Official FORMULA 1 ENI MAGYAR NAGYDÍJ 2012 Hungary

[capsaicin]

Yeah that's ****ty but doesn't surprise me... Marko was probably on the radio right away to STR pits.

Don't bump me, Bro!

All in all boring race-wise, but I like how the the podium this race evened it out some more

1,2 in the championship finishing 5,8
4,5,8 finishing 2,1,3

[Mk1Racer]

Yes but it was still a pass for position, on track and not in DRS zone. But I agree with you, this track sucks for passing and makes for a boring race!

Yeah, ok. Alonso really had to work for that position.

[dubsix]

Perez knows better then to f' with a guy who can veto wether or not he gets a drive in Ferrari

[Gran Turismo]

Can't forget Maldonado -

Maldonados continued ass-clownery actually sorta amused me this time around . But good on Bruno Senna for getting 7th (and beating out his teammate who out-qualified him). Looks like Spain was just a fluke after all...

I also dont think I have seen Vettel so whiny and immature until this season. That exchange between him and his engineer had me facepalm. His pissy expression post-race in the interview pool had me lol-ing.

[capsaicin]

Maldonados continued ass-clownery actually sorta amused me this time around . But good on Bruno Senna for getting 7th (and beating out his teammate who out-qualified him). Looks like Spain was just a fluke after all...

There's no one to run into when you're racing from pole
His incident this week didn't send anyone to the pits at least.

[kfzmeister]

Lewis he drove pretty well to fend off Kimi even though this track pretty much sucks for overtaking. But over all, I think Kimi drove better than Lewis today - to come from 5th to within a second of wining the race is pretty effin' amazing. Sure, Lewis had the race in the bag and drove mistake free (which is a great feat in its own way) but it was Kimi's day over all.

^This. Completely agree. Definitely not "dominant" on Hamilton's part! Good drive, though.
According to F1 authority James Allen, the vote's not even close:
Who-was-your-driver-of-the-day/

[nickthaskater]

I also dont think I have seen Vettel so whiny and immature until this season. That exchange between him and his engineer had me facepalm. His pissy expression post-race in the interview pool had me lol-ing.

What was so pissy and immature about his exchange with his engineer? He did what most any other driver would do/has done and told his team that it wasn't going to happen on-track, so they needed to come up with something strategy-wise instead if they were to gain any ground.

Seriously, you have some selective hearing/reading if you think that behaviour was unusual, rude or immature.

[capsaicin]

^This. Completely agree. Definitely not "dominant" on Hamilton's part! Good drive, though.
According to F1 authority James Allen, the vote's not even close:
Who-was-your-driver-of-the-day/

Kimi's had a few races where he's been able to charge through the front of the pack and shown serious speed. If he could only qualify better he could easily put away a win.

I'll give Hamilton props for this race. I didn't think he'd be able to hold Kimi off with older tires and his nature to go through rubber. He's better in that regard than he was a year or two ago.

[Binary Star]

Yeah, ok. Alonso really had to work for that position.

Must've missed the part where Perez pulled over. Look, I'm not arguing with you about whether that pass was spectacular, we all know it wasn't. All I said was, that was probably the only pass I can remember through out the race, that's it. Or in other words, race was dull.

[nickthaskater]

Kimi's had a few races where he's been able to charge through the front of the pack and shown serious speed. If he could only qualify better he could easily put away a win.

I'll give Hamilton props for this race. I didn't think he'd be able to hold Kimi off with older tires and his nature to go through rubber. He's better in that regard than he was a year or two ago.

Basically all Lewis had to do was not run off the racing line and it was a done deal. Look at how horribly Jenson was held up by the Williams (?), or how Vettel was held up by Button for that matter. Unless there was a significant difference in speed, passes among the front runners just weren't happening/possible after the first 2 laps.

[capsaicin]

Basically all Lewis had to do was not run off the racing line and it was a done deal. Look at how horribly Jenson was held up by the Williams (?), or how Vettel was held up by Button for that matter. Unless there was a significant difference in speed, passes among the front runners just weren't happening/possible after the first 2 laps.

Jenson was keeping it close to Senna and couldn't get around. Yes, because the layout sucks pretty bad. Kimi was having trouble getting close enough to Hamilton to even think about making a pass.

edit: Kimi never got closer than .8 sec behind and had trouble keeping within the 1sec DRS zone.

[nickthaskater]

Jenson was keeping it close to Senna and couldn't get around. Yes, because the layout sucks pretty bad. Kimi was having trouble getting close enough to Hamilton to even think about making a pass.

