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      07-27-2012 09:33 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by rscshakespeare View Post
      is it true that redbull did not even use the softs (never) during fp1 and fp2? both drivers. that vettel on mediums was just 0.8 off of hamiltons soft pace and feels he can get plenty out. go get them boy!

      kimi needs a win.. this should be a good race to get it.
      They say the difference between both compounds is about half a second.
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      07-28-2012 09:55 AM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by Binary Star View Post



      surprising is the fact that it would the third time they got to race after finding out that their cars didn't comply with the rules (or the way they were intended lol) (Monaco, Canada and Germany)

      but, gotta hand it to Newey & Co. for coming up these master ideas that somehow let them keep their results on the race day.
      What they did was change or clarify the rules after the fact. If the cars were found to be in violation of the rules, as they were written, at the time of the race, you can bet they (as would anyone else) would have stripped of their results and possibly given other sanctions.

      Oh, and Webber and Vettel 1st and 3rd and the end of FP3. We'll see what qualifying brings today.

    3. 07-28-2012 10:12 AM #73
      hamilton gets p1. good job but he is not so much a contender anymore at this stage, more of a distraction for the top three leaders. will get overtaken by grosjean in second.

      vettel third. webber way back. who knows what happened there. not helping his championship points.

      alonso in sixth. lets hope for a positive result.

      there is a 60% chance of rain, so the mclarens will get caught out and fernando will rise to the top.

    4. 07-28-2012 10:19 AM #74
      it seems that redbull are in trouble again. probably instigated again by mclaren.



      Red Bull boss Christian Horner insists his team never made illegal changes to its car in parc ferme, despite a fresh controversy erupting over a ride-height adjuster at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

      Fresh from the reigning champions being involved in a row over engine maps in Germany last week, it emerged in Hungary that back at the Canadian GP the team was asked by the FIA to change a mechanism that gave it the possibility to alter front suspension settings manually.

      Teams are supposed to only use tools to make such adjustments, and the FIA was not happy with the ease by which Red Bull could change its suspension - and therefore alter the ride height. It was asked to modify the system so that tools needed to be used.

      The regulations state that teams cannot change suspension settings between qualifying and the race - and in order to ensure compliance tools must be used to make such alternations.

      Article 34.5 of the Sporting Regulations states: "In order that the scrutineers may be completely satisfied that no alterations have been made to the suspension systems or aerodynamic configuration of the car (with the exception of the front wing) whilst in post qualifying parc ferme, it must be clear from physical inspection that changes cannot be made without the use of tools."

      The benefit of having an easily adjusted suspension setting would be in allowing changes to be made to the car before the race without raising the suspicion of scrutineers - but Horner is adamant that his outfit never exploited that possibility.

      "It was something that could either be changed by hand or by tool, but the FIA said they preferred it was a tool that was used," Horner told AUTOSPORT.

      "We never changed the ride height in parc ferme or anything like that. It really is a non-issue."

      When asked why, if the regulations state that tools must be used, the team had a system that allowed settings to be changed manually, Horner said: "There are a lot of parts that are changed manually on the car, but a tool is used. The suspension has never been changed in parc ferme. Never.

      "Basically what was on the car on Canada has been on the car at other races as well, but at no point has it been adjusted in parc ferme. It is question of whether you do it with a tool or manually, and it is done with a tool."

      The right-height issue is the latest in a string of technical controversies that Red Bull has been involved in this season ľ with it having to change its floor after Monaco because of holes, refine its wheel hub design in Canada and revise its engine map settings after Germany.

      Horner says that the string of issues is simply the end result of his outfit producing another quick car.

      "I think it is the consequence of being competitive," he said. "When others are complaining the reason the car is quick, and that is the case here."

