Also Dan.... Id like to add that you seem to be quite strong with your support for a "loud all the time" exhaust... You moved up to a TTRS from a Dodge Neon.... The Audi has and always will exude a certain level of class and sophistication. People that "typically" own these cars arent looking for a loud and obnoxious sounding car. No offence, but a kid with a loud neon and someone who typically owns a TTRS are two very different kinds of people..... typically. Here we go
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2011 Audi TTS*DensionFive*RNSe*WinterMode(S5'sFlatBlack/MichelinPA3)
2012 TT-RS in Suzuka Gray
FS: Sachs Performance Pressure Plate and Organic / 4-puck disc set for TT RS
The ability to change the acoustic output on a performance vehicle at the touch of a button is absolutely beneficial and adds real value/choice.
Remember when Porche made the crazy move from air-cooled engines to water-cooled engines? That was also controversial, however look at what has transpired over time.
Everyone jammin on my dodge neon, and stating I jumped up from that to the Audi, your blind and ignorant and making assumptions based on what you THINK, and not facts. I represented that video because of the comparison. Could have also been a 79 Charger, a 90s M3, 05 STI, 13 ZL1, 11 135i still loud and badass. I don't care about people who usually do. The people and groups that I run with, they do. Performance is performance and we don't need to quiet it down for the sake of others. Flaunt I if you have it.
Yes I have a highly modified neon... Does it mean this is my first foray into other cars? You all make that assumption to further your opinions, nothing more.
Expensive is subjective to what your paying for and what reason. $2000 isn't a lot of money, but for a cat back system, I'd rather have you blow me. I have more money wasted and tied up in modifications to my cars than my TTRS is worth, money isn't the issue. It's value for the dollar.
On the subject of valves in exhaust by other marquees I was talking about aftermarket manufacturers, not OEM. I have had plenty of systems made for numerouse BMWs, Volvos, Asians, and the domestics and have NEVER once had valves in my systems or even mentioned in the last 15 years. It's a useless gadget in the performance world and only sought out by people in this crowd obviously.
And one last comment... People (for the vast majority) who tend to modify there cars for performance gains could care less about being quiet and civilized. Hence why they modify for power gains to begin with. Just because its a more expensive start, doesn't mean the attitude is any different than a kid who puts a card in his wheel spokes...
Call me a "kid" because I like a loud, mean sounding car.... Wow, yeah, nailed that one didnt you... Or is it because I own a louder, cheaper car.... way to throw millions of people into that group!
Lets try and not make this thread a debate between valved vs. non-valved exhaust systems. To each is their own, everyone has different tastes. We all should consider ourselves lucky that we have a TT-RS in the first place, and that there are so many exhausts systems available for us to choose from.
Borla used my car to develop the TT-RS exhaust, and I have been running it now since mid march, so about 4 months. Alvin and the guys at Borla had my car for almost a month fine tuning this system. It was totally OK with me, I don't daily my TT-RS and I was really exited to see what they could do given more time. Alvin and the guys are very professional, have great customer service - it was an awesome experience.
I LOVE this exhaust. Everyone who here's it is very impressed. If you have never heard a Borla multicore muffler in person - its awesome! This patented technology allows them to really tune the sound/tone and volume of the muffler. They do lots of frequency/decibel testing to get rid of in cabin drone to make sure the exhaust is livable but still has that great sound. Borla made a new muffler specifically for this system - so this is a truly custom and tuned exhaust system made just for the TT-RS by a company who's been specializing in exhausts for more than 30 years.
Typical description of this exhaust is: Surprised at how mean it sounds, great exotic tone, perfect amount of angry raspy noise without being too loud.
They experimented with many many different iterations until they came up with the best design. This exhaust is dual pipes all the way back, and even has beautifully crafted X-Pipe merge. I like the simple dual exhaust to dual muffler design, some of the other TT-RS exhaust systems that are offered seem over complicated. I also love the way this exhaust sits nicely and really hugs up under the car and has the symmetrical dual mufflers that can just barely be seen from the back. You loose the ugly single pipe going over the rear axles that hangs down and is visible from behind.
This exhaust is built 100% with premium austenitic stainless steel inside and out. Some systems claim full stainless, but the insides of the mufflers aren't. Designed and built in the USA, and has a million mile warranty. All Borla does is make mufflers and exhaust systems, that is their niche, they are the best at it. All this plus the R&D time spent on making a perfect sound justifies the price in my book - which didn't sound that high to me to begin with.
