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      07-16-2012 11:56 PM #1
      I have a bentley manual, as far as i know right now it only needs new ball joints and exhaust.

      I'm all about performance on a budget, custom interiors, full stereo builds, and body mods. I'm into fatlace and mad max. My inner grease monkey is a howler and it's making my medulla modblongata go nuts. I can't wait to get elbow deep in this honey. It's already flat black too!

      So... what are some good ideas for a first timer with a VW (15+ years with other makes and models, performance, body, mechanical, LOTS of electrical experience)? Helpful sites for cheap parts, ideas for DIY suspension/body/performance mods?

      any and all info you can afford is graciously accepted!

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      07-17-2012 01:24 AM #2
      Hey there, welcome to the Fox forum! Sounds like you'll fit in very well here. You don't *have* to be crazy... awww, who am I kiddin', yeah you do!

      OK, go thru the FAQ here. And check out Adam's site at
      http://www.lunaticfringe.org/vwfox/vwfox.html

      That'll be a good start! And where are the pics?

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      07-17-2012 01:40 AM #3
      WELCOME TO THE VORTEX toast_king...!!! DAMN !! You're MODIFYING YOUR MANUAL...?!? I only LAMINATED the cover of mine to keep GREASE AT BAY...!!! (sorry; I'm a STICKLER for punctuation...!)

      My $MART A$$ comments aside; PLEASE DO post some pics of your FLAT BLACK WAGON...!!! And subsequently EVERYTHING that you do to your ride...I remember reading a post where IT WAS WRITTEN: "NO PICS...? IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!"

      I would suggest checking out the FAQs....some of the PROJECT FOXES have some AMAZING WORK done on them by their EXTREMELY TALENTED OWNERS (I'm NOT one of them!). I just bought my 3RD WAGON last April; and am ENJOYING the TRIALS and TRIBULATIONS of Near Vintage VW Ownership...

      VW Fox made a GREAT post as to how to go about modifying the FOX:
      file:///C:/Users/Kevin%20Magee/Downloads/Adam's%20Fox%20Tuning%20Guide.htm

      I bought a dual downpipe manifold; and had it relayed to me by A GREAT FRIEND (that I have yet to meet in person; THANX CP!), because I live outside the continental US...otherwise, this would have just remained a picture that I would ADMIRE and COVET....Fox parts are a RARITY UP HERE...!!


      SA-WEEEEEET...!


      One thing I seemed to gather from Adam's Guide....IT STARTS WITH THE EXHAUST...!! The system on my recent acquisition.....RUBBISH....!!! Suffice it to say; $pending MORE on UPGRADE PROJECTS, in MULTIPLE FACTORS of what I paid for the RELIC....OooUUuuu....Could I have JUST FOUND A MONIKER TO BREAK THE "CURSE OF THE WOODROW"...?!? I just MIGHT have....!! (Sorry, I digress; THAT MIGHT make sense to you EVENTUALLY...)

      Once again; WELCOME...!! Get some pics of Your Fox up on the site....Photobucket is a decent Image Hosting site....

      BEST OF SUCCESS...!!!
      KRAMMIT ...STAY TUNED! I KNOW I DO!

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      07-17-2012 01:47 AM #4
      wrong link; same info! just NOT SO tech saavy
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      07-17-2012 09:17 AM #5
      I'll be getting pics up as soon as I pick her up this saturday! Fear not, I will document all the fun I have with her

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      07-17-2012 10:52 AM #6
      also noteworthy, I have a set of 18x7 4x100 +38 rims and tires, how tough would it be to get these to work on the wagon?

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      07-17-2012 11:59 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by toast_king View Post
      also noteworthy, I have a set of 18x7 4x100 +38 rims and tires, how tough would it be to get these to work on the wagon?
      Very tough I think...it's generally excepted that 15s are the biggest that fit without issue, and even then offset is important. IMO Foxes look a little silly with anything bigger anyways
      That said, if you have the will to do it, anything is possible.

      oh, and welcome to the Fox forum!