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      07-28-2012 10:21 AM #75
      Lewis certainly looks fast. Massa right there w/ Alonso. Grosjean outqualifies Kimi again. WTF happened to Webber??? Both Williams to Q3


      1 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.794 1:21.060 1:20.953 18
      2 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:22.755 1:21.657 1:21.366 26
      3 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:22.948 1:21.407 1:21.416 18
      4 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.028 1:21.618 1:21.583 22
      5 9 Kimi Rńikk÷nen Lotus-Renault 1:22.234 1:21.583 1:21.730 22
      6 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:22.095 1:21.598 1:21.844 19
      7 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:22.203 1:21.534 1:21.900 19
      8 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:22.475 1:21.504 1:21.939 22
      9 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1:22.271 1:21.697 1:22.343 24
      10 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:22.176 1:21.653 1:22.847 19
      11 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:22.829 1:21.715
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      12 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:21.912 1:21.813
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      07-28-2012 12:56 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by rscshakespeare View Post
      is it true that redbull did not even use the softs (never) during fp1 and fp2? both drivers. that vettel on mediums was just 0.8 off of hamiltons soft pace and feels he can get plenty out. go get them boy!
      It was Hamilton who didn't use the softs in Q1 and Q2. The Red Bulls used theirs. Vettel barley made it to Q2.
      Last edited by Hajduk; 07-28-2012 at 01:00 PM.

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      07-29-2012 08:43 AM #77
      Very happy to see that the cottage I've rented in Maine has Speed so I don't need to miss the race.

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      07-29-2012 09:43 AM #78
      I can't believe that the Speed announcers are calling Romain Grosjean "Ro Gro".

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      07-29-2012 10:15 AM #79
      Kimi racing Romain as he came out of the pit was pretty intense!

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      07-29-2012 10:17 AM #80
      Oh look, Maldonado hit someone. What a surprise.

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      07-29-2012 01:00 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by rscshakespeare View Post
      hamilton gets p1. good job but he is not so much a contender anymore at this stage, more of a distraction for the top three leaders. will get overtaken by grosjean in second.

      vettel third. webber way back. who knows what happened there. not helping his championship points.

      alonso in sixth. lets hope for a positive result.

      there is a 60% chance of rain, so the mclarens will get caught out and fernando will rise to the top.
      what a distraction LH was today
      "Hamilton is catching you; keep your cool"

    12. 07-29-2012 03:30 PM #82
      hamilton did well. i admit i was wrong. i would put it down to the fact it is hard to overtake here. kimi is good at overtaking but could not pull it off. if it was germany he would have been swallowed up.

      mclaren are always good at this track. look at their record over the last years. mostly wins.

      of course hamilton is in love with his team again before telling them off soon again i am sure

      glad for alonso to get points at least but hamilton is still not a title contender anymore this season. he won in canada due to good pitwall strategy call and everyone screamed he is the most amazing driver, then did zero since winning today. it will continue like this for him. up down up down.

      after the break i think redbull will be on a charge and everyone will copy them and some will cry cheating (mclaren). i am sure newey is pissed.

      schumacher.....what the f u c k
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      07-29-2012 03:58 PM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by rscshakespeare View Post
      Of course hamilton is in love with his team again before telling them off soon again i am sure.
      Hamilton is such a weirdo. When he wins he's all like, "My title hopes are alive!" And when he loses he's like, "That's it, I'm screwed." He needs to grow up.

      Alonso is going to take the title.



      Give it up for me! I'm awesome!

    14. 07-29-2012 05:51 PM #84
      agreed ^^^^


      i look forward to lotus introducing its updates for spa. kimi is great at that track. bring one (or more) home for us kimi!!!!!

    15. 07-29-2012 08:19 PM #85
      LOL. Finishing 30 seconds ahead of ones teammate all the while holding off faster cars sounds AWESOME to me. Hi Haterz

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      07-29-2012 08:30 PM #86
      I think it's nice that someone other than Hamilton likes Hamilton.

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      07-29-2012 09:41 PM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by rscshakespeare View Post
      agreed ^^^^


      i look forward to lotus introducing its updates for spa.
      It's their version of the super duct!! Should be awesome on that long straight!!
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    18. 07-29-2012 09:43 PM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
      I think it's nice that someone other than Hamilton likes Hamilton.
      I think his racecraft is awesome. Im not one to past judgement on people whom i've never met; unlike many people around these parts.

