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    Thread: Why don't regular automakers design "supercars"?

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      07-18-2012 07:30 PM #1
      What I mean is, why don't companies like toyota, honda etc design an affordable car that looks like an exotic car but doesn't necessarily perform like an exotic?

      For example design a car that looks like a gallardo or R8 but have an above average engine like a turbocharged 4 or 6 cylinder engine. I'm sure people would buy it just for the looks alone


    2. 07-18-2012 07:32 PM #2
      acura nsx?

    3. 07-18-2012 07:34 PM #3
      Probably the volume consideration. Why make something that would be a pain in the ass to make roadworthy for such a low volume seller, when you can make a billion Camry's and get a higher profit margin.

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      07-18-2012 07:37 PM #5
      I'm sure all the sheetmetal curves cost money which inflates the cars price. The fact it is now a 2-seater or near usless 2+2 further limits the appeal market. Also since this is a cheap car there is limited use of lightweight materials like carbon fiber or aluminum so now all that extra curvy sexy sheetmetal just adds weight. Then factor in the additional cost/work/weight needed to add the new phase of popping hoods for pedestrian safety..... low volume, high cost, little hope for profit.

      So the question becomes for $30,000 do you want a Mustang GT or a Honda CR-Z with a turbo?
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      07-18-2012 07:40 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Aw614 View Post
      acura nsx?
      The NA1s and NA2s performed just fine.

      But I think it's because why would someone ever want to drive a car that just looks fast? *cough* FR-S *cough*

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      07-18-2012 07:42 PM #8
      I think what he's wanting is an economy car that looks like a supercar. The best i can tell you is that certain supercars look that way due to function. low slung hoods and huge asses usually indicate mid-engine layout. Which.. cost a whole lot more to make then a simple fwd layout.

      But i for one would love a modern Opel GT. fast looks with simple performance.



      or even a modern Ferrari Dino

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    9. 07-18-2012 07:42 PM #9
      Sales gotta cover the R&D, seperate assembly lines, and other various high end overhead. I'm sure the companies that have been doing it for years already have a history of working that into their bottom line under their belts. Not to mention in today's global economy for exotics that has got to be a gamble that companies not established in the market can't afford to chance it on. ...imho

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      07-18-2012 07:46 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      But I think it's because why would someone ever want to drive a car that just looks fast? *cough* FR-S *cough*
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      07-18-2012 07:49 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Is your ITR yellow?
      His ITR is a racecar and way better than an FR-S dude.
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    13. 07-18-2012 07:52 PM #13
      stealerships are notorious for bait/switch tactcis/sales practices

      entice u in is the first step

      get a credit check and go in, even if you qualify, there won't be a car in stock in any of their inventory, except more expensive ones

      deals too good to be true, gnerally are

      but its worth a shot if your credit is high enough

    14. 07-18-2012 07:53 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      The NA1s and NA2s performed just fine.

      But I think it's because why would someone ever want to drive a car that just looks fast? *cough* FR-S *cough*
      Well the nsx sort of fits, in that it doesn't perform like an exotic b/c it actually can be used daily without issue

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      07-18-2012 08:00 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      His ITR is a racecar and way better than an FR-S dude.
      I really like the ITR.
      Maybe Scion will release a special FR-S Type R model with all the sound deadening removed and stickey tires for an extra 3 grand.
      Loose 100 lbs add extreme noise and BAM- you have the ITR power to weight.


      And let's be serious here.
      The FR-S and BRZ are cool looking sports coupes, but they don't look like super fast exotic cars unless you have been living under a rock for a few decades.
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    16. 07-18-2012 08:03 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Aw614 View Post
      acura nsx?

      The NSX was pretty fast when it first came out I mean it was competing against cars like the Ferrari 348 which had like what 300hp?
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      Most of these have "exotic' elements about them. But most "exotics" look that way 1) because they are rare -- if they were more common the designs would not remain "fresh;" and 2) because the designs are completely impractical and would not sell in volume, even at low enough prices.
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    18. 07-18-2012 08:07 PM #18
      sorry, aboe was for a differnt thread

      well, most automakers target mainstream market demogrpahics, which tend to be on the conservative side, so it has to have mass appeal in most facets

      exterior looks may get overlooked in comparison to other characeristics

      thats why so many surveys ask what three things you look for in a car, b/c results will vary

