearance is still within specifications. These pistons will up your compression ratio to around 10.5:1, which is the same as the European 16V 2.0L ABF motor. These European only motors are known for being a viable VR6 competitor. There are also plenty of other N/A modifications you can do at this point: header, camshaft set, and port & polish are only scraping the surface of all motor maximum power! Supercharged / Turbocharged The ABA 2.0L / 16V motor is the ultimate forced induction candidate. Using stock pistons, it makes a very boost friendly 8.5:1 compression ratio. This is right where you want to be in a forced induction situation. Throw our proven MKIII 2.0L Supercharger kit into the mix and you are looking at the capability of making over 290+ bhp. That power along with the massive amount of useable supercharged torque means that this setup will keep a smile planted on your face for quite some time. The ABA 2.0L / 16V is also a great candidate for Turbocharger applications. BBM turbo related parts specifically for use with this 16V head conversion. Based on the proven Garrett T3/T4 turbo, this set up is the most cost effective way to see 350+ bhp over any VW water cooled engine platform or swap. If you want a broad and usable torque curve that hits right off throttle, then go with our Lysholm supercharger. Just keep in mind that you can still beat turbo cars running our Supercharger kit with far less peak horse power, both are a blast to drive. Did we get your attention yet? give us a call or buy online it's time to get your 2.0 up to speed and back in the game!



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    This is a discounted parts package, Saves you about $250 bucks

    16V Turbo engine example as shown not included.









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    BBM Forged Piston Set, 2.0L ABA, 83mm Bore, Std. CR - Add $649.00

    Billet Block Off Plate, ABA and Late 9A - Add $65.99

    Complete Head Gasket Set - 2.0L 16v - Add $129.95

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  6. 07-09-2012 11:12 PM #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley Brown View Post
    I wasnt sure what the true numbers would be but I saw a claimed 265 hp you tube video that the engine sounds really good . I'm new to VW but I have to say I cant wait to get my Scirocco racee ready as my Golf
    Here is the proposed race engine at 265 HP NA . It's in france ..... LOL

    http://youtu.be/qS9b43gsdyE

  7. 07-09-2012 11:24 PM #7
    These guys can do it why can't we ?



    http://www.hurricaneracing.nl/motorenvwNED.htm

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    07-09-2012 11:27 PM #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley Brown View Post
    Here is the proposed race engine at 265 HP NA . It's in france ..... LOL

    http://www.hurricaneracing.nl/

    nl ==> Netherland
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    07-09-2012 11:46 PM #9
    First things first, you would be best served building an engine from the start with the decision made on NA or Turbo. The pistons are going to matter a lot more than head gasket thickness, especially at over 200hp. Why make any compromises in your build?
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  10. 07-10-2012 12:12 AM #10
    Quote Originally Posted by scirocco*joe View Post
    First things first, you would be best served building an engine from the start with the decision made on NA or Turbo. The pistons are going to matter a lot more than head gasket thickness, especially at over 200hp. Why make any compromises in your build?
    I will go with a complete motor build hopefully I wont comprimize the build . I was just woundering if I can get 9:1 and change gasket to get 8:5:1 with stock pistons and gasket . If I go NA I guess I will build it for that and just change the pistons later for boost configuration. unless I find a killer deal for Turbo set up my plan is NA .

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