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      07-29-2012 11:48 PM #89
      Worst track ever. Once a car got within ~7-tenths, there was nothing more it could do unless it was -significantly- faster, which when you're dealing with the top-5 or so cars, isn't the case.

      Can't wait to get back to a real track.

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      07-30-2012 07:27 AM #90
      The race very nearly put me to sleep. Hungaroring is terrible. But Im happy to see a 2-3 Lotus finish. Kimis first victory of the season will be at Spa...I hope. He rules that track.

      And yeah, my money is on Alonso for the title as well.

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      07-30-2012 08:28 AM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by Gran Turismo View Post
      The race very nearly put me to sleep. Hungaroring is terrible. But Im happy to see a 2-3 Lotus finish. Kimis first victory of the season will be at Spa...I hope. He rules that track.

      And yeah, my money is on Alonso for the title as well.

      This really is a horrible track, from a racing standpoint. Yeah, it's got lots of curves and elevation changes, but there's really no opportunity to pass. Was there even one pass for position, on the track, among the top 10 drivers, that didn't involve a pit stop? DRS seemed to be completely useless.

      Congrats to LH, he certainly seemed to have the pace. Dicey moment between KR and RG when KR was coming out of the pits. I wonder why MW went for a 3-stop? Were his softs that gone already? It was obvious that you couldn't pass on the track. Did the team figure everyone else was going to have to go for a 3-stop, and that MW would be able to jump them? SV certainly was fast on that last set of softs, but LH got 29 laps out of his mediums, and was able to hold off KR.

      But yeah, a boring track to watch.

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      07-30-2012 09:49 AM #92
      Wow, Lewis sure is smug when things are going his way.


    23. 07-30-2012 10:50 AM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by enigmatic enthusiast View Post
      LOL. Finishing 30 seconds ahead of ones teammate all the while holding off faster cars sounds AWESOME to me. Hi Haterz
      I'm falling all on myself with laughter.... These "members" I tell you.....

      RB's engine mapping, ride height toolery and random boring track BS, all hot convo/critiques/commentary in the thread...

      Yet all in ignorance of a fantastic drive... How many "contenders" or wishlisters did he keep at bay to this win? How many of you alls "contenders" have not benefitted from processional track wins? If its so, then put your rods in Bernice behind and convince him otherwise to get better tracks on the calendar...

      Feh! Y'all need to talk about panties, basket weaving or something....

    24. 07-30-2012 11:20 AM #94
      Lewis/Mclaren not a contender?!?!?... LMFAO <---- yep all caps.. Seriously who would write off any of the top 5 right now is crazy. Sure Alonso got a nice lead but bigger leads have been squandered with less races to go. To quote the great Murray Walker "This is racing anything can happen and it usually does!"


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      07-30-2012 11:36 AM #96
      Lewis he drove pretty well to fend off Kimi even though this track pretty much sucks for overtaking. But over all, I think Kimi drove better than Lewis today - to come from 5th to within a second of wining the race is pretty effin' amazing. Sure, Lewis had the race in the bag and drove mistake free (which is a great feat in its own way) but it was Kimi's day over all.

      There were probably more but I can only remember one pass for position - Alonso on Perez. Other than that, it was a snooze fest.

      Felt pretty bad for Button - from fighting with the leaders at the beginning of the race to 6th.

      Can't forget Maldonado -


      Quote Originally Posted by Gran Turismo View Post
      The race very nearly put me to sleep. Hungaroring is terrible. But Im happy to see a 2-3 Lotus finish. Kimis first victory of the season will be at Spa...I hope. He rules that track.

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      07-30-2012 11:57 AM #97
      Quote Originally Posted by Mk1Racer View Post
      This really is a horrible track, from a racing standpoint. Yeah, it's got lots of curves and elevation changes, but there's really no opportunity to pass. Was there even one pass for position, on the track, among the top 10 drivers, that didn't involve a pit stop? DRS seemed to be completely useless.
      THIS!

      Boring track plus horrible Speed comentators...recipe for nap time.

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      07-30-2012 12:25 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by 24vEngineer View Post
      THIS!