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      07-17-2012 08:04 PM #8
      does anyone know what the stock exhaust pipe diameter is?

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      07-17-2012 08:04 PM #9
      i wonder how silly it would look with those and slammed down... (genuine thought, not antagonizing)

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      07-18-2012 03:33 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by toast_king View Post
      i wonder how silly it would look with those and slammed down... (genuine thought, not antagonizing)
      depends on your definition of silly...

      I did, however, find a picture of a Fox on what have to be 18's


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      IMO opinion this ^^^^ looks silly...
      and another one on 16's for comparison:

      Then again, I prefer a Fox on 13's which many people think look small. I think they look light.
      I say see if you can make it work if that's your thing.

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      07-18-2012 11:53 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by toast_king View Post
      does anyone know what the stock exhaust pipe diameter is?
      Too fewkin' small. I think it's like 1 7/8" or so, certainly no bigger than 2 1/4" at the most.

      Quote Originally Posted by sippin.fnordies View Post
      Then again, I prefer a Fox on 13's which many people think look small.
      I love my 13" tarantulas on my Foxes, but unfortunately its getting to where you just can't find good 13" tires any more. Almost forced to go to 15s just to get some decent rubber options.

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      07-19-2012 12:34 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by kerensky View Post
      I love my 13" tarantulas on my Foxes, but unfortunately its getting to where you just can't find good 13" tires any more. Almost forced to go to 15s just to get some decent rubber options.
      that is the only reason i have 15's. if I could find a decent set of 205/60-13s I would go back to the 13's in a heartbeat. 195/50-15 however are relatively cheap. stupid modern heavy a** cars and their need for giant brakes

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      07-19-2012 01:34 AM #13
      A slammed Wagon on 18s would look somewhat like this

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      07-20-2012 12:27 AM #14
      lol @ the wagons on 18s. Those are indeed silly! Maybe I'll do it too goof off, for a cruise or a show or something. Would it be too much of a mishmash to put some of the old school style Axis wheels?

      Thanks for the exhaust diameter, I suppose I'll be better off with a tape measure when I see it.

      36 hours until I pick her up!!!!

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      07-24-2012 09:25 PM #15
      well... Here she is! the work of getting her safe and reliable begins now. sigh...

      (note the fancy side exit, temporary exhaust)



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      07-25-2012 12:50 AM #16
      I think I've seen that wagon somewhere before.

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      07-25-2012 03:58 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by kerensky View Post
      I think I've seen that wagon somewhere before.
      it's very possible. it used to live in pittsburgh, and before that it had done several cross country trips

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      07-29-2012 05:04 PM #18
      ok so its been a busy week for Foxy Black!

      So far shes had a good cleaning inside, I couldn't take the dune buggy sound coming from the side pipe so i welded up my old tuner can left over from my last car, she has new rear shock cartridges (thought I ordered the fronts...D'OH!, fronts will be coming shortly), I cannibalized the mold m3 style mirrors off my old car as well and gave them the flat black treatment, wired the radio to turn off with the car finally, and broke a vent trying to get it out to change the dash speakers

      Any advice on how to get the vents out?

      I have more photos of the day I did the exhaust, but my phone is being a real jerk right now .

      so here are some more pics of her!


      Oh and she got some new stickers (about 80hp worth I suppose)


      and mirror day, man what a difference it is with two!


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      07-29-2012 05:31 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by toast_king View Post
      Any advice on how to get the vents out?
      You pop the slats out with needle nose pliers. The outlet rim is held on with a screw. There are locking tabs on the outlet rim. You need two small screwdriver to pry these up, and then pry out the outlet rim. Heater hose is riveted to the outlet rim, take it out with the rim.

      Greg W.
      They have my car when they pry my dead cold fingers from the steering wheel.

