Oh, and Webber and Vettel 1st and 3rd and the end of FP3. We'll see what qualifying brings today.
hamilton gets p1. good job but he is not so much a contender anymore at this stage, more of a distraction for the top three leaders. will get overtaken by grosjean in second.
vettel third. webber way back. who knows what happened there. not helping his championship points.
alonso in sixth. lets hope for a positive result.
there is a 60% chance of rain, so the mclarens will get caught out and fernando will rise to the top.
it seems that redbull are in trouble again. probably instigated again by mclaren.
Red Bull boss Christian Horner insists his team never made illegal changes to its car in parc ferme, despite a fresh controversy erupting over a ride-height adjuster at the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Fresh from the reigning champions being involved in a row over engine maps in Germany last week, it emerged in Hungary that back at the Canadian GP the team was asked by the FIA to change a mechanism that gave it the possibility to alter front suspension settings manually.
Teams are supposed to only use tools to make such adjustments, and the FIA was not happy with the ease by which Red Bull could change its suspension - and therefore alter the ride height. It was asked to modify the system so that tools needed to be used.
The regulations state that teams cannot change suspension settings between qualifying and the race - and in order to ensure compliance tools must be used to make such alternations.
Article 34.5 of the Sporting Regulations states: "In order that the scrutineers may be completely satisfied that no alterations have been made to the suspension systems or aerodynamic configuration of the car (with the exception of the front wing) whilst in post qualifying parc ferme, it must be clear from physical inspection that changes cannot be made without the use of tools."
The benefit of having an easily adjusted suspension setting would be in allowing changes to be made to the car before the race without raising the suspicion of scrutineers - but Horner is adamant that his outfit never exploited that possibility.
"It was something that could either be changed by hand or by tool, but the FIA said they preferred it was a tool that was used," Horner told AUTOSPORT.
"We never changed the ride height in parc ferme or anything like that. It really is a non-issue."
When asked why, if the regulations state that tools must be used, the team had a system that allowed settings to be changed manually, Horner said: "There are a lot of parts that are changed manually on the car, but a tool is used. The suspension has never been changed in parc ferme. Never.
"Basically what was on the car on Canada has been on the car at other races as well, but at no point has it been adjusted in parc ferme. It is question of whether you do it with a tool or manually, and it is done with a tool."
The right-height issue is the latest in a string of technical controversies that Red Bull has been involved in this season ľ with it having to change its floor after Monaco because of holes, refine its wheel hub design in Canada and revise its engine map settings after Germany.
Horner says that the string of issues is simply the end result of his outfit producing another quick car.
"I think it is the consequence of being competitive," he said. "When others are complaining the reason the car is quick, and that is the case here."
Lewis certainly looks fast. Massa right there w/ Alonso. Grosjean outqualifies Kimi again. WTF happened to Webber??? Both Williams to Q3
1 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.794 1:21.060 1:20.953 18 2 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:22.755 1:21.657 1:21.366 26 3 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:22.948 1:21.407 1:21.416 18 4 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.028 1:21.618 1:21.583 22 5 9 Kimi Rńikk÷nen Lotus-Renault 1:22.234 1:21.583 1:21.730 22 6 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:22.095 1:21.598 1:21.844 19 7 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:22.203 1:21.534 1:21.900 19 8 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:22.475 1:21.504 1:21.939 22 9 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1:22.271 1:21.697 1:22.343 24 10 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:22.176 1:21.653 1:22.847 19 11 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:22.829 1:21.715
17 12 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:21.912 1:21.813
15 13 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:22.079 1:21.895
16 14 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:22.110 1:21.895
17 15 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:22.801 1:22.300
17 16 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:22.799 1:22.380
10 17 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:22.436 1:22.723
17 18 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:23.250
8 19 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1:23.576
8 20 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1:24.167
7 21 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1:25.244
9 22 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1:25.476
10 23 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1:25.916
9 24 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:26.178
hamilton did well. i admit i was wrong. i would put it down to the fact it is hard to overtake here. kimi is good at overtaking but could not pull it off. if it was germany he would have been swallowed up.