If you are in SoCal or NorCal and want to hear the exhaust let me know. I go to a weekly meet on Tuesdays in Huntington Beach, and another meet at the In-N-Out at El Toro and the I-5 freeway the last Thursday of very month. I travel to NorCal once a month, don't typically drive the TT-RS, but can if some of you would like to hear it in person.
Dual muffler/pipe symmetrical design:
Looks awesome from behind:
Nice video showing a look at exhaust development for the new Mustang GT. They make 3 different systems for the new GT, all with different sound levels. It really shows their ability to tune an exhaust system. I like watching David Borla also, its obvious is a real car guy and really cares about the product with his family name on it. FF video to about 1 min.
When I was at the Borla facility I got to see some of their other awesome systems they make. One that really impressed me was the Ford GT exhaust that Borla makes for Ford Racing. It is an amazing piece of engineering and sounds insane!
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GREAT post Stu. Thanks for the writeup & info.
John - This system does still retain the stock midpipe cats.Originally Posted by JohnLZ7W
I actually have the AWE cat delete pipes on order and will be having them installed in a month or so. So, I'll do my best to get a sound clip up here for you guys after that install as well.
Pic of OE mid-pipes...
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Apologize if I missed it, but what are the pipe dimensions? If I'm going to cobble together a turbo-back, I'd like to anticipate compatibility issues with down- and mid-pipes (e.g., 034).
BTW, I saw the system go up on Borla's site and would have purchased but I would like see some more details...and performance stats--if they exist.
I've run Borla systems on most of my cars (Super Snake and GT-R most recently), and am very excited to see this system come out for the TT RS...just hoping for a little more detail.
hmmmm..... this looks very interesting .... love how tucked in/ symmetry as well as sounding badass...
am i correct in assuming this exhaust is everything back of the cats?
seems to use the same cats as OEM ( they don't look like high flow cats)
wondering if it would mate up with the new APR downpipe for stage II goodness...
2007 GTi Black Magic, APR Stage 2+
2012 TTRS Sepang Blue on Titanium Blades.....
2012 TT-RS in Suzuka Gray
FS: Sachs Performance Pressure Plate and Organic / 4-puck disc set for TT RS
Well, I got the exhaust installed yesterday afternoon. I have one word: IMPRESSIVE!
I've only had about 45 minutes of seat time in the car to enjoy it so far, but I've driven a good mix of roads (backroads, city and highway) to give some good initial impressions.
First off, what I didn't expect: I didn't expect to feel a noticeable gain in power/torque -- but I do. I had to really think about it and feel for it, to make sure that it wasn't just my mind playing with me, thinking it's more powerful because of the increased sound. No, it really did pick up some noticeable power on the ol' butt dyno. It was clearly evident on my ride to work this morning: I rolled on the throttle at around 60 mph in 6th gear (a lazy pass) and there was immediately more power there. It's not Stage I ECU more power, but it's definitely a discernible gain. I really wish I had the time & availability to get the car baseline dynoed before the exhaust install, but it just wasn't possible.
What I did expect: THE SOUND -- It sounds amazing. For quick comparison sake, the car actually sounds a LOT like a Gallardo LP-560 I drove recently -- no joke! This system really brings out that "mini-V10" or "1/2 V10" sound. It's definitely louder than my Sport Exhaust (with flapper mod), but by no means uncivilized. Cruising through my neighborhood, it's louder, but not offensive. But, when you really get on the throttle, it sounds beautiful! At highway speeds there is ZERO drone -- none. I think my Sport Exhaust might have been louder inside the car in this situation.
Lastly, there is definitely some weight saving to be had. As the shop tech was loading my old exhaust into my other car for me, he commented that "that new system is a hell of a lot lighter than this thing!"
If the weather cooperates this weekend, I'm going to get some outside the car videos to share with you all and definitely some in car clips as well. Also, as I get more time in the car, I'll certainly post up more thoughts. One thing is for certain -- I'm going for a drive at lunch time today!
Any questions, feel free to ask.
Thanks for the great write up! Sounds about what I expected. I ordered mine a while ago and can't wait. Borla is also currently offering a good web discount that cuts the price down some more. I just hope they are still on for an early August production schedule.
Having a killer sounding car, motor, exhaust is almost better than listening to the stereo. But you still have to watch the speedo so you don't get in trouble with speeding tickets.