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      07-18-2012 08:24 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by deagle View Post
      sorry, aboe was for a differnt thread

      well, most automakers target mainstream market demogrpahics, which tend to be on the conservative side, so it has to have mass appeal in most facets

      exterior looks may get overlooked in comparison to other characeristics

      thats why so many surveys ask what three things you look for in a car, b/c results will vary
      If that was true everyone would be driving around in something that looks like a Ken Block car (graphics only)

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      07-18-2012 08:27 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by DedRok View Post
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      07-18-2012 08:30 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by metagear89 View Post
      Regardless of how cool a car looks- most buyers still want something they are comfortable driving.
      And that means:
      -Seats not too low.
      -Roof not too low.
      -Good visibility. (important considering how most exotics have terrible rearward visbility)
      -Easy to park (Again.. exotics suck at this)
      -Not scraping on every speed bump.

      The 90's to earl 2000's Mustang/Camaro sales showed how the one that offered less exotic performance and looks sold better because it was just easier to use as a daily driver.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Regardless of how cool a car looks- most buyers still want something they are comfortable driving.
      And that means:
      -Seats not too low.
      -Roof not too low.
      -Good visibility. (important considering how most exotics have terrible rearward visbility)
      -Easy to park (Again.. exotics suck at this)
      -Not scraping on every speed bump.

      The 90's to earl 2000's Mustang/Camaro sales showed how the one that offered less exotic performance and looks sold better because it was just easier to use as a daily driver.
      Then why stop making the Pontiac f-body??

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      07-18-2012 09:00 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by iJETTA View Post
      Then why stop making the Pontiac f-body??

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      That's his point. The GM's had a lower, more laid back seating position, less rear seat room, and were grossly harder to parallel park. The SN95/New Edge Mustangs put the driver fairly upright, with great visibility, and had a more useful trunk(the F-bodies had a cavernous trunk with the T-tops on the roof, but the shape was weird). The Mustang sold better because it offered 85% of the exotic looks with almost no usability compromise compared to a less "sporting" coupe.

      Exotic shapes require too many compromises for most people to use day to day. The most recent entry-exotica-esque rides were the MR2/MR-S, and look how they did against the more conventional Miata, Z3 and even the lowly VW Cabrio... The Toyotas weren't necessarily flops, but they did not dominate or define the segment.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Is your ITR yellow?
      Is your RX-8 red?

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      07-18-2012 09:11 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by metagear89 View Post
      What I mean is, why don't companies like toyota, honda etc design an affordable car that looks like an exotic car but doesn't necessarily perform like an exotic?
      I've had thoughts along similar lines about McDonalds. Why don't they have a fine dining version, where you have to be dressed-up to get in and they have a hostess, servers, tablecloths, china, and valet parking, but you still get a Big Mac with fries and Coke?
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      07-18-2012 09:19 PM #29
      At first I was amazed the Corradorks didn't come in here whooping about their cars looking like supercars, then I realized they also think they perform like supercars.

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      07-18-2012 09:22 PM #30
      Likely because the market for cars drive much slower than they look probably isn't all that huge. There's no convenience factor to cars that look great but perform like dog crap when driven every day.

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      07-18-2012 09:23 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      Is your RX-8 red?
      No, it's slow metallic blue.
      But I wasn't the one poking fun at the FRS/BRZ in this thread.
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      I did read it, too many Margaritas man

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      07-18-2012 09:28 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by metagear89 View Post
      What I mean is, why don't companies like toyota, honda etc design an affordable car that looks like an exotic car but doesn't necessarily perform like an exotic?

      For example design a car that looks like a gallardo or R8 but have an above average engine like a turbocharged 4 or 6 cylinder engine. I'm sure people would buy it just for the looks alone
      You mean something like this but from the factory and not a kit? Looks like an exotic and comes with a 4 cylinder.


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      Quote Originally Posted by epbrown View Post
      I've had thoughts along similar lines about McDonalds. Why don't they have a fine dining version, where you have to be dressed-up to get in and they have a hostess, servers, tablecloths, china, and valet parking, but you still get a Big Mac with fries and Coke?
      Or steak and lobster at the normal McDonalds at a drasically reduced price from fine dining and everyone you are with can have the standard burger and fries?

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      Quote Originally Posted by iJETTA View Post
      I did read it, too many Margaritas man

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      In that case, I'm jealous
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