mclaren are always good at this track. look at their record over the last years. mostly wins.
of course hamilton is in love with his team again before telling them off soon again i am sure
glad for alonso to get points at least but hamilton is still not a title contender anymore this season. he won in canada due to good pitwall strategy call and everyone screamed he is the most amazing driver, then did zero since winning today. it will continue like this for him. up down up down.
after the break i think redbull will be on a charge and everyone will copy them and some will cry cheating (mclaren). i am sure newey is pissed.
schumacher.....what the f u c k
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Worst track ever. Once a car got within ~7-tenths, there was nothing more it could do unless it was -significantly- faster, which when you're dealing with the top-5 or so cars, isn't the case.
Can't wait to get back to a real track.
This really is a horrible track, from a racing standpoint. Yeah, it's got lots of curves and elevation changes, but there's really no opportunity to pass. Was there even one pass for position, on the track, among the top 10 drivers, that didn't involve a pit stop? DRS seemed to be completely useless.
Congrats to LH, he certainly seemed to have the pace. Dicey moment between KR and RG when KR was coming out of the pits. I wonder why MW went for a 3-stop? Were his softs that gone already? It was obvious that you couldn't pass on the track. Did the team figure everyone else was going to have to go for a 3-stop, and that MW would be able to jump them? SV certainly was fast on that last set of softs, but LH got 29 laps out of his mediums, and was able to hold off KR.
But yeah, a boring track to watch.
RB's engine mapping, ride height toolery and random boring track BS, all hot convo/critiques/commentary in the thread...
Yet all in ignorance of a fantastic drive... How many "contenders" or wishlisters did he keep at bay to this win? How many of you alls "contenders" have not benefitted from processional track wins? If its so, then put your rods in Bernice behind and convince him otherwise to get better tracks on the calendar...
Feh! Y'all need to talk about panties, basket weaving or something....
Lewis/Mclaren not a contender?!?!?... LMFAO <---- yep all caps.. Seriously who would write off any of the top 5 right now is crazy. Sure Alonso got a nice lead but bigger leads have been squandered with less races to go. To quote the great Murray Walker "This is racing anything can happen and it usually does!"
Lewis he drove pretty well to fend off Kimi even though this track pretty much sucks for overtaking. But over all, I think Kimi drove better than Lewis today - to come from 5th to within a second of wining the race is pretty effin' amazing. Sure, Lewis had the race in the bag and drove mistake free (which is a great feat in its own way) but it was Kimi's day over all.
There were probably more but I can only remember one pass for position - Alonso on Perez. Other than that, it was a snooze fest.
Felt pretty bad for Button - from fighting with the leaders at the beginning of the race to 6th.
Can't forget Maldonado -
Perez was never close to Alonso when they were on similar tires. Alonso passed Perez after Alonso's pit stop, and before Perez pitted. Not exactly what I'd call a pass for position.
This track sucks for passing, plain and simple. Vettel is lucky that RBR got him out so quickly after his 3rd stop, or he may not have been able to get back around Alonso. Granted, he was much quicker, but there really is no place to pass there. A perfect example of that is that Webber couldn't get around Senna, even though Webber had fresh softs, and Senna was on older mediums. Webber got w/in ~1/2 a second, but there was just no place to pass.
Here is a hint: when the commentators are mostly british, like it or not they are going to have glowing things to say about their compatriots.
Things I saw :
- Mclaren got their $#!t together when it came to the pitstops
- the top 6 teams are pretty much competitive on track
- Vettel is very impatient
- the top 5 drivers still have a chance at the title
There are 9 races left, plenty of points up for grabs to swing it in anyones favor.
I missed watching Quali before the race due to some timing problems but my friend informed me that STR kept Ricciardo in the pits and prevented him from getting another lap in to ensure the Vettel got in the to the next round of quali, can anyone confirm this. Sucks if your race has to be compromised to have a sister teams driver do well. Is it not enough that Webber has to take one for the team STR does as well?