      Boring track plus horrible Speed comentators...recipe for nap time.
      The Sky commentators hardly set the world alight with excitement, so you're not missing much. It seemed like all they had to say was how tremendous Lewis was and then sounding like a bunch of gossipy teenage girls in between, as per the usual. They're awful, even more so in a race like this.

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      07-30-2012 12:39 PM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by 24vEngineer View Post
      THIS!

      Boring track plus horrible Speed comentators...recipe for nap time.
      Yeah, that would really have sucked. Fortunately, I watched the SKY feed.

      Perez was never close to Alonso when they were on similar tires. Alonso passed Perez after Alonso's pit stop, and before Perez pitted. Not exactly what I'd call a pass for position.

      This track sucks for passing, plain and simple. Vettel is lucky that RBR got him out so quickly after his 3rd stop, or he may not have been able to get back around Alonso. Granted, he was much quicker, but there really is no place to pass there. A perfect example of that is that Webber couldn't get around Senna, even though Webber had fresh softs, and Senna was on older mediums. Webber got w/in ~1/2 a second, but there was just no place to pass.

    29. 07-30-2012 12:53 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      The Sky commentators hardly set the world alight with excitement, so you're not missing much. It seemed like all they had to say was how tremendous Lewis was and then sounding like a bunch of gossipy teenage girls in between, as per the usual. They're awful, even more so in a race like this.

      Here is a hint: when the commentators are mostly british, like it or not they are going to have glowing things to say about their compatriots.

      Things I saw :
      1. Mclaren got their $#!t together when it came to the pitstops
      2. the top 6 teams are pretty much competitive on track
      3. Vettel is very impatient
      4. the top 5 drivers still have a chance at the title

      There are 9 races left, plenty of points up for grabs to swing it in anyones favor.

    30. 07-30-2012 12:56 PM #101
      My dvr shat the bed this weekend. I d/l'd the Sky Quali and it was so boring! It sounded like a horse race being called, but with the addition of a woman.

    31. 07-30-2012 01:01 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by gizmopop View Post
      Here is a hint: when the commentators are mostly british, like it or not they are going to have glowing things to say about their compatriots.

      Things I saw :
      1. Mclaren got their $#!t together when it came to the pitstops
      2. the top 6 teams are pretty much competitive on track
      3. Vettel is very impatient
      4. the top 5 drivers still have a chance at the title

      There are 9 races left, plenty of points up for grabs to swing it in anyones favor.

      Yes on most of your points... but Mclaren did one sloppy stop for Lewis and "edit" forgot to mention Mclaren's pit stop calls for Button ruined his race.
      Last edited by dubsix; 07-30-2012 at 01:10 PM.

    32. 07-30-2012 01:06 PM #103
      I missed watching Quali before the race due to some timing problems but my friend informed me that STR kept Ricciardo in the pits and prevented him from getting another lap in to ensure the Vettel got in the to the next round of quali, can anyone confirm this. Sucks if your race has to be compromised to have a sister teams driver do well. Is it not enough that Webber has to take one for the team STR does as well?

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      07-30-2012 01:24 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by gizmopop View Post
      Here is a hint: when the commentators are mostly british, like it or not they are going to have glowing things to say about their compatriots.
      I realize this, but that doesn't excuse the amount of drivel they spew.

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      07-30-2012 01:25 PM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by Mk1Racer View Post
      Perez was never close to Alonso when they were on similar tires. Alonso passed Perez after Alonso's pit stop, and before Perez pitted. Not exactly what I'd call a pass for position.
      Yes but it was still a pass for position, on track and not in DRS zone. But I agree with you, this track sucks for passing and makes for a boring race!

      Quote Originally Posted by dubsix View Post
      I missed watching Quali before the race due to some timing problems but my friend informed me that STR kept Ricciardo in the pits and prevented him from getting another lap in to ensure the Vettel got in the to the next round of quali, can anyone confirm this. Sucks if your race has to be compromised to have a sister teams driver do well. Is it not enough that Webber has to take one for the team STR does as well?
      Yeah that's ****ty but doesn't surprise me... Marko was probably on the radio right away to STR pits.

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