Kimi was within half a second or so a number of times before backing off again. There was just nowhere at all to make the pass with cars that closely matched when running in the dirty air. It was like once a car got within .5 - .7 seconds of the car ahead, it hit a wall and couldn't get any closer.

[Kidstar]

Kimi was within half a second or so a number of times before backing off again. There was just nowhere at all to make the pass with cars that closely matched when running in the dirty air. It was like once a car got within .5 - .7 seconds of the car ahead, it hit a wall and couldn't get any closer.

Dirty air? DRS anyone?

If you get that close, find a way pass....

[capsaicin]

Kimi was within half a second or so a number of times before backing off again. There was just nowhere at all to make the pass with cars that closely matched when running in the dirty air. It was like once a car got within .5 - .7 seconds of the car ahead, it hit a wall and couldn't get any closer.

Kimi never got closer than .8 sec according to the lap charts here
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/07/2...rix-lap-chart/

Now this is the timing at the start/finish so he could have been closer elsewhere in the field. Regardless, if he was consistently almost a second behind he didn't have many or any chances to even try a pass.

[nickthaskater]

Kimi never got closer than .8 sec according to the lap charts here
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/07/2...rix-lap-chart/

Now this is the timing at the start/finish so he could have been closer elsewhere in the field. Regardless, if he was consistently almost a second behind he didn't have many or any chances to even try a pass.

He definitely closed in at other sectors of the track, but that illustrates the point just the same; the fact that he was consistently so close shows he was just as quick if not quicker than Lewis, but there was absolutely no way to pass the McLaren. The DRS zone was too short and rendered it essentially useless, compounded by the fact that the run up to the DRS zone was a series of 180 degree corners which, when you're running in dirty air, is just going to drop you back even further. It didn't help that the final sector is where the McLaren was strongest, either.

[gizmopop]

Dirty air? DRS anyone?

If you get that close, find a way pass....

It's not just dirty air, they showed the mph/DRS/KERS graphic up a few times, and when Kimi was using his DRS, Hamilton countered with the KERS. I am pretty sure other drivers were doing the same.

[nickthaskater]

It's not just dirty air, they showed the mph/DRS/KERS graphic up a few times, and when Kimi was using his DRS, Hamilton countered with the KERS. I am pretty sure other drivers were doing the same.

Yup, and through the "infield" sections, Kimi's use of KERS was negated by the wash he had to deal with in being so close to the McLaren, so Lewis didn't really have to use any himself to defend there. The graphics consistently illustrated the lead car hitting the DRS straight with a huge amount of KERS while the following car was almost always at less than 50% charge going into the same area.

Basically you end up with a dead heat given there is no other place to pass, and that's exactly what we saw time and time again.

[dubsix]

because Hungary.

[kfzmeister]

Dirty air? DRS anyone?

If you get that close, find a way pass....

Seemed to me that the straight was too short. I think i remember Kobes passing a car there once during the race. Pretty ineffective...

[Mk1Racer]

Maldonados continued ass-clownery actually sorta amused me this time around . But good on Bruno Senna for getting 7th (and beating out his teammate who out-qualified him). Looks like Spain was just a fluke after all...

I also dont think I have seen Vettel so whiny and immature until this season. That exchange between him and his engineer had me facepalm. His pissy expression post-race in the interview pool had me lol-ing.

Would that be more or less pissy than Hamilton telling his team that he should retire 10 laps into the race in Germany?

Must've missed the part where Perez pulled over. Look, I'm not arguing with you about whether that pass was spectacular, we all know it wasn't. All I said was, that was probably the only pass I can remember through out the race, that's it. Or in other words, race was dull.

So why even bring it up? You're going to hold that up as a 'pass for position'? The track sucks, there is no place to pass for closely matched cars, every one knows that. Yeah, a guy that pitted for fresh tires, and came out behind a guy that ran his tires longer, was able to pass him. Yes, technically a 'pass for position' on track, but really, you thought enough of it to mention it?

[nickthaskater]

Would that be more or less pissy than Hamilton telling his team that he should retire 10 laps into the race in Germany?

lol, exactly. Alonso has behaved the same on MANY occasions...



Webber after Fuji in '07 when Vettel collected him...



Hamilton telling his team to "stop talking to me while I'm racing"...



Coulthard flipping off Schumacher...



And on and on it goes, lol.

[Binary Star]

Yes, technically a 'pass for position' on track, but really, you thought enough of it to mention it?

Yes... I thought of it, I mentioned it. You can move on.