@dubsix, Firefox says it can't find the server www.axisofoversteer.com. I'll try it from my phone.
/edit Couldn't get it from my phone either.
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Just watched the race...
I did not know you can use DRS with a back marker in front of you? Ex. Alonso using it in the zone with a lapped car. Clever of Alonso to "time" it that way when the opportunity was there.
Also, had Vettel made the Button pass with ~10 laps remaining, would race control have asked him to move over and let Button regain position? 20 seconds vs a 1 lower position penalty is huge in this case.
I wouldn't have penalized Vettel. But he should have just stuck his nose behind Button and taken him on the last lap.
Button was leading entering the corner so he had every right to use up all the road. Just like Hamilton Vs Maldonaldo.
This is tough to call. This clip has two different views in the first 30 sec and another at the 1min point.
Coming out of the turn they are side by side. Button's rears are loose and he puts two tires off just trying to keep the car in order. IMO Vettel had no choice but to go off.
That's assuming he was under control of his car and put it off on purpose. It's harder to tell if Vettle's off was to avoid Button (which is totally viable) or if he too had to go off just to keep his car in order.
I'd say Vellel was in the right just because I can't find evidence he went off prior to being forced off.
"There is no moral. It's just a bunch of stuff that happens."
You can see here that although Vettel gets his nose/half his car ahead of Button running down to the turn, Button has the inside line around the corner and is again ahead of Vettel. At best, they are even when Vettel decides to go off road and gains an advantage on Button.
1:17-1:25 in the video
In the Rosberg-Hamilton incident, Hamilton seems to rejoin side by side with Rosberg and then they drag to the next corner.
In this case, Vettel was not forced off track. He left the track before the space disappeared. But, if he had kept at least two wheels inside the white line, he and Button would have collided. In my opinion, he should have given the position back and tried again.
The difference between these incidences is the likelihood of causing a collision on track. Vettel knew full well where Button's car was; Button was ahead and inside at the apex. If Vettel wants to stay on the track, he lifts, tucks in, and passes at turn 8 (IIRC.) The Stewards clearly felt that it was his choice to leave the track, rather than the actions of another driver. Hamilton had one choice to avoid taking himself and Rosberg out of the race: go off the track. Likewise, Hamilton re-enters the track alongside Rosberg; Vettel completed the pass outside the track.
I'll take it as telling that I have yet to find anyone who isn't a Vettel fan or a McLaren hater who disagrees with the Stewards decision.
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Rosberg/Hamilton incident happen on a straightway where Rosberg being ahead had the whole track at his disposal, he moved to his right to defend his position by driving into Hamilton. If Hamilton did not have part of his car past the rear of Rosbergs car then he could have easily passed to the left side of Rosberg and avoid his chop motion. <--- that wasn't the case as Rosbergs move to his right caused Hamilton to off-road it. Hamilton returned to track side by side with Rosberg and they had a run down to the next corner.
In the Button/Vettel incident, Button had the inside line going into the turn, his car was ahead. The difference here was that since it was on a turn Button was limited on where he could place his car. He was basically late braking into a hairpin with tires quickly deteriorating. (as has been pointed out). Vettel was driven off the track, but instead of surging ahead like he did, he should have come even with Button after returning to the track and then pass him.
That's my main point in this whole deal, as irrelevant as it is.
Let's just let them run wherever the hell they want, be it paved, gravel or grass. If you can pull it off, give'r hell.
First corner at Spa is another place where people commonly go wide and gain position, but I don't recall there ever being any reprimands for that. The ridiculous inconsistency is what f*cks everything up here. Make no exceptions to crossing the lines or just scrap the rule altogether.
A driver takes a rival to the edge like that he is typically expecting him to back off.