Yeah, I don't see how they can penalize Maldodnado for his move in Spain but not Vettel here. I don't understand why the stewards are taking so long to rule the movie illegal and swap the positions.
great drive alonso.
wished again for schumacher but was not to happen
wished also for kimi
mclaren picked up some speed but as far as the pass on button, either you swap their final positions but i do not see a major time penalty is called for.
not sure why hamilton was in the mix to unlap himself so badly. but it helped alonso out a great deal to keep vettel back.
New Standings in Germany are:
That's my kind of podium.
Also, I know this is just mean, but I love that Hamilton's season is falling apart. He's such a dork he'll probably quit Mclaren and then things will go even worse for him.
This 2nd place will be really good for Jenson's spirits. Hopefully he can pull a win or two more this season even if his championship is over.
I don't know. Hamilton radioing the team to say he wanted to retire after changing his cut tire and rejoining in 22nd place was a bit whiny... It's not like he hasn't charged up through the field before, so you have to wonder if it's the mental game he's losing.
Great race. Alonso is the man. Webber lost a huge chunk of points by finishing so far back and even Vettel lost out due to his penalty. Ham, well he's dropping way back without any points today.
Don't want to jump to conclusions, but it's looking more like Alonso is gonna claim another title
And when the FIA gets on RB for their mapping, it will allow Ferrari to gain distance even more. Perhaps Kimi will make it hard on Alonso before it's over??
Solid racing from start to finish, and a bit of redemption for Lewis to come up and pass the leaders, I'm sure he enjoyed that.
Sucks for Vettel as it could be argued either way with how Jenson went right to the edge in corner exit and even lost the back end a bit as Vettel said he was concerned about, but those are the breaks. It would have been nice for the FIA to simply get on the radio and say "give the position back" rather than slapping a drive thru despite no warning, but I'm sure Vettel will come back.
Alonso is an absolute beast. He literally controlled that race from the get-go, and I don't think either Jenson or Vettel ever had a chance; Alonso always seemed to have something in reserve. Good on him for making such an incredible comeback this year.
Here's a nice Article from Windsor about Alonso's tactics during the race:
What jumped out at me straight away when Vettel was in Alonso's DRS zone and Alonso picked up DRS off of a back marker (so both Vettel and Alonso were using DRS nose to tail), was that Vettel maxed out at 308km/h whereas Alonso peaked at 318km/h. I know the RBR isn't quick in the straights, but damn.
Had to watch the race on the stupid Fox/Speed feed. My god those announcers are terrible. Half the time there's more than one of them talking at once so you can't understand them, they don't notice obvious important things happening on the screen until after the fact, and when they say stupid things they never bother correcting themselves. Not to mention the 347 commercial breaks. It took me barely more than an hour to watch the race including fastforwarding through the commercials.
Hamilton's pass on Vettel was awesome. Not sure what Vettel's problem with that is. Hamilton was obviously faster at that point and he had a good chance of making some passes on the backmarkers that would have been blue flagged. Can't blame him for trying to salvage the race.
Would have been very interesting to see how McLaren would have ended up finishing if Lewis didn't get that puncture. I'm also surprised they didn't bring out the safety car to clear that debris.
Clearly, the McLaren car has seen some significant improvements and I wouldn't be surprised to see both McLarens running near the front in the next few races.
Like I said, it can be seen either way given that they weren't wheel-to-wheel inches apart when Vettel went off given that Vettel preempted Jenson's going "wide". Ironic that if Vettel had held his line and potentially forced an incident that he would have been the one to get off the hook
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Alonso looks strong and if Ferrari keeps up the development on the car he might begin to dominate.
Oh BTW fox SUCKS! Those guys had absolutely no idea what was going on. They sounded like they were in a convalescence home and the nurse forgot to bring their pills.
It's also a rule that you can't force an opponent off the track, which it could be argued is exactly what happened. But it's done, so whatever.
Pretty much every driver out there has had more than their share of "childish" moments, but yea, let's single out Vettel, because everyone needs a whipping boy. It was just as childish of Lewis to want to run back to the motorhome after getting a flat tire and being relegated to the back of the pack even though his car was one of the fastest out there even after the incident.
Anyway, clearly stewarts agree and I'm glad to see Vettel get dropped all the way back to 5th.
One other thing, I find it funny that week after week everyone talks about how awful the Ferrari is and what a god Alonso is for getting it around the track. Maybe it ain't so awful after all?
A pass is made on a single corner of a single lap. Doesn't matter what he did on lap 63, 64, 65, 12, 15, 37.Originally Posted by TBomb
Yup.Originally Posted by Mk1Racer
"There is no moral. It's just a bunch of stuff that happens."
What a race! Damn... so much going on. Well done from Alonso - absolute beast! Did a great job looking after his tires while defending from both Button and Vettel and even put in the second fastest time of the race on lap 66! Ferrari is not as bad as it seemed on hard tires during the beginning of the season. I liked his radio communication - when his race engineer told him that Vettel and Button were catching up fast, he simply said "don't worry" or something like that in Italian.
Ferrari and McL's top speeds are far greater than the Bulls (308/309). Kick ass drives from Kobayashi (14th to 4th), Kimi (10th to 3rd) and Perez (12 to 5th).
and from the sound of it, glad I didn't watch the FOX broadcast. Sky's was beautiful - no commercials is a wonderful thing!
This doesn't guarantee you lose position. They've still got to make the pass.
Otherwise you're allowing drivers to run everyone off track and the only passes happen on the straights?
"There is no moral. It's just a bunch of stuff that happens."
Good race, too bad a puncture at the wrong part of the lap ruins any chance of points in races these days... to catch the pack with the tires these days guarantees you will be destroying your tires quickly, insuring another stop negating any gains. Loved Lewis unlapping himself was entertaining to watch. Seems Vettel and RB are slamming Lewis for doing so in the press.
Lol at Vettel caught fibbing on camera.. when asked by Lauda post race Vettel if he hadn't heard anything about the pass from Button, Vettel said "no" when minutes before the camera caught Button discussing the move with Vettel at length. Was a like a Schumacher flash back for me.
This is a nicely explained write up on when Vettel did get a penalty.. (on a great blog written btw by people who actually race)
The good news here is that the stewards were consistent in their application of the rules.
Smart racecraft would have been to give the position back to Button, and either have another go later in the lap, or settle for the haul of points. I can't imagine that Horner thought they would actually get away with an off-track pass.