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      07-29-2012 06:11 PM #20
      You don't need to remove the slats...simply point the vent upwards...exposing the small Phillips screw in the top of the louvre housing; remove the screw, use the small screwdrivers to release the tabs at the rear of the housing from behind the dash, remove the duct, and withdraw the vent from the dash......keep in mind after being around for so long....parts can become brittle and are sometimes best left in place...be GENTLE....but FIRM....

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      07-29-2012 08:53 PM #22
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      fsm thank you!!!!

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      07-29-2012 09:30 PM #23
      Also, I'm getting a pretty loud valve tick, any ideas on a solution to that one?

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      07-29-2012 09:34 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by toast_king View Post
      Also, I'm getting a pretty loud valve tick, any ideas on a solution to that one?
      That's pretty normal with these cars. Next time you change the oil, switching to 20w-50 with a quality oil filter might help it a bit.

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      07-29-2012 09:52 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by novws View Post
      That's pretty normal with these cars. Next time you change the oil, switching to 20w-50 with a quality oil filter might help it a bit.
      is there any way to adjust the valves? what about changing them, would that solve it?

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      08-20-2012 09:34 AM #26
      Alright, so work has been insane and the progress on the fox is slow. The heater core inlet tube broke off while I was driving in stop and go traffic on a 100 degree day. I bypassed it for the time being. Through entire front suspension other than the springs is basically worthless so I've slowly been working at that. Current suck status is she won't drive. I took it to a buddies shop and had one of his tech's put them in, I think he didn't realign the new ball joints to where the old ones were since the passenger side axle won't stay engaged. I messed with it all weekend to no avail. So does anyone have any tips or tricks to get that ball joint to realign? I can get it within a half inch but no closer

      Also I'm on my phone. Sorry for spelling fails.

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      08-28-2012 10:40 AM #27
      well figured out that when he had the car in the air he didnt support the control arm and the axle yanked out of the inner cv so he just crammed it back in. thing is, it yanked its circlip out of its seat and when he pushed it back in it engaged slightly but was just jamming the clip in there, replaced the whole half shaft and cv assembly for $43 from rockauto (new, not reman) and poof she drives again. also paint work is almost complete. pics in next post.

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      08-28-2012 09:00 PM #28
      Paint progress!!!

      I sanded and cleaned each panel before painting, total paint and supplies cost was $24 and change, so it is what it is. It looks a million times better. I'm going to be adding a signal auto style stripe down each side with either a running fox logo or the actual fox logo painted in near the rear. cant decide if i should reverse it on the passenger side or not. I'm going to price out pints of matte black and matte clear tonight and probably hit it with an actual spray gun in the near future.















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      08-28-2012 09:06 PM #29
      oh i found more pictures of the exhaust too. if you guys want i can get some of the actual system i fabbed up with flaps parts.






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      08-28-2012 09:48 PM #30
      also, while I'm still talking to myself, has anyone done power windows? does any old universal kit work?

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      08-28-2012 11:45 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by toast_king View Post
      also, while I'm still talking to myself, has anyone done power windows? does any old universal kit work?
      Don't know of anyone that has, but there's no reason a standard kit wouldn't work.

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      08-29-2012 09:24 AM #32
      thanks! because of the plans for custom door panels it would really just work better to have power

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      08-29-2012 09:35 AM #33
      stripe is on and i must say, im pretty proud of myself!

      masked


      Done!


      going down the side in 3 steps so you can see how sexy it is:



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      08-29-2012 12:13 PM #34
      i like that a lot!

      are you just using rattlecans?

      nice custom work. I really love a wagon in matte black...I have been considering it for a year now.
      How a VW Fox Wagon sucked me back in...a build thread

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      08-29-2012 09:55 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by redone17 View Post
      i like that a lot!

      are you just using rattlecans?

      nice custom work. I really love a wagon in matte black...I have been considering it for a year now.
      yeah its all rattlecan! 11.5 to be exact. and at $0.97 a can, its the most economical paint